Top 25 rankings

[Josh Bowerman]

(cue music from 'Psycho')

I'm telling you both, it's the pigeons...   8)

[Just Bill]

(cue music from 'Psycho')

I'm telling you both, it's the pigeons...   8)

Wouldn't music from "The Birds" be more appropriate?

[kickerdad]

Will someone please tell the new kid on the boards (Me) what a Karma
is and where do the numbers come from or go to.

[CardinalAlum]

Will someone please tell the new kid on the boards (Me) what a Karma
is and where do the numbers come from or go to.

Frequently Asked Question 34. What is karma?
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[Josh Bowerman]

(cue music from 'Psycho')

I'm telling you both, it's the pigeons...   8)

Wouldn't music from "The Birds" be more appropriate?

Probably, but I liked the 'Psycho' music better.  Screech, screeech, screech, screech....

[Eh-You]

Pat I've got good news and bad news buddy! Good news - I had a little back and forth with Kid, Llama, Josh, Ron and the gang over at the South Region poll for a few days and we're boys now - so I think there's hope for me and you Bad news - I'm afraid you might like the kiss and make up process too much!

[Ralph Turner]

Ralphy boy, pal of mine---

You KNOW I wasn't referring to D-3 Football.com, the MECCA of the D-3 World.

I'm all over the D-3 Top 25 when it breaks.

I'm all over the Fan Poll for the South.

But, my inquiry was about the workings of the NCAA Regional Rankings, that little Official Poll thing.

        8)  The following posts were very clever!  Thanks to all for making me smile!

Bob,  Good luck to the Generals!

[Bob.Gregg]

polls are posted:

http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii

[PA_wesleyfan]

(cue music from 'Psycho')

I'm telling you both, it's the pigeons...   8)

  Josh if the pigeons theory is true, if the wind is blowing the wrong direction the votes get there late and you get the stink to boot... Ooooops my bad the that smell wasn't from the pigeons. It was pe-you opps I mean eh-you

[BDTartan]

Here's a good one that we have tossed around on the UAA board.  Why is Whitworth ranked in the top 10 and CMU hasn't cracked the top 25 yet??  Let's take a look at the schedules and other things concerning 2006.

Whitworth
@ Redlands (3-4)  W 28-3
Vs. La Verne (2-5) W 37-16
@ UW-Stout (3-5) W 14-13 2 OT
Vs. Azusa Pacific (2-6) W 17-14
@ Pacific Lutheran (3-5) W 19-7
Vs. Lewis and Clark (0-7) W 70-3
@ Menlo (3-5) W 26-7
Vs. Williamette W 28-14
@ #15 Linfield (5-2)
Vs. Puget Sound (6-2)

Opponents W/L record= 28-47

CMU
@ Hiram (0-8) W 27-6
@ Grove City (1-7) W 28-0
Vs. Westminster PA. (2-6) W 33-6
Vs. Franklin & Marshall (3-5) W 34-14
Vs. Colorado College (3-5) W 50-26
@ Case Western Reserve (4-4) W 20-10
Vs. Chicago (2-5) W 27-0
@ Washington U (5-4) W 10-7 OT
Vs. Bethany (4-4)
@ Thiel (4-4)

Opponents W/L record= 28-52

CMU has a higher QOWI by .857.  Both teams have played 6 teams in the bottom half of QOWI.  So far out of the opponents each team has played  CMU's opponents avg. QOWI is 6.795 and Whitworth's opponents avg. QOWI is 6.457.  Plus, Whitworth only beat a 2-6 Azusa Pacific team 17-14 and the game was in Spokane.  I understand that Azusa played UWW and UW-LaCrosse the two previous weeks, but other than those three straight games it looks to me like Azusa plays a pretty weak NAIA schedule.

I would appreciate any feedback.  I'm not trying to rip the polls, its just something that I found interesting.

[pineconefan]

BDT -

I am pretty sure it comes down to the voters knowing there is a definite difference in quality between a 3-5 Stout team and a 3-5 Colorado College team.  Same could be said for PLU vs. CW Reserve and several of the other teams on the lists.

Going into the Whitworth game, Azusa had losses to San Diego (top team in I-AA mid majors - whatever that means), Whitewater and LAX.  Once Azusa got past Whitworth, they went down to a third string QB and things really went into the tank.

[Pat Coleman]

I think we've already discussed this. And pineconefan nailed it on the head: Not all 3-5's are created the same. Not sure I buy into PLU but I definitely do buy into UW-Stout.

[PA_wesleyfan]

It's harder to get into the top 25 than to lose your way out....

[BDTartan]

So what?  All I've ever seen as far as the knock on CMU is their schedule and their opponents W/L record.  If you go by the numbers(and my numbers aren't lies) then there shouldn't be that huge of a disparity between the two teams.  I'm not saying CMU should be ranked in the top 10, but does Whitworth deserve to be there?  I am sure there are teams that are 10-20 in the polls that are much better than Whitworth.  In fact, we will se when Whitworth and Linfield match-up.

[ADL70]

As I said over on the UAA Board, Whitworth played Linfield close the last two years and I understand they returned a great QB and most of their D.  And UAA teams lost all of their games this year against top level teams (and they weren't close).  Whitworth started the year ahead of CMU by a good bit and they've stayed there.

And there's nothing magic about the number 25, in fact it's almost the equivalent of a Top 10 DI (BD)

A good finish will mean CMU will start higher next pre-season.