Top 25 rankings

Ralph Turner · July 31, 2007, 01:36:53 AM

Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 30, 2007, 11:18:50 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on July 30, 2007, 11:02:53 PM

I agree with you about CMU in relation to Trinity. I thought it might be good to keep the Tigers on the radar. Only thing I can really think of is they got a pretty well-hyped transfer at QB(?) that might give some optimism for Trinity.

For some odd reason they play at Millsaps again.

SCAC had to rejigger the schedule because they went from six to eight league games thanks to the addition of Birmingham-Southern and Colorado College. So everyone has to end up with four home and away games instead of three and it just worked out that Trinity got the short end of that stick.

Please remember that Trinity got the long end of the stick with four SCAC home games, including DePauw, in 2006 to make up for the Hurricane Rita cancellation in 2005.

That same weekend, UMHB could not get a bus to go to Pineville, LA to play Louisiana College.

K-Mack · July 31, 2007, 02:28:35 AM

Also mentioned that too Ralph, about Trinity-DePauw

Mr. Ypsi · September 10, 2007, 01:02:58 AM

This thread had gotten buried to page two; thought it was time to resurrect it.

I really enjoy David Collinge's column analyzing (historically) the top 25 for basketball - any chance someone will do that for football (or have I somehow overlooked it)?

The OAC has four teams in the top 14 this week - if that isn't a record, it must be mighty close! With JCU receiving votes, the OAC joins the WIAC (2 of the top 6, plus 3 receiving votes) and the CCIW (2 of the top 13, plus 3 receiving votes) as the most widely respected conferences (hope I didn't miss anyone - apologies if I did); has any conference ever had six (or more?) teams simultaneously receiving votes? And, as conference teams begin knocking each other off, has a conference ever had five (or more) teams receiving votes by the end of the season (regular or playoff)?

If no one already has (or wants to collect) the answers, I'll attempt them later this week, but I don't have the database-management skills to pull a DC!

K-Mack · September 10, 2007, 02:02:52 AM

Yeah, you really have to enter the top 25s into a database as they're posted or go back and do research by hand.

I don't know of any specific plans to do top 25 historical analysis, but I know it gets touched on in ATN from time to time, if not ATR.

That's about the best I can do for you.

I often wonder the same thing about one conference having multiple ranked teams. Especially when there's 26-27 conferences and 25 spots in a top 25.

Best example I can think of of several teams being voted on (if not ranked) simultaneously would be Ithaca, Springfield, Alfred and SJF of the Empire 8, as well as the confences you already mentioned, the OAC and WIAC. I think I've voted for four teams from the same conference before.

The NJAC could press for those honors this year if things progress the right way.

But later in the year, plenty of teams from plenty of conferences will be receiving votes, at least a handful. Not terribly sure how significant that is.

Pat Coleman · September 10, 2007, 09:38:18 AM

We do have all of the football Top 25s in the database, for what it's worth, unlike basketball where many polls predate the database.

Just Bill · September 10, 2007, 10:06:08 AM

I know the WIAC has had 4 Top 25 teams at the same time before. I went back and found this poll (2004, Week 10) as an example. I believe the WIAC has done this multiple times.

Actually, here is a poll with four WIAC teams in the Top 25 and SEVEN of the eight WIAC teams receiving votes.

And further superlatives, this poll has FIVE WIAC teams in the Top 25.

The more amazing fact, to me, is that the WIAC has had every conference member receive votes at some point in the poll's history. I know 7 of the 8 for sure, but I'm going to double check River Falls. I don't think there's another conference who can claim that.

Pat Coleman · September 10, 2007, 10:40:27 AM

UW-River Falls has never received a vote in our poll, no.

Just Bill · September 10, 2007, 11:00:12 AM

Thanks, Pat. That was a lot easier than me checking every poll. So, 7 of 8 for the WIAC have received votes. Can any other league top that?

reality check · September 10, 2007, 12:00:36 PM

The OAC has had 6 teams receive votes in the d3football.com poll for sure and I think OTT and WILMA were at least in the "receiving votes" category at some point during the poll's existence but the archive doesn't go back to the seasons I am thinking of for Wilma (2000).

smedindy · September 10, 2007, 12:32:03 PM

Question - did Wabash not rise in the rankings (and actually lost votes) because of Huff's injury? Was that on the voters mind?

Not that I'm complaining, I think Wabash is ranked right where they should be. But with Augie's loss I was thinking a 21 or 22 instead of 23.

Ralph Turner · September 10, 2007, 12:55:35 PM

Quote from: reality check on September 10, 2007, 12:00:36 PM
The OAC has had 6 teams receive votes in the d3football.com poll for sure and I think OTT and WILMA were at least in the "receiving votes" category at some point during the poll's existence but the archive doesn't go back to the seasons I am thinking of for Wilma (2000).

Please do not confuse Pat's Top 25 with the AFCA poll.

Pat Coleman · September 10, 2007, 06:39:50 PM

Quote from: smedindy on September 10, 2007, 12:32:03 PM
Question - did Wabash not rise in the rankings (and actually lost votes) because of Huff's injury? Was that on the voters mind?

Not that I'm complaining, I think Wabash is ranked right where they should be. But with Augie's loss I was thinking a 21 or 22 instead of 23.

I considered it on my ballot. Our voters knew about it, but I can't say for sure what they made of the information.

Mr. Ypsi · September 10, 2007, 07:19:18 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2007, 06:39:50 PM
Quote from: smedindy on September 10, 2007, 12:32:03 PM
Question - did Wabash not rise in the rankings (and actually lost votes) because of Huff's injury? Was that on the voters mind?

Not that I'm complaining, I think Wabash is ranked right where they should be. But with Augie's loss I was thinking a 21 or 22 instead of 23.

I considered it on my ballot. Our voters knew about it, but I can't say for sure what they made of the information.

smed,

And don't forget that Augie's loss was countered by BW's win, since they jumped over Wabash (and 9 others).

smedindy · September 10, 2007, 11:20:11 PM

Gotcha...

Josh Bowerman · September 11, 2007, 10:13:57 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2007, 07:19:18 PM

smed,

And don't forget that Augie's loss was countered by BW's win, since they jumped over Wabash (and 9 others).

I noticed BW jumped ten spots. Even after a nice win, that seems like pretty extreme movement in the polls, at least to me. Especially given that only three teams in the top 25 lost and only two fell out of the poll all together.