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[pg04]

Did you know that Springfield returns 99.09% of thier offense?  This is a team that finished 10th in the d3football poll.  The question mark will be the defesne only returning 56% (+/- a few %, I kept track of the core defensive players.)  They do return 5 of top 10 defensive players.  They return a guy that had 10INT's last year.

Did you know that Springfield is only good on turf and not on grass?

Gotta know the teams. Can't just number everything.

Ok but the team finished 10-2 last year.  One turf loss and one grass loss.  The 10 scheduled games this year 9 are on turf, and one is at Brockport St on grass.  At this point I am not sure if they will win or lose at Brockport St. I don't know what they have coming back from a 4-6 team. 

So Springfield plays well on turf.

There could be a team that plays perfect on Saturday with the wind blowing 5mph from the east on a overcast day when there are 1200+ fans and they run out of hot dogs with 5:36 left in the 4QTR.  I am taking that team if they are returning nearly 100% of thier offense and 56% of the defense that finished in the d3football poll top 10.  No matter how they play where.

We will just have to wait and see what the pollster's say.  My gut tells me they will be in the top 10.

The last time Brockport played them on grass they either got 3 or zero points.  I can't remember...I know that was a while ago but the grass and bad (unplayable?) conditions will stifle them. 

['gro]

Did you know that Springfield is only good on turf and not on grass?

Gotta know the teams. Can't just number everything.

Is that Colman sarcasm or do you really believe that? Will the "this team plays better on turf" argument please end.  It's one thing to compare turf to a beat up grass field, but a good grass field and turf field are pretty much the same.

Either way, you could be playing on a sheet of ice and it wouldn't matter since both teams are equally affected by the playing surface.

Grass vs. Turf: personal pet peeve of mine since 1997.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Did you know that Springfield is only good on turf and not on grass?

Gotta know the teams. Can't just number everything.

Is that Colman sarcasm or do you really believe that? Will the "this team plays better on turf" argument please end.  It's one thing to compare turf to a beat up grass field, but a good grass field and turf field are pretty much the same.

Either way, you could be playing on a sheet of ice and it wouldn't matter since both teams are equally affected by the playing surface.

Grass vs. Turf: personal pet peeve of mine since 1997.

But that is just not true.  Look at tennis for a clear comparison - some players are unbeatable at Wimbledon but hopeless at the French Open; others just the reverse.  Both players are on the same surface, but clearly not equally affected.

Whether it be what surface a team is more used to, different styles of play, or simply individual idiosyncracies, while both teams are on the same surface, it is highly unlikely that they are equally affected.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Did you know that Springfield is only good on turf and not on grass?

Gotta know the teams. Can't just number everything.

Is that Colman sarcasm or do you really believe that? Will the "this team plays better on turf" argument please end.  It's one thing to compare turf to a beat up grass field, but a good grass field and turf field are pretty much the same.

Either way, you could be playing on a sheet of ice and it wouldn't matter since both teams are equally affected by the playing surface.

Grass vs. Turf: personal pet peeve of mine since 1997.

Thank you 'gro.  I say, they are football players and should be able to play anywhere even if it is the surface of the sun.

I want to apologize to you Pat, if your statement was sarcasm then disregard the post that followed.  If it truly is your argument then you know where I stand on that issue.

[frank uible]

Option offenses were highly successful long before there was artificial turf.

[Pat Coleman]

Did you know that Springfield is only good on turf and not on grass?

Gotta know the teams. Can't just number everything.

Is that Colman sarcasm or do you really believe that? Will the "this team plays better on turf" argument please end.  It's one thing to compare turf to a beat up grass field, but a good grass field and turf field are pretty much the same.

Either way, you could be playing on a sheet of ice and it wouldn't matter since both teams are equally affected by the playing surface.

Grass vs. Turf: personal pet peeve of mine since 1997.

Dude, have you seen Springfield play?

[Pat Coleman]

Option offenses were highly successful long before there was artificial turf.

No doubt. But back then, everyone was playing on dirt and grass, right?

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Mr. Ypsi-

Ok.  I can see your point, but I think you are comaparing apples to oranges.  (More like oranges to Orange Juice)

Tennis players play better on a particular surface because of the way the ball hits that surface.

They play better or worse because of their foot speed on that surface.

Does a RB carry a ball different on grass compared to turf? Probably not.  Speed is equalized not matter what surface you play on.   Both teams are "faster" on turf, both teams "slower" on grass.

Frank Uible-

Agreed.


Anyone else-
What about a passing team?  A team that passes 50-60 times a game.  I don't think it really matters what surface they play on.

[Pat Coleman]

Does a RB carry a ball different on grass compared to turf? Probably not.  Speed is equalized not matter what surface you play on.   Both teams are "faster" on turf, both teams "slower" on grass.

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Anyone else-
What about a passing team?  A team that passes 50-60 times a game.  I don't think it really matters what surface they play on.

Then I suspect that a team that runs the ball 50-60 times a game is more affected by the surface than a team that passes the ball 50-60 times a game, by your own admission here.

['gro]

tennis is about timing, and projecting where the incoming ball is going to be and where you need to be to hit it back. Playing on 3 different surfaces, switching back and forth, I can see how one would become better on grass than say clay.

Like I said in football there isn't that much difference between a good grass field and turf. You play on turf, you slip less, your first step doesn't tear up a clump of grass.... you "feel faster". Are you faster? sure, your 40 time would be quicker on turf than grass, but so are the other 21 guys on the field. It's all relative.

The field doesn't physically change anything in football. If a player puts himself at a mental disadvantage that's his fault.

[Jonny Utah]

Id put Rowan ahead of springfield.

And there is no grass in the world like the turf at Springfield.  When the qb makes that first fake and goes full speed towards the sideline, he knows he isnt stopping.  The defense has to make a decision, then go at full speed.  So the turf does give the offensive team the advantage.  The QB on grass has to stop in order to make that pitch or handoff and I belive it gives him a great advantage on that turf, especially Sharpe.

 And they are good, but every year they lose a game or two because that offense they run will cause them fumbles that will lose them a game.  Its been the same thing there for the last 25 years. (and yes Ive played them and seen them about 10 times.)

Plus they wont be suprising anyone this year either.  Im sure E8 teams has every single SC offensive game last year with breakdowns, percentages etc....

Im not saying they wont be a great team, but they arent the 5th best team in the country.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Does a RB carry a ball different on grass compared to turf? Probably not.  Speed is equalized not matter what surface you play on.   Both teams are "faster" on turf, both teams "slower" on grass.

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Anyone else-
What about a passing team?  A team that passes 50-60 times a game.  I don't think it really matters what surface they play on.

Then I suspect that a team that runs the ball 50-60 times a game is more affected by the surface than a team that passes the ball 50-60 times a game, by your own admission here.

I didn't say that.  Where did I say a team that runs 50-60 times a game is affected by the playing surface? Both teams are equally affected is what I said. 

If a team that beats, lets say Springfield on grass then that team should be quite capable on beating them on turf.  The playing surface doesn't matter.  Teams have bad games.  Even Mount Union loses once in a while. I am sure it doesn't matter what playing surface it is when they lose.

[Pat Coleman]

If you'd seen Springfield play you'd know that comparing them is ridiculous based on their style of play.

['gro]

Did you know that Springfield is only good on turf and not on grass?

Gotta know the teams. Can't just number everything.

Is that Colman sarcasm or do you really believe that? Will the "this team plays better on turf" argument please end.  It's one thing to compare turf to a beat up grass field, but a good grass field and turf field are pretty much the same.

Either way, you could be playing on a sheet of ice and it wouldn't matter since both teams are equally affected by the playing surface.

Grass vs. Turf: personal pet peeve of mine since 1997.

Dude, have you seen Springfield play?

yeah I saw the IC/SC telecast (at a sloppy Ithaca field) and Springfield looked horrible.  but you can't blame the field.  Every time a SC running back slips, sooner or later a ithaca defender is going to slip and miss a tackle.

my argument is only about the field (or weather for that matter) physically affecting one team more than another.  Mental attitude, preparedness, sure you can have that, but that is just bad coaching.

sorry, this is a pet peeve I will take to the grave!!

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Id put Rowan ahead of springfield.

Plus they wont be suprising anyone this year either.  Im sure E8 teams has every single SC offensive game last year with breakdowns, percentages etc....

Im not saying they wont be a great team, but they arent the 5th best team in the country.

Then again I am sure Springfield is doing the same thing with the rest of the E8 teams.