MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[huhoops]

I mostly watched/listened to the AUG-SJU game & don't know what Carleton did to effectively take Ray Brown out of the game.  He played 29 minutes had 6 rebs, 2 assists, 1 block, 1 steal & 9 points.  2-4 from the floor & 5-7 from the FT line.  Hipp had 26 pts 10-13 fga, 6-14 fta, & 7 boards.

Jonker goes off for 26 pts on 12-19 fga, 1-4 3fga, 1-2 fts, & 7 rebs. The other 2, Rosett & Sutherland have sub-par shooting nights but both end up in double digits & make up for their shooting in other ways. Rosett 5-14 fga 3-8 fta, 9 rebs & 3 assists. Sutherland 13 pts, 4-12 fga, 5-6 fta, 5 assists & 4 steals.

City Lutes - Augsburg vs. Country Lutes  - Gustavus down in St. Peter on Thursday night. Should be an excellent game.  Report from the game is that Augsburg is starting to flex some inside muscle to go along with their strong guard play.

Ugh...

HU plays great defense for 95% of the game and gives up 5-7 wide open threes during the other 5%.  Great job by Hipp and Carroll on Rosett and Sutherland. Sutherland had 7 of his 13 while Creeetttin was on the bench.

Brown played under control but a little conservative. I know I have criticized for his over aggressiveness but he needed to try and make some more plays tonight (especially when Hipp was on the bench with 4 fouls).

Great job rebounding by HU but didn't come up with some big ones late. They gave up only 7 offensive boards and probably 4 of them were inside 5:00 minutes.

The 8 point lead could have been 15+ had HU taken care of the ball. 9 turnovers in the first 20 minutes almost negates the great job rebounding.

Nobody really stepped up off the bench, which has been the case in their recent wins. You need more production from guys 6-10.

Nevertheless, thanks for a fun season boys!

[carletonsid]

I mostly watched/listened to the AUG-SJU game & don't know what Carleton did to effectively take Ray Brown out of the game.  He played 29 minutes had 6 rebs, 2 assists, 1 block, 1 steal & 9 points.  2-4 from the floor & 5-7 from the FT line.  Hipp had 26 pts 10-13 fga, 6-14 fta, & 7 boards.

Jonker goes off for 26 pts on 12-19 fga, 1-4 3fga, 1-2 fts, & 7 rebs. The other 2, Rosett & Sutherland have sub-par shooting nights but both end up in double digits & make up for their shooting in other ways. Rosett 5-14 fga 3-8 fta, 9 rebs & 3 assists. Sutherland 13 pts, 4-12 fga, 5-6 fta, 5 assists & 4 steals.

City Lutes - Augsburg vs. Country Lutes  - Gustavus down in St. Peter on Thursday night. Should be an excellent game.  Report from the game is that Augsburg is starting to flex some inside muscle to go along with their strong guard play.

Quick recap. First, Brown was invisible tonight. I'd like to think Sutherland locked him down, but Brown never really forced the action, staying content to facilitate the offense. If I'm a Hamline fan, I'd like to have seen him take Sutherland off the bounce and maybe create some foul trouble. After Carleton built a six-point lead at the 7-minute mark, he hoisted an ill-advised three that was an airball (and drew the ire of Anderson from the HU bench). Brown went out after that play and didn't return until 3 minutes were left and Carleton up 8. Didn't do much after that. Not sure if he was ill or what, but a very non-MVP type performance in the biggest game of the year.

Back to the game. Ugly first half, Knights were stone cold from deep, Rosett and Hipp both in foul trouble, and Jonker kept the Knights in it with 11 points. From Carleton perspective had to feel good leading after that half of basketball, Hamline had to feel like it should have led by 7-10 points.

Early in second, Hamline turned up the defensive pressure and created some easy baskets (those were the only two FGs Brown had, on steals and layups). Knights eventually answer with 17-6 spurt, with Biewen knocking down pair of huge 3s during that spurt (one from about 25 feet) and Jonker with six during that stretch to put Knights up nine with five minutes left.

HU had chances down the stretch, and Hipp was a beast down low. Best move of the night came when he broke out the Alcindor Sky Hook. He had 12 points in final five minutes, but huge turnover by Aguirre with HU down 4  with 1 minute left ended up in Jonker tip-in for 6-point margin. Hipp answered on other end, but out of a timeout Jonker got free behind HU press for a bunny, and Knights knocked down 5-of-8 from FT line in final 34 seconds.

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[Gacman]

Quammen came up huge it looks like DP for augsburg. Only other player with double figures off the bench besides blank in both games.

[piperinsider]

As some famous guy once said:
"Hey, it was a nice run."

[hoopsof80]

Brown was slowed by a recent but unreported knee injury.  It was obvious he didn't have his full abilities in the game.  Hamline was a better team last night with him on the bench.

[sumander]

Best move of the night came when he broke out the Alcindor Sky Hook.
Box score

Nice post CSID, gave me a nice flavor of the game!

I have a lot of money saying there is more than one poster here trying to figure out who Alcindor is!!!   Are you showing your age or the depth of your basketball knowledge?

[Willy Wonka]

As some famous guy once said:
"Hey, it was a nice run."

Let's play! 

[huhoops]

As some famous guy once said:
"Hey, it was a nice run."

PI... What a roller coaster ride this season was. Regardless, it was fun talking HU hoops with you this season.

Hopefully Whitmore and the staff can keep the core group of returners around and add a couple of pieces.

Best of luck to the four remaining teams. CAR poses a tough match up for UST. If I'm Kalland, I already have my guys in the gym shooting free throws this morning. UST has the edge at home, but CAR had a never die will about them last night that makes teams extremely dangerous this time of year.

(Drake, AO, Sum)Okay, if AUG beats GAC and loses to UST, do they have any pool C opportunities? It seems to me they would atleast get some kind of consideration.

[sumander]

HuHoops, The unoffical rankings through Sunday were:

REG   #   WP      OWP     OOWP    SOS     RPI50   RPI     NAT   Pool        REG     OVR   CONF     Team
W   001   0.857   0.603   0.550   0.585   0.721   0.653   005   A   C      18-3    19-3   WIAC     UW-SP
W   002   0.895   0.533   0.538   0.535   0.715   0.625   007   A   C      17-2    20-2   MIAC     St. Thomas
W   003   0.818   0.621   0.549   0.597   0.708   0.652   010   C   003    18-4    18-4   WIAC     UW-W
W   004   0.895   0.510   0.534   0.518   0.706   0.612   011   A   C      17-2    19-2   NWC      Whitworth
W   005   0.941   0.420   0.516   0.452   0.697   0.574   013   B   001    16-1    20-2   IND      Chapman
W   006   0.895   0.475   0.515   0.489   0.692   0.590   015   A   C      17-2    19-4   IIAC     Central
W   007   0.813   0.483   0.498   0.488   0.650   0.569   042   A   C      13-3    17-4   SCIAC    Claremont-MS
W   008   0.714   0.546   0.526   0.539   0.627   0.583   061   C   025    15-6    15-6   MIAC     Augsburg
W   009   0.667   0.572   0.560   0.568   0.617   0.593   069   C   031    14-7    15-8   WIAC     UW-LaX
W   010   0.684   0.489   0.511   0.497   0.590   0.544   092   C   051    13-6    14-8   IIAC     Cornell
W   011   0.588   0.613   0.551   0.592   0.590   0.591   094   C   053    10-7    13-9   WIAC     UW-Stout
W   012   0.652   0.524   0.528   0.525   0.589   0.557   095   C   054    15-8    15-8   MIAC     Hamline                                          

Under the scenario you described they would end up with an in region WP% of .708, which would be borderline for a Pool C bid.  Also, Sensei says the 7 in region losses is at the tipping point. The Dawgs would need to have all of the conference tournaments go according to seeds. My guess is they are still on the outside looking in on selection Sunday.

[piperinsider]

As some famous guy once said:
"Hey, it was a nice run."

PI... What a roller coaster ride this season was. Regardless, it was fun talking HU hoops with you this season.

Hopefully Whitmore and the staff can keep the core group of returners around and add a couple of pieces.

Best of luck to the four remaining teams. CAR poses a tough match up for UST. If I'm Kalland, I already have my guys in the gym shooting free throws this morning. UST has the edge at home, but CAR had a never die will about them last night that makes teams extremely dangerous this time of year.

(Drake, AO, Sum)Okay, if AUG beats GAC and loses to UST, do they have any pool C opportunities? It seems to me they would atleast get some kind of consideration.

It was a fun ride. The most fun I've had with a MIAC season since 2002-03 when the Pipers got within a game of the playoffs. The finish isn't what I was hoping for, but I think it's a start to something good if Whitmore chooses to stick with it for a couple of years.

The way the Pipers and Brown finished the season, I think it's clear what one player meant the most to its team. When Ray wasn't on (SJU and CAR), the Pipers just weren't the same.

[huhoops]

HuHoops, The unoffical rankings through Sunday were:

REG   #   WP      OWP     OOWP    SOS     RPI50   RPI     NAT   Pool        REG     OVR   CONF     Team
W   001   0.857   0.603   0.550   0.585   0.721   0.653   005   A   C      18-3    19-3   WIAC     UW-SP
W   002   0.895   0.533   0.538   0.535   0.715   0.625   007   A   C      17-2    20-2   MIAC     St. Thomas
W   003   0.818   0.621   0.549   0.597   0.708   0.652   010   C   003    18-4    18-4   WIAC     UW-W
W   004   0.895   0.510   0.534   0.518   0.706   0.612   011   A   C      17-2    19-2   NWC      Whitworth
W   005   0.941   0.420   0.516   0.452   0.697   0.574   013   B   001    16-1    20-2   IND      Chapman
W   006   0.895   0.475   0.515   0.489   0.692   0.590   015   A   C      17-2    19-4   IIAC     Central
W   007   0.813   0.483   0.498   0.488   0.650   0.569   042   A   C      13-3    17-4   SCIAC    Claremont-MS
W   008   0.714   0.546   0.526   0.539   0.627   0.583   061   C   025    15-6    15-6   MIAC     Augsburg
W   009   0.667   0.572   0.560   0.568   0.617   0.593   069   C   031    14-7    15-8   WIAC     UW-LaX
W   010   0.684   0.489   0.511   0.497   0.590   0.544   092   C   051    13-6    14-8   IIAC     Cornell
W   011   0.588   0.613   0.551   0.592   0.590   0.591   094   C   053    10-7    13-9   WIAC     UW-Stout
W   012   0.652   0.524   0.528   0.525   0.589   0.557   095   C   054    15-8    15-8   MIAC     Hamline                                          

Under the scenario you described they would end up with an in region WP% of .708, which would be borderline for a Pool C bid.  Also, Sensei says the 7 in region losses is at the tipping point. The Dawgs would need to have all of the conference tournaments go according to seeds. My guess is they are still on the outside looking in on selection Sunday.

Thanks Sum. In that case, I'm pulling for them big time against GAC. It would be a shame if a league as competitive as the MIAC (has been this year) didn't get more than one team in the dance.

[AO]

HuHoops, The unoffical rankings through Sunday were:

REG   #   WP      OWP     OOWP    SOS     RPI50   RPI     NAT   Pool        REG     OVR   CONF     Team
W   001   0.857   0.603   0.550   0.585   0.721   0.653   005   A   C      18-3    19-3   WIAC     UW-SP
W   002   0.895   0.533   0.538   0.535   0.715   0.625   007   A   C      17-2    20-2   MIAC     St. Thomas
W   003   0.818   0.621   0.549   0.597   0.708   0.652   010   C   003    18-4    18-4   WIAC     UW-W
W   004   0.895   0.510   0.534   0.518   0.706   0.612   011   A   C      17-2    19-2   NWC      Whitworth
W   005   0.941   0.420   0.516   0.452   0.697   0.574   013   B   001    16-1    20-2   IND      Chapman
W   006   0.895   0.475   0.515   0.489   0.692   0.590   015   A   C      17-2    19-4   IIAC     Central
W   007   0.813   0.483   0.498   0.488   0.650   0.569   042   A   C      13-3    17-4   SCIAC    Claremont-MS
W   008   0.714   0.546   0.526   0.539   0.627   0.583   061   C   025    15-6    15-6   MIAC     Augsburg
W   009   0.667   0.572   0.560   0.568   0.617   0.593   069   C   031    14-7    15-8   WIAC     UW-LaX
W   010   0.684   0.489   0.511   0.497   0.590   0.544   092   C   051    13-6    14-8   IIAC     Cornell
W   011   0.588   0.613   0.551   0.592   0.590   0.591   094   C   053    10-7    13-9   WIAC     UW-Stout
W   012   0.652   0.524   0.528   0.525   0.589   0.557   095   C   054    15-8    15-8   MIAC     Hamline                                          

Under the scenario you described they would end up with an in region WP% of .708, which would be borderline for a Pool C bid.  Also, Sensei says the 7 in region losses is at the tipping point. The Dawgs would need to have all of the conference tournaments go according to seeds. My guess is they are still on the outside looking in on selection Sunday.

Thanks Sum. In that case, I'm pulling for them big time against GAC. It would be a shame if a league as competitive as the MIAC (has been this year) didn't get more than one team in the dance.

If I were an Augie fan, I'd be watching whitworth, central and claremont-ms.  They could get to the table very early and the committee would be looking at a team with 3 losses to St. Thomas and a very strong strength of schedule (boosted by the additional loss to the tommies).  In the end, 8 losses might just be too many to overcome.

[sumander]

Thanks Sum. In that case, I'm pulling for them big time against GAC. It would be a shame if a league as competitive as the MIAC (has been this year) didn't get more than one team in the dance.

Hu, While the MIAC is a competitive conference it is not perceived on a national level as a "power" conference in Men's hoops. See my quote below:

Keep in mind the last Pool C from the MIAC was the J's in 06/07. They went 1-1 in the tourney. Outside of last years near historic run through the "bracket of death" the MIAC has been less than stellar in the NCAA's. From the 04/05 season through the 07/08 season the MIAC had 2 Pool C bids. The other one beside the Johnnies was CAR in 05/06 with a 17-3 record. In the NCAA over the same time frame the MIAC was 2-5. You want to know why there isn't any respect???

[AO]

Thanks Sum. In that case, I'm pulling for them big time against GAC. It would be a shame if a league as competitive as the MIAC (has been this year) didn't get more than one team in the dance.

Hu, While the MIAC is a competitive conference it is not perceived on a national level as a "power" conference in Men's hoops. See my quote below:

Keep in mind the last Pool C from the MIAC was the J's in 06/07. They went 1-1 in the tourney. Outside of last years near historic run through the "bracket of death" the MIAC has been less than stellar in the NCAA's. From the 04/05 season through the 07/08 season the MIAC had 2 Pool C bids. The other one beside the Johnnies was CAR in 05/06 with a 17-3 record. In the NCAA over the same time frame the MIAC was 2-5. You want to know why there isn't any respect???

Past seasons do not matter at all.  The MIAC peformed very well in the non-conference season, boosting the strength of schedule for the MIAC to the best it's been in years.  If Augsburg doesn't get in, it'll be due to too many losses, not due to strength of schedule

[Willy Wonka]

I didn't mention this before because, shockingly, it didn't greatly impact GAC's game against SJU...but Jeff Coombes ignored one of the most blatant moving screens I've ever seen. It happened right in front of the Johnnie bench that allowed one of their first 3s in their comeback push.

I don't remember which guy did it — I think it was Herman — but he looked like a lineman doing some stellar pass blocking on a football field. The first 8 guys on the Gustie bench literally jumped out of their seats at the no-call. I think Hanson may have even been high enough to dunk it.

That's my roundabout way of saying I really, Really, REALLY hope Coombes isn't within 100 miles of St. Peter tomorrow night