D-3 Players in the Pros

[Ralph Turner]

Enough plugging your site already.  You've done it up and down every football board here.  If you want to advertise talk to Pat and get his (very reasonable) rates.

Why does it bother you that we are offering something to players to help them further their football career.  Actually, we were fortunate enough to receive a phone call two days ago, from a parent of a graduating dIII player explaining how happy he was to have seen our post here on the DIII message boards because our site was giving his son another outlet to further his career.  Being a former DIII player I understand the struggle it takes to get into the professinal leagues(whether I was good enough or not, references on my success are available through DIII football.com).  I'm sorry if it bothers you that I'm trying to help my former and future colleagues.   

CardsWr13,

As I read the Terms of Service, your posting serial messages on multiple boards with your ".com" web site constitutes a violation.

Welcome to the D3sports.com message board. Post up your opinions about Division III sports here. Please, no commercial posts and no flaming. We will remove posts when necessary.

I agree with Ron.  Buy an ad, and support this web site.  A well-produced advertisement that outlines what you are selling will look much better to the prospective athletes, their coaches and their parents than your trolling these boards with your 700 member "dot-com" web site.

There are some real horror stories about "All-star games" that any serious prospective player will uncover doing the simplest research.

Click here.

I hope that your venture is successful as an outlet for D-3 players to continue playing.  I think that you can improve your solicitation effort, tho'.

[smedindy]

I would not say that the NFL gets it right all the time.  You have examples such as Kurt Warner out there, and the bottom line is that the NFL can not get to everybody.   

QB may be the one position the NFL misses some players on, but you only have 2-3 per team. Besides, the NFL didn't miss on Warner, since he did play in the league after an apprenticeship. The NFL didn't forget him, unlike MLB or the NBA or the NHL where you're shunted off and you may never get back.

[CardsWr13]

Enough plugging your site already.  You've done it up and down every football board here.  If you want to advertise talk to Pat and get his (very reasonable) rates.

Why does it bother you that we are offering something to players to help them further their football career.  Actually, we were fortunate enough to receive a phone call two days ago, from a parent of a graduating dIII player explaining how happy he was to have seen our post here on the DIII message boards because our site was giving his son another outlet to further his career.  Being a former DIII player I understand the struggle it takes to get into the professinal leagues(whether I was good enough or not, references on my success are available through DIII football.com).  I'm sorry if it bothers you that I'm trying to help my former and future colleagues.   

CardsWr13,

As I read the Terms of Service, your posting serial messages on multiple boards with your ".com" web site constitutes a violation.

Welcome to the D3sports.com message board. Post up your opinions about Division III sports here. Please, no commercial posts and no flaming. We will remove posts when necessary.

I agree with Ron.  Buy an ad, and support this web site.  A well-produced advertisement that outlines what you are selling will look much better to the prospective athletes, their coaches and their parents than your trolling these boards with your 700 member "dot-com" web site.

There are some real horror stories about "All-star games" that any serious prospective player will uncover doing the simplest research.

Click here.

I hope that your venture is successful as an outlet for D-3 players to continue playing.  I think that you can improve your solicitation effort, tho'.

Ralph Turner,
I do not know who you are or why you are so upset at our site.  I'm not sure if the "700 member" things is a shot at us.  Our user level is pretty good since we only signed our agreement with the Af2 at the end of October.  I'm sure if you asked Pat how many registered users he had after two months the results would not vary all that much.  I don't know if you know but we have an exclusive deal with the Af2.  I know there are other sites out there that try to take advantage of players rip them off.  We don't even charge players.  Most of the sites that rip players off are not backed by major football organizations.  As far as supporting this site, I think Pat Coleman has done an incredible job of putting D3football.com together and it's an incredible site.  I know that some of Pat's goals and dreams for D3football.com is to help D3football players, and that's what I'm trying to do here.  I'm not at liberty to discuss in detail, but we have offered to support the D3football.com site in a significant financial way.  I'm not trying to abuse the rules on these message boards, but rather trying to offer a friendly neighbor suggestion to athletes.  We offer athletes the ability to post information about themselves and find out information on combines and tryouts that they can attend.  If you have some genuine concerns about our site, I would love to address them either by email, phone, or message board.  As I was saying before, the Af2 is a great entry point for the dIII players      

[CardsWr13]

I would not say that the NFL gets it right all the time.  You have examples such as Kurt Warner out there, and the bottom line is that the NFL can not get to everybody.   

QB may be the one position the NFL misses some players on, but you only have 2-3 per team. Besides, the NFL didn't miss on Warner, since he did play in the league after an apprenticeship. The NFL didn't forget him, unlike MLB or the NBA or the NHL where you're shunted off and you may never get back.

I agree.  Kicker and D-Line are two other positions missed, just because they are very hard to evaluate.  There are limited number of kickers they end up having to go somewhere CFL, Af2, Arena.

[Pat Coleman]

Enough plugging your site already.  You've done it up and down every football board here.  If you want to advertise talk to Pat and get his (very reasonable) rates.

Why does it bother you that we are offering something to players to help them further their football career.  Actually, we were fortunate enough to receive a phone call two days ago, from a parent of a graduating dIII player explaining how happy he was to have seen our post here on the DIII message boards because our site was giving his son another outlet to further his career.  Being a former DIII player I understand the struggle it takes to get into the professinal leagues(whether I was good enough or not, references on my success are available through DIII football.com).  I'm sorry if it bothers you that I'm trying to help my former and future colleagues.   

CardsWr13,

As I read the Terms of Service, your posting serial messages on multiple boards with your ".com" web site constitutes a violation.

Welcome to the D3sports.com message board. Post up your opinions about Division III sports here. Please, no commercial posts and no flaming. We will remove posts when necessary.

I agree with Ron.  Buy an ad, and support this web site.  A well-produced advertisement that outlines what you are selling will look much better to the prospective athletes, their coaches and their parents than your trolling these boards with your 700 member "dot-com" web site.

There are some real horror stories about "All-star games" that any serious prospective player will uncover doing the simplest research.

Click here.

I hope that your venture is successful as an outlet for D-3 players to continue playing.  I think that you can improve your solicitation effort, tho'.

Ralph Turner,
I do not know who you are or why you are so upset at our site.  I'm not sure if the "700 member" things is a shot at us.  Our user level is pretty good since we only signed our agreement with the Af2 at the end of October.  I'm sure if you asked Pat how many registered users he had after two months the results would not vary all that much.  I don't know if you know but we have an exclusive deal with the Af2.  I know there are other sites out there that try to take advantage of players rip them off.  We don't even charge players.  Most of the sites that rip players off are not backed by major football organizations.  As far as supporting this site, I think Pat Coleman has done an incredible job of putting D3football.com together and it's an incredible site.  I know that some of Pat's goals and dreams for D3football.com is to help D3football players, and that's what I'm trying to do here.  I'm not at liberty to discuss in detail, but we have offered to support the D3football.com site in a significant financial way.  I'm not trying to abuse the rules on these message boards, but rather trying to offer a friendly neighbor suggestion to athletes.  We offer athletes the ability to post information about themselves and find out information on combines and tryouts that they can attend.  If you have some genuine concerns about our site, I would love to address them either by email, phone, or message board.  As I was saying before, the Af2 is a great entry point for the dIII players      

Uhh ... we are in discussions that resemble that description, yes, which is why I haven't said anything so far ... but I can't say I'm overly thrilled with what is indeed a violation of the TOS.

[CardsWr13]

Well, I guess the tribe has spoken, I will put my torch out.

[K-Mack]

Well, I guess the tribe has spoken, I will put my torch out.

I think I speak for Ron, Ralph and Pat when I say we don't mind you keeping it lit if you do it in the proper way/place/vein.

None of us have anything against your site or your efforts, per se.

[Ron Boerger]

Thanks Pat, Keith and Ralph.  With re the site (and the service), if it's legit, great.  But random threads across multiple boards doesn't promote an air of legitimacy.  I hope you get everything worked out to make it work for the kids that everyone posting here cares so passionately about.

Back to the topic of this thread, anyone have an interest in putting together the cumulative stats for all our D3 NFL players ?  I've started with the ones listed in the FAQ:

Tony Beckham - DB, Detroit (UW-Stout)
5 tackles (3 solo), 1 pass defended

London Fletcher - MLB, Washington (John Carroll) D3 NFL MVP 
128 tackles (100 solo), 3 INT (36yds, 1 TD), 10 passes defended

Fred Jackson - RB, Buffalo (Coe)
58 carries, 300 yds (5.5 ypc), 22 receptions, 190 yds (8.8 ypc)

Nate Jackson - WR, Denver (Menlo) - ended season on IR
3 receptions, 34 yds (11.3 ypc), 1 TD

Clint Kriewaldt - LB, Pittsburgh (UW-Stephens Point)
10 tackles (3 solo)

Derek Stanley - WR, St. Louis (UW-Whitewater)
No catches, 1 rush, 5 yards, 1 fumble (recovered)

Jason Trusnik - LB, NY Jets (Ohio Northern) - ended season on IR
8 tackles, 4 solo

Mike Turk - P, Houston (UW-Whitewater)
55 punts, 41.7 yd avg, 37.9 yd net avg, 24 inside 20, no punts blocked

Jerheme Urban - WR, Arizona (Trinity [TX])
22 receptions, 329 yds (15.0 ypc), 2 TD, 1 OSK recovery

[CardsWr13]

What about Justin Beaver for UW-Whitewater, are there any rumblings about him with NFL scouts?  Is there any desire on his part to go pro?

[TXGuru]

Pierre Garcon got invited to the NFL combine........

Here is a complete list of small school players with combine invites:

CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Tennessee State
OG Heath Benedict Newberry
QB Joe Flacco Delaware
OT Chad Rinehart Northern Iowa
OT Demetrius Bell Northwestern State
QB Josh Johnson San Diego
WR Jerome Simpson Coastal Carolina
DE Brian Johnston Gardner-Webb
FB Jerome Felton Furman
P Mike Dragosavich North Dakota State
DE Curtis Johnson Clark Atlanta
RB Xavier Omon Northwest Missouri State
WR Jaymar Johnson Jackson State
WR Pierre Garcon Mount Union

[Pat Coleman]

Where did you see that list published, out of curiosity?

[TXGuru]

http://www.d2messageboard.com/showthread.php?t=8213&page=2

[Pat Coleman]

Darn, was hoping it was a reliable source.

[TXGuru]

It is very reliable...that list was posted by Josh Buchanan....He is the guy that projects all the d2 players to the Pro Level...and his lists are always legit.

[Pat Coleman]

I'm sure it is, but a post on a message board can't carry as much weight as a news story somewhere.