Top 25 rankings

[smedindy]

No it doesn't! Everyone who knows about this poll knows about Mt. Union, so basically, I think ONU gets a pass on that game. It's perfectly reasonable to me!

[Pat Coleman]

Is it my imagination or is the poll coming out later and later these past two weeks?

IIAC voter among the last to file.

[Pat Coleman]

That's the kind of thing that causes people to question the credibility of the poll, smed.

Only the AFCA voters would find that incredible. We'll see how far ONU drops in that poll.

Just like UWW dropped for losing on the road to a D-II team, so the AFCA had UWW 8 doing into the game at No. 4 UWL. We had UWW ranked higher, which turned out to be correct.

All this before UWL lost its quarterback, of course.

[Foss]

I do like the work/analyzation that must have went into moving St. Olaf up in the poll from #18 to #13 after almost upsetting St. Johns in Collegeville, and that being its only loss. In most other polls, they would have moved down, or at the best stayed where they were, simply because they lost.

[Josh Bowerman]

I'm not suggesting the Polar Bears shouldn't be ranked--even in the top 20.  But only dropping them two spots after getting blown out is giving way too much of a Mt. Union cushion.  They should be somewhere between 15-20 after a--wait on it--44 point blowout loss.

Nobody should get a pass for losing by 44, smed.  Keeping it close or even respectable is a different story--but not the case, here.  You've been around these boards long enough that you should know that by now. 

[Ryan Tipps]

I do like the work/analyzation that must have went into moving St. Olaf up in the poll from #18 to #13 after almost upsetting St. Johns in Collegeville, and that being its only loss. In most other polls, they would have moved down, or at the best stayed where they were, simply because they lost.

Foss, you beat me to posting about this very thing.

I think it's great that Olaf moved up five spots despite losing. That's a testiment to them being a good team -- which is what I think is the case -- rather than to thinking that the Johnnies weren't playing up to snuff. The poll accepts the very real likelihood that that MIAC has two very good teams in it this year.

But, I have to ask, is this the biggest jump in the Top 25 poll that a team has made after losing? Obviously, I'm not questioning it, just asking the Web site of record.  

[DutchFan2004]

Well better late than never I guess.  We out here have never been extremely fast.  

[Foss]

Ryan, that's a good question. I don't ever recall seeing a team who lost jump 5 spots in the D3 poll, although I'm sure you'll get a definative answer.

[DutchFan2004]

One thing I have seen from the D3 pollsters is that they really vote where they believe a team should be based on how good the team is, not if the lost a game or not.  St Olaf is a good example of this as mentioned.  St Olaf with their performance was rewarded for playing a good game and almost beating the #4 team in the nation.  Last week UWL did not move for the loss to #3.  I agreed with all those.  I think the ONU going down farther may happen as in the case of  UWL if ONU suffers another loss.  Just cause you suffer a loss to #1 does not mean you should move down.  If #1 is as good as advertised (and I think they are) then they may roll over any and all teams.  That does not make the losing team any worse rankings wise IMHO.

[DutchFan2004]

One thing I have seen from the D3 pollsters is that they really vote where they believe a team should be based on how good the team is, not if the lost a game or not.  St Olaf is a good example of this as mentioned.  St Olaf with their performance was rewarded for playing a good game and almost beating the #4 team in the nation.  Last week UWL did not move for the loss to #3.  I agreed with all those.  I think the ONU going down farther may happen as in the case of  UWL if ONU suffers another loss.  Just cause you suffer a loss to #1 does not mean you should move down.  If #1 is as good as advertised (and I think they are) then they may roll over any and all teams.  That does not make the losing team any worse rankings wise IMHO.

[smedindy]

I'm not suggesting the Polar Bears shouldn't be ranked--even in the top 20.  But only dropping them two spots after getting blown out is giving way too much of a Mt. Union cushion.  They should be somewhere between 15-20 after a--wait on it--44 point blowout loss.

Nobody should get a pass for losing by 44, smed.  Keeping it close or even respectable is a different story--but not the case, here.  You've been around these boards long enough that you should know that by now. 

Josh - it's a function of what else happened in the poll as well. They had 309 points this week - last week they had 401. That's 91 points. Last week 309 would have put them at 14th, but with all of the upsets I think the poll was quite unsettled.

[Josh Bowerman]

Statistically speaking, roughly 300 points from 25 voters equates out to a poll position of 14--straight average.  Since they're in at 11, it can only mean that there's a polar bi-modal distribution of votes for the Polar Bears--several voters having them really high and several voters having them significantly lower.

Last week, with roughly 400 points, their statistical average position based on that number of points was 10--and that's close enough to their previous poll position of 9 to make the assumption that almost every voter had them between 7-11 on their ballot last week.

I'd love to see the actual poll position distribution, because my guess is that the final number is skewed this week for that very reason.

[smedindy]

Statistically speaking, roughly 300 points from 25 voters equates out to a poll position of 14--straight average.  Since they're in at 11, it can only mean that there's a polar bi-modal distribution of votes for the Polar Bears--several voters having them really high and several voters having them significantly lower.

I'd love to see the actual poll position distribution, because my guess is that the final number is skewed this week for that very reason.

I think several teams have that distribution this week. That will happen in a week o' upsets.

[SJU09]

For Wartburg to be still ranked in the top 25 after a loss to Augsburg at home is a gift.

[Pat Coleman]

I do like the work/analyzation that must have went into moving St. Olaf up in the poll from #18 to #13 after almost upsetting St. Johns in Collegeville, and that being its only loss. In most other polls, they would have moved down, or at the best stayed where they were, simply because they lost.

Foss, you beat me to posting about this very thing.

I think it's great that Olaf moved up five spots despite losing. That's a testiment to them being a good team -- which is what I think is the case -- rather than to thinking that the Johnnies weren't playing up to snuff. The poll accepts the very real likelihood that that MIAC has two very good teams in it this year.

But, I have to ask, is this the biggest jump in the Top 25 poll that a team has made after losing? Obviously, I'm not questioning it, just asking the Web site of record. 

Ryan,

Sorry -- I don't have an easy way to research that, sorry.