MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sumander]

Given the J's recent performances at the Shoe it is safe to mortgage the house on UST!
Here is what unfolds on Wednesday night, BET and AUG win the other 3 lose. So you have:

BET 13-6
CAR 12-7
AUG 12-7
SJU 11-8
GAC 11-8

Making Saturday the 21st an awfully interesting day

Damn, gonna break my arm patting myself on the back!

Saturday's schedule:
CAR @ BET
AUG @ SMU
GAC @ SJU

An AUG win is likely, putting them at 13-7, If CAR beats BET you have both of them at 13-7, not likely so you will have BET @ 14-6 and CAR at 12-8.

This leaves SJU/GAC.

From Frank the Tank's blog:

Playoff Seeding Tie Breakers
1. Results head to head.
2. Results against teams above those tied.
3. Results against teams above those tied in rank order. (In the case of a multiple tie the teams that remain after this breaker will return to breaker #1 and so forth).
4. Descending order of losses.
5. Record on road games.
6. Coin toss.

For the record, the Johnnies swept Carleton and split with Augsburg and Bethel. They lost their first meeting with the Gusties and went 0-2 against St. Thomas. I'll try and break down the playoff possibilities in detail Thursday or Friday.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

I couldn't believe I got to the Shoe a whole hour before game time last night and was lucky to get a decent seat. Although I expected a comfortable win, I was particulary impressed with UST's defensive intensity, even when the game was in hand. Thought the J's actually did a nice job of staying with the Tommies for a half, even though they were obviously outmanned.

I'm not sure PI's ballot should be considered if it does not include McCoy on the top 3 MIAC teams . The only way you don't include him is if you just look at stat lines Last night was an excellent example. Excellent man post defense, help defense to take a charges or affect shots....many intangibles that his stat lines don't show that help his team win.

Final thought for the day to get everyone thinking.....everyone could debate the "best MIAC team", but is there any argument over whether this year's UST squad has the best "second" team? If I'm a coach this year and you gave me Tuma, Halvorsen, Archer, Healy,  Erwin/Pelletier/Eicher and give me the UST JV squad for a bench, I'm expecting to make the playoffs and probably disappointed if I don't finish in the top 4 of the league.  I couldn't even think of making this kind of statement with any othe MIAC bench that I have seen in the past. Thoughts???

Now that fellas is a post from a man who knows basketball.  PI - pay close attention.  If I didn't know better I think I might even know this Pops guy! 

As I said last night – "dumb Drake," or familiarity breeds contempt.  Since I live & work fairly close to UST I foolishly thought I could stay at work a little bit longer, drove by the Shoe around 6:20 on my way to the cleaners, stopped at home to change clothes, made a quick sandwich & then figured I''d stroll in around 7:00. Stroll?  Hmmph!!  The hawk was blowing around last night & I was practically sprinting back to my car with the sting of the security guard's  - "Sorry, it's full" ringing in my ears after he had rejected my self-righteous whining – "don't you know me? I'm VOJ's Deputy Dawg!? 

As a small consolation I did receive an email from my contact at UST this AM & they apologized for not hearing my cell phone in the swell of noise in the arena.  And I also received assurance that I would still be able to get a season pass to the Tommies games next year. Lesson learned – show up earlier for UST-SJU games. 

Pops...you know my feelings on the Great One, (Al McCoy)so I have your back there...as for your talk about taking their second five and the JV bench into the playoffs, in the words of a famous ESPN CFB honk...not so fast my friend...

I picture a team like St. Olaf, looks great on some nights and would stuggle on others, yes there is some great talent there, and mixed with the first five they wear you down, BUT overall to rely on them as a starting 5 with a young bench...fighting for 6th would be a more apt description.

Drake...if you make friends with people they would be more than willing to help you out, of course this means actually meeting them in person, one flash of an MIAC press pass and the words, he is with me on Johnnies radio and you would have been in the catbirds seat. 

It starting to sound like VOJ has a serious man-crush on Drake. Too bad Valentine's weekend has passed 

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Given the J's recent performances at the Shoe it is safe to mortgage the house on UST!
Here is what unfolds on Wednesday night, BET and AUG win the other 3 lose. So you have:

BET 13-6
CAR 12-7
AUG 12-7
SJU 11-8
GAC 11-8

Making Saturday the 21st an awfully interesting day

Damn, gonna break my arm patting myself on the back!

Saturday's schedule:
CAR @ BET
AUG @ SMU
GAC @ SJU

An AUG win is likely, putting them at 13-7, If CAR beats BET you have both of them at 13-7, not likely so you will have BET @ 14-6 and CAR at 12-8.

This leaves SJU/GAC.

From Frank the Tank's blog:

Playoff Seeding Tie Breakers
1. Results head to head.
2. Results against teams above those tied.
3. Results against teams above those tied in rank order. (In the case of a multiple tie the teams that remain after this breaker will return to breaker #1 and so forth).
4. Descending order of losses.
5. Record on road games.
6. Coin toss.

For the record, the Johnnies swept Carleton and split with Augsburg and Bethel. They lost their first meeting with the Gusties and went 0-2 against St. Thomas. I'll try and break down the playoff possibilities in detail Thursday or Friday.

Sum- I can Frank the work-- based on what I saw of GAC Sat & SJU last night, GAC will be the 4 or 5 seed, SJU will be the 6. 

I'd say we will end up with BU as the 2, Augs as the 3, and CAR/GAC tied for 4th and meeting in the q'finals while SJU goes to Auggie.

Now to really scare SJU-- if they, as the 6 seed, should happen to win on Monday, guess where they play on Weds in the semis?  Yup, The Shoe

[BETHEL34]

Bethel 87, GAC 72

Cousin Ball: A secret agreement to let the player you're defending score at will if he/she does the same for you.
Van Sickle: 9/15 for season-high 27 points
Madson: 10/18 for 28 points

Sets up an interesting showdown Saturday between SJU and GAC to determine who's the biggest loser of the final two weeks.

AO - Just stop. For the love of everything holy, please stop.

Madson and Van Sickle didn't guard each other once all night...

Exactly

If you're saying they didn't ever matchup, I find that a little hard to believe. GAC guards have switched liberally for at least the past decade. While they have started using zone for the first time in years, I doubt the switching philosophy has changed since I saw them play in January...

I was saying they never matched up.  I was very surprised myself when watching the game that GAC wasn't switching much at all.  GAC definitely doesn't have the athletes this year that they have had in the past decade and that is what I pointed to when I didn't see them switch on every screen like they normally do.  I can't remember one time where Van Sickle was guarding Madson.  It was always either 12, 24, and a few times 20. 

[VOJ]

Given the J's recent performances at the Shoe it is safe to mortgage the house on UST!
Here is what unfolds on Wednesday night, BET and AUG win the other 3 lose. So you have:

BET 13-6
CAR 12-7
AUG 12-7
SJU 11-8
GAC 11-8

Making Saturday the 21st an awfully interesting day

Damn, gonna break my arm patting myself on the back!

Saturday's schedule:
CAR @ BET
AUG @ SMU
GAC @ SJU

An AUG win is likely, putting them at 13-7, If CAR beats BET you have both of them at 13-7, not likely so you will have BET @ 14-6 and CAR at 12-8.

This leaves SJU/GAC.

From Frank the Tank's blog:

Playoff Seeding Tie Breakers
1. Results head to head.
2. Results against teams above those tied.
3. Results against teams above those tied in rank order. (In the case of a multiple tie the teams that remain after this breaker will return to breaker #1 and so forth).
4. Descending order of losses.
5. Record on road games.
6. Coin toss.

For the record, the Johnnies swept Carleton and split with Augsburg and Bethel. They lost their first meeting with the Gusties and went 0-2 against St. Thomas. I'll try and break down the playoff possibilities in detail Thursday or Friday.

Sum- I can Frank the work-- based on what I saw of GAC Sat & SJU last night, GAC will be the 4 or 5 seed, SJU will be the 6. 

I'd say we will end up with BU as the 2, Augs as the 3, and CAR/GAC tied for 4th and meeting in the q'finals while SJU goes to Auggie.

Now to really scare SJU-- if they, as the 6 seed, should happen to win on Monday, guess where they play on Weds in the semis?  Yup, The Shoe

Maniac..no man crush...I would do the same for you if you were on the outside looking in...

By the way don't be so quick to hand GAC a win at Collegeville, and I would not be all that surprised to see SMU get the Dawgs on Saturday, So if there is a 3 way tie between Auggy, Carleton and SJU, then what happens?  And if the Js and Knights tie then the Js have the tie-breaker there on the 2-0 sweep.

[sumander]

Mose, I have painful memories of the 06-07 season. SJU went into the Shoe on the last Saturday of the year with the conference title on the line and got smoked 74-59. They were back there the following Thursday for the semi's and got beat even worse 75-49! Ouch.

The only solace for the Johnnie faithful is, in between those two debacles they roughed up the Gusties 87-65 at Sexton.

J's played the Gusties tough earlier this year. They lost by 6 at Gus Young!

[basketballlover]

Given the J's recent performances at the Shoe it is safe to mortgage the house on UST!
Here is what unfolds on Wednesday night, BET and AUG win the other 3 lose. So you have:

BET 13-6
CAR 12-7
AUG 12-7
SJU 11-8
GAC 11-8

Making Saturday the 21st an awfully interesting day

Damn, gonna break my arm patting myself on the back!

Saturday's schedule:
CAR @ BET
AUG @ SMU
GAC @ SJU

An AUG win is likely, putting them at 13-7, If CAR beats BET you have both of them at 13-7, not likely so you will have BET @ 14-6 and CAR at 12-8.

This leaves SJU/GAC.

From Frank the Tank's blog:

Playoff Seeding Tie Breakers
1. Results head to head.
2. Results against teams above those tied.
3. Results against teams above those tied in rank order. (In the case of a multiple tie the teams that remain after this breaker will return to breaker #1 and so forth).
4. Descending order of losses.
5. Record on road games.
6. Coin toss.

For the record, the Johnnies swept Carleton and split with Augsburg and Bethel. They lost their first meeting with the Gusties and went 0-2 against St. Thomas. I'll try and break down the playoff possibilities in detail Thursday or Friday.

Sum- I can Frank the work-- based on what I saw of GAC Sat & SJU last night, GAC will be the 4 or 5 seed, SJU will be the 6. 

I'd say we will end up with BU as the 2, Augs as the 3, and CAR/GAC tied for 4th and meeting in the q'finals while SJU goes to Auggie.

Now to really scare SJU-- if they, as the 6 seed, should happen to win on Monday, guess where they play on Weds in the semis?  Yup, The Shoe

Maniac..no man crush...I would do the same for you if you were on the outside looking in...

By the way don't be so quick to hand GAC a win at Collegeville, and I would not be all that surprised to see SMU get the Dawgs on Saturday, So if there is a 3 way tie between Auggy, Carleton and SJU, then what happens?  And if the Js and Knights tie then the Js have the tie-breaker there on the 2-0 sweep.

It is my understanding then they go to #2 rule (results against teams above those tied), because head-head doesn't apply with 3 or more teams tied. If I am wrong then nothing below makes sense, sorry.

Auggies spilt with BET and lost 2 times to STU
CAR lost 2 to STU and so far lost 1 to BET
SJU lost to STU twice, spilt with BET

Therefore, it depends if CAR bets BET on Saturday. If they do then you move down the line of tie breaker rules and there are too many what if situations to go through with that to explain. If they don't, then CAR would be the 5 since they beat neither STU or BET, and SJU and AUG would continue with rule #3.
Which they both have the same records with ranked orders teams above, so then it would go to #4, Descending order of losses which I think means since SJU swept CAR and AUG split with them then they would be 3rd...SJU 3rd, AUG 4th, CAR 5th. If CAR isn't accounted into that because they were in a tie, then it would move to the record against GAC. SJU spilt with them and AUG beat them twice...so AUG 3rd, SJU 4th, CAR 5th

This way too many what ifs...
AUG wins 3rd with a win and CAR loss, CAR loss and SJU win, SJU 4th and CAR 5th (SJU swept CAR), GAC 6th

GAC win and CAR loss, AUG wins...AUG 3rd, CAR 4th (rule #2 comes into play and CAR split with AUG, GAC lost twice), GAC 5th, SJU 6th

CAR win and BET loss and AUG win makes things even crazier because you have to look at records will teams below them. Same with if AUG loss and CAR wins, then BET and CAR fighting for 2nd and 3rd, while AUG fights with GAC or SJU for the 4th and 5th.

Too much time between classes for me today, lol.

[nkwest]

Mose, I have painful memories of the 06-07 season. SJU went into the Shoe on the last Saturday of the year with the conference title on the line and got smoked 74-59. They were back there the following Thursday for the semi's and got beat even worse 75-49! Ouch.

The 75-49 trouncing was actually in the playoff championship game.  SJU finished in the regular season in second place after the loss at UST (craziest atmosphere I've ever seen at The Shoe) and faced GAC in the semifinals.  UST faced the 6th seeded STO in the semis, which had upset Bethel in OT in the quarterfinal round.

[Gregory Sager]

Drake if you had gotten ahold of me I would have had you in...but your pride and secret identity must be too important...seriously it would not have been a problem to give you a deputy badge with "Johnnies Radio" on it...

Does it come with one bullet that Drake could put in his shirt pocket?

[sumander]

Mose, I have painful memories of the 06-07 season. SJU went into the Shoe on the last Saturday of the year with the conference title on the line and got smoked 74-59. They were back there the following Thursday for the semi's and got beat even worse 75-49! Ouch.

The 75-49 trouncing was actually in the playoff championship game.  SJU finished in the regular season in second place after the loss at UST (craziest atmosphere I've ever seen at The Shoe) and faced GAC in the semifinals.  UST faced the 6th seeded STO in the semis, which had upset Bethel in OT in the quarterfinal round.

NKWEST, I thought that was the case too. J's website says the second thrashing was on 2/22/07 which was a thursday night. I thought the championship was played on Saturday Night??

[basketballlover]

Just saw that St. Thomas got their new athletic and recreation center approved. Construction starts in May and should be done by Fall 2010. Where might they be playing next year?

[larry_u]

Just saw that St. Thomas got their new athletic and recreation center approved. Construction starts in May and should be done by Fall 2010. Where might they be playing next year?

Prob at Mac.  They sure aren't using their court....

[nkwest]

NKWEST, I thought that was the case too. J's website says the second thrashing was on 2/22/07 which was a thursday night. I thought the championship was played on Saturday Night??

UST's website has the same incorrect date.  The MIAC archives have it right: http://miac-online.org/Sports/mbball/2007/mbbschedule200607.asp

[sumander]

Thank You! thought I was losing my mind for a minute there!

+k for clearing that up.

[Drake Palmer]

Drake if you had gotten ahold of me I would have had you in...but your pride and secret identity must be too important...seriously it would not have been a problem to give you a deputy badge with "Johnnies Radio" on it...

Does it come with one bullet that Drake could put in his shirt pocket?

Yup.



Sum - how's your arm holding up?  If we could place a few & WIN a few more of those "pay your mortgage bets", we wouldn't need a mortgage stimulus package! 

Then again, that might not be good for your business?