MBB: American Rivers Conference

birds of prey · February 08, 2008, 05:27:18 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2008, 03:00:26 PM
Don't forget that the d3hoops poll has NOTHING to do with tourney selection (every year 2 or 3 top-25 teams stay home). Teams from leagues like the CCIW amd WIAC should benefit somewhat from the switch from QOWI to OWP/OOWP (last year both conferences sent only ONE team, with each having a top-25 team left at home), but the second and third place teams in the IIAC will probably still have better in-region winning records than the runners-up in the CCIW and WIAC. Both the CCIW and WIAC are notorious for beating each other up.

Very true. Both leagues should benefit and with there only being like 9 Pool C bids, and taking into account that there will most undoubtedly be an upset here or there in conference championship games allowing an extra team in there, that further puts the IIAC on the outside looking in as far as multiple bids are concerned. Plus, there's only 17 Pool C bids and over 400 D3 schools. As always there will be lots of controversy as to those who miss out. Hopefully that new switch to OWP/OOWP helps with clearing things up a little.

Gregory Sager · February 09, 2008, 12:01:13 PM

Quote from: birds of prey on February 08, 2008, 02:15:55 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 08, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
I think that there is a chance for BV or Loras to receive a Pool C bid if they either of them dont win the tournament. If you want more info check the multi-region board and go to the Pool C topic. Shows how these two stack up within the region.

From what I've seen and heard in other Division III conferences...at least the ones nearby, I don't think anyone in the Iowa Conference has much of a shot to get a pool C bid. The Duhawks I would say have a better shot than the Beavers at this point strictly based on non-conference wins. Their losses to Clarke and Wheaton were tough, but they did beat North Park at home and UW-LaCrosse on the road. Both teams have wins over #7 Augustana and UW-Platteville needed 2OTs to win at LaCrosse last night.

For BV, losses to a very good GAC team and really bad Cabrini team really hurt. They have no wins over legitimate non-conference foes and their chances for an outside bid are very very small. They'd need a miracle. But I find it hard to believe that the Iowa Conference has any chance at stealing bids from conferences like the WIAC and CCIW who have 3-4 teams in the top 25 as we speak. The chance for life after the IIAC tourney is to win the IIAC Tourney!

The Loras loss to Clarke is completely irrelevant for D3 tourney selection purposes, because Clarke is not a D3 team. Likewise, Buena Vista's loss to Cabrini is irrelevant, because that was not a regional game.

Only regional games count, people. Don't get into the habit of looking at a team's overall record when you start thinking about possible Pool C bids. Always look at the team's regional record. In other words, when you check out a team's schedule on its particular d3hoops.com page, always look for the little black box next to an opponent's name that indicates that the game was a regional contest.

The Show · February 09, 2008, 01:36:45 PM

Gregory - So do you think either BV or Loras would have a chance at a Pool C bid?

Gregory Sager · February 09, 2008, 02:12:14 PM

Quote from: The Show on February 09, 2008, 01:36:45 PM
Gregory - So do you think either BV or Loras would have a chance at a Pool C bid?

Rather than answer that question myself, let me direct you to the Pool C room in the "Multi-Regional Topics" section of Posting Up, where you can get the answer to that and any other question you might have about Pool C possibilities. That room is not only frequented by long-term national D3 observers, but also by guys such as Patrick Abegg who are crunching the numbers with regard to the Pool C situation.

The Show · February 09, 2008, 02:20:12 PM

Thanks Gregory, will do.

SLP-O-8 · February 09, 2008, 06:41:16 PM

BV beats Cornell 80-64. BV is 18-4 (12-1). Cleveland had 19, Fogelman had 14, Fredrichson 13, Stribe 12, and Wagner had 10. Good win for BV. The game was close the first half but BV kept going while Cornell cooled off and BV pulled away.

duhawkdanran · February 09, 2008, 10:49:10 PM

Loras routes Wartburg today 83-68. Wartburg pulled a play out of Kansas's old book with a back door lob for a dunk to start the game, which got them fired up enough to stay in for a while until Loras built a 10 point lead and never looked back.

Congrats to Luke Slater who needed 11 points today to reach 1000 for his career. He reached that milestone late in the game and finished with 12.

Loras has the week off with Luther coming to town next saturday. Looks to be like a great last few weeks as always!

Kohawk Krazy · February 09, 2008, 11:56:16 PM

Big win for the Kohawks today. The win puts them into sole possession of third place, a spot I think they'll keep for the rest of the way...

sportsknight · February 09, 2008, 11:56:51 PM

I wasn't at the Loras-Wartburg game, but from the stats make it look like Loras' 3 point and FT shooting were the difference. Both team shot pretty well, turnovers were about even, etc.

Also, I think its pretty telling how banged up Wartburg is when they only go 7 deep and each starter has to play 30 minutes or more.

iiacchamps · February 10, 2008, 06:57:09 PM

What happened to Schutte? I saw the boxscore and saw he didnt play.

birds of prey · February 10, 2008, 09:42:22 PM

Quote from: iiacchamps on February 10, 2008, 06:57:09 PM
What happened to Schutte? I saw the boxscore and saw he didnt play.

I had heard that Wartburg had a couple guys forced to sit out because of the flu. I was surprised Peth only went 2 deep on his bench, but if that's the case then it would explain a lot.

Rock Chalk DuHawk · February 12, 2008, 11:01:49 AM

Do you guys see the All -Decade team....Congrats to Simpson and ole running mate William Penn for developing to All-Stars. I cant believe there is not one player from either Wartburg or BV on the list. They sure had alot of great talent.

Lets create are own all Decade Team for the conference 1998-2008.

Kohawk Krazy · February 12, 2008, 03:41:39 PM

Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 12, 2008, 11:01:49 AM
Do you guys see the All -Decade team....Congrats to Simpson and ole running mate William Penn for developing to All-Stars. I cant believe there is not one player from either Wartburg or BV on the list. They sure had alot of great talent.

Lets create are own all Decade Team for the conference 1998-2008.

I'll throw in two Coe guys just from recent years....Kyle Kuenstling and Mike Kilburg...

Pat Coleman · February 12, 2008, 11:31:19 PM

William Penn didn't have any players. William Paterson is a school in New Jersey that played for the national title in 2001.

SLP-O-8 · February 13, 2008, 12:42:21 AM

Wednesdays Games
Simpson @ BV- I will take the Beavers here by 15. BV continues to play good ball and gets the win at home.
Central @ Coe- Coe by 10
Cornell @ Wartburg- Cornell in a close game
Luther @ Dubuque- Dubuque by 10

I believe if the games go the way i picked, Coe, Cornell and Dubuque would all claim spots in the conference tournament. Even with a central lose i think they clinch a spot in the tournament with Wartburg and Simpson loses. The field is pretty much all but set for the tournament and the Top 2 seeds are Bv and Loras with who gets the #1 seed depending probably on the last game of the year between them at siebens field house.