MBB: American Rivers Conference

Droppin Bombs · February 08, 2006, 03:30:13 PM

How can you say that Stegee is the best player in the conference? First of all he's not even the best player on his team. If you look at games where Wartburg has lost at the end of games Stegee is jackin shots. Looking at guys like kuentsling they're not afraid to let other player on their team make plays. The reason why kuenstling is so much better then Stegee is due to his unselfishness. How often do you see a four so high in the assist totals? The kids rediculous and should get MVP the next three years.

PS
Travis Person is a douche

sportsknight · February 08, 2006, 05:06:08 PM

Quote from: Hawk Sighting on February 08, 2006, 01:59:48 PM
not at all does that diminish the winning team, expesially if the winning team has a lower ranking or isnt ranked at all. Obviously the better team was not the "rated" team.

Obviously you aren't seeing my point. In Coe's win over Wartburg, for example, wouldn't it be better to say that you beat eleventh best team in the country, rather than having beat a team that was ranked 11th and didn't deserve it? That's why I think the overrated chant is so dumb. And from some of the things you've said on here before, it doesn't surprise me at all that I have to explain this to you.

PS - The correct spelling of that word is especially.

sportsknight · February 08, 2006, 05:09:56 PM

As far as the MVP race goes, I think these last couple weeks and the IIAC tournament will go a long way in deciding who gets it. I think its a two horse race between Steege and Kilburg right now. The IIAC coaches almost always give it to someone from the league champion, so Kilburg probably has the edge right now.

I'll take Kilburg over Kuenstling in this race any day of the week. I know there's room for improvement from year to year, but the coaches will look at what Coe didn't have last year that has made them so much better this year. Kilburg is that guy. They had Kuenstling last year and only finished 4th in the league. This year they have Kilburg and their at the top of the standings. Not saying its right, but its how it would be if the voting was today.

Charlie Kohawk · February 08, 2006, 05:19:58 PM

Another thing Coe didn't have last year was Pat Juckem as coach.

coocooforcoekohawk · February 08, 2006, 06:21:59 PM

Kilburg and Kuenstling are going to split the vote and the Wartburg guy will get it, no?

Droppin Bombs · February 08, 2006, 07:48:31 PM

Kuenstling was also a freshman last year and both him and kilburg have definite D 1 potential. The only problem is that Kuentsling is dominating Kilburg in every statistical catagorie except PPG, but Kuenstling has a better field goal perct. Both are great players, but Kuentsling can play 2 maybe 3 positions which gives him the edge.

PS
Travis Person is a douche

sportsknight · February 08, 2006, 10:44:16 PM

Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 08, 2006, 06:21:59 PM
Kilburg and Kuenstling are going to split the vote and the Wartburg guy will get it, no?

Were it something that a lot of media types, etc. vote on, maybe. But given that the coaches vote on it, I don't think that'll happen. Besides, for what I know of these things, coaches will let the others know which of their players they would rather see win things like All-IIAC and MVP.

coocooforcoekohawk · February 08, 2006, 10:51:56 PM

Quote from: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 10:44:16 PM
[ Besides, for what I know of these things, coaches will let the others know which of their players they would rather see win things like All-IIAC and MVP.

Interesting insight.

Charlie Kohawk · February 09, 2006, 12:16:11 AM

Quote from: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 10:44:16 PM
Besides, for what I know of these things, coaches will let the others know which of their players they would rather see win things like All-IIAC and MVP.

This makes it sound like shady politics. Actually, I believe coaches nominate players for post-season honors. Even if they were allowed two MVP nominations -- which I doubt -- a coach would be foolish to nominate two of his own players, no matter how deserving they both may be.

There's still a lot of ball to be played before the MVP race is decided. If I were to handicap the race at this point in time, I'd say Kuenstling is #1 with Kilburg a close #2. Steege? He's not even #3.

primetime · February 09, 2006, 12:44:23 AM

MVP- Steege-Wartburg
1st Team
Kuenstling-Coe
Thomas- Dubuque
Hittenmiller- Simpson
Driftmier- Central
Kilburg- Coe
Schmidt- Wartburg

2nd Team
Rump- Luther
Lappe- Luther
White- Loras
Soppe- Simpson
Daugherty- Dubuque
Fogleman- Buena Vista

Others...
LaDew- Cornell
Clark- Central
Parkinson- Simpson
Slater- Loras

Top Freshman (No Order)
Fogleman- Buena Vista
LaDew- Cornell
Tierney- Cornell
Wagner- Buena Vista
Stark- Wartburg
Oeth- Loras
Mangrich- Dubuque

Hawk Sighting · February 09, 2006, 04:31:46 PM

Come on Primetime!

I could sit here and argue with you about your choose of MVP, but we have talked about it already! But I will argue about not having any other Coe athletes on that list. To actually think that Coe's whole team consists of just two players is crazy, not only do they have one of the best starting 5, but they have one of the best 6th and 7th man off the bench. I dont want to be to "pre-mature" in my pickings, but come on, think this one through. I agree with some of the names, but i could think of a couple that should not be up there. It's all our own opinions, and that is what makes this board great. Anyone agree or disagree out there?!

keith45 · February 09, 2006, 04:37:58 PM

well, this Coe team is not on the level of BV a few years ago, when they had 3-4 deserving players, and they had the stats to back it up..and going back farther, when UIU had 5 players who could have been 1st and 2nd team all conference.....I'm not sure about 2 players from UD and Luther (although I like how Daugherty has stepped up, I'm not sure if it is defense or a new offense that is responsible for Thomas drop in scoring from last year)..so m,aybe one more Coe player for one of those spots, but statistically, who can you add in from Coe?
And MVP has to be Steege if they win it..if not, I'd say Killburg

Hawk Sighting · February 09, 2006, 05:29:36 PM

Quote from: keith45 on February 09, 2006, 04:37:58 PMAnd MVP has to be Steege if they win it..if not, I'd say Killburg

NO WAY!!!!!!! I dont care if they went undefeated, he is not better then either of Coe's big guys!! Stat wise or athletic wise. He only is good when he is playing against teams with average posts, when he plays good or great posts he is average at best. And that is giving him credit. Enough about this MVP crap!! How about this f'ing snow!

PainTrain · February 09, 2006, 06:51:47 PM

I think you are confusing Schmidt and Steege. Steege is obviously not a post because he is the smallest player in the conference. By the way, how old is little Kuenstling? I hear he has a pretty good frame for a high school kid.

primetime · February 09, 2006, 07:00:10 PM

Steege is the point guard, so I am not sure what that has to do with him playing other teams with average posts. It is not all about stats either. Steege runs the show for Wartburg and is the best guard in the league. Coe is good but besides their two big guys, I don't see them getting another candidate when most of the time the league tries to get one player from each team. This year there are a lot of good players and lots very solid players. Guard wise no one has really put up huge numbers, so it is hard to say who could make it. I could see a Luther or Dubque getting two guys on the all-conference teams even with their record. It has been done before when Cornell had an average record with three very good players in Ditch, McClanahan, and Fox. Simpson could also maybe get three as well. The top three teams in the league seem to have their two studs and then a bunch of very solid players, while lower teams have some very good players but not as much to go around them. Probably why they are the top three teams. Very interesting season and still a lot of ball to still be played.