MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Drake Palmer]

More from MSHSL legal dept...

9.   Transfer Student
   A transfer student is one who discontinues enrollment and attendance in any high school, public or non-public, located in a public school district attendance area and enrolls and attends classes in any other high school in Minnesota.

DOMESTIC STUDENTS
1.   A transfer student is eligible for varsity competition provided the student was in good standing on the date of withdrawal from the last school the student attended and one (1) of the provisions in Section 2 (below) is met.

2.   A transfer student is eligible for varsity competition if:
   A.   9th Grade Option:  the student is enrolling in 9th grade for the first time;
   B.   Family Residence Change:  the student transfers from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area at any time during the calendar year in which there is a change of residence and occupancy in Minnesota by the student's parents.  If the student's parents move from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area, the student will be eligible in the new public school attendance area or a non-public school if the student transfers at the same time the student's parents move.

If the parents move from one public school district attendance area to another, the student shall continue to be fully eligible if the student continues enrollment in the prior school for the balance of the current marking period or for the balance of the academic school year.  If the student elects either of the current enrollment options above, the student will be fully eligible upon transfer to the new school.

A student who elects not to transfer upon a parent's change in residence shall continue to be eligible at the school in which the student is currently enrolled.
   C.   Court Ordered Residence Change for Child Protection:  The student's residence is changed pursuant to a child protection order placement in a foster home, or a juvenile court disposition order.
   D.   Custody of Student:  A student of divorced parents who have joint physical custody of the student may move from one custodial parent to the other custodial parent and be fully eligible at the time of the move.  The student may utilize this provision only one time during grades 9-12 inclusive.
   E.   Move From Out of State:  If a student's parents move to Minnesota from a state or country outside of Minnesota and if the student moves at the same time the parent establishes a residence in a Minnesota public school district attendance area, the student shall be eligible at the first school the student attends in Minnesota.
   F.   Enrollment Options Program:  A student who utilizes Minnesota Statute 124D.03 Enrollment Options Program, and transfers without a corresponding change of residence by the student's parents shall elect one of the following:
      1)   retain full eligibility for varsity competition for one (1) calendar year at the school where the student was enrolled prior to the transfer after which time the student shall become fully eligible at the school to which the student has open enrolled; or
      2)   be eligible only at the non-varsity level in the school to which the student has open enrolled for one (1) calendar year.
3.   If none of the provisions in Section 2 (above) are met, the student is ineligible for varsity competition for a period of one (1) calendar year beginning with the first day of attendance in the new school.
   A.   Students are immediately eligible for competition at the non-varsity level.
   B.   A student may not obtain eligibility as a result of a transfer.  If at the time of transfer the student was not fully eligible in the previous school, the student shall be ineligible in the new school.  A student who was not in good standing at the time of transfer shall be ineligible until the penalty from the previous school has been served.
   C.   Each time a student transfers and the conditions of the transfer do not meet any of the provisions of Section 2 (above), the student will be ineligible for varsity competition for a period of one (1) calendar year beginning with the first day of attendance at the new school.  For example, if a student while serving a one-year transfer suspension transfers to another school and none of the provisions of Section 2 (above) are met, an additional one-year suspension will be applied.  The student will begin serving the additional one-year suspension immediately following the completion of the previous one-year suspension.

The Minnesota State High School League Board of Directors has established a due process procedure for a student or parent who believes the bylaws of the League have been misinterpreted by the student's school administrator(s) who are charged by the school to determine the student's eligibility.  A student who represents the student's school in competition between member schools at the varsity, junior varsity or sophomore B-squad level must be fully eligible to do so, and the student or the student's parents who wish to contest a school's failure to certify the eligibility of a student may do so as identified in the Fair Hearing Procedure identified at the beginning of the 300 series of bylaws in the most current League Official Handbook.

FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENTS
Foreign exchange students shall be limited to one calendar year of high school eligibility commencing with their first day of attendance.  A foreign exchange student who is enrolled in and attending a Minnesota high school will be eligible to participate in varsity competition provided that the student meets all of the conditions listed below.
1.   The student must be under the auspices of, and be placed with, a host family by an international student exchange program that has been approved for listing by the Council on Standards for International Educational Travel (CSIET) and be recognized by the U.S. Department of State.
   A.   The foreign exchange program must assign students to host families by a method that ensures that no student, student's parents, school, or other interested party may influence the assignment for athletic or other purposes.
   B.   The foreign exchange student may not be selected or placed on any basis related to their athletic interests or abilities.
2.   A foreign exchange student is considered to be placed with a host family when written notice of placement is provided by the exchange organization to the student and the student's parents, and to the host family.
   A.   Neither the school the student attends nor any person associated with the host school shall have input into the selection of the student.
   B.   No member of the school's coaching staff, paid or voluntary, shall serve as the host family.
3.   The foreign exchange student must possess a current J-1 visa issued by the U.S. Department of State.  The foreign exchange student must comply with all League eligibility requirements. A completed Foreign Exchange Student Registration Form must be provided to the high school principal and approved by the League office before the student is eligible for varsity competition.

OTHER INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS
An international student who is enrolled in and attending a Minnesota high school and who is not under the auspices of and placed by a Council on the Standards for International Educational Travel (CSIET) listed exchange program is ineligible for varsity competition. International students shall be limited to one calendar year of B-squad or junior varsity eligibility commencing with their first day of attendance provided that the student meets all of the following conditions:
1.   The student must possess a current F-1 visa issued by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service.
2.   The student must provide the principal of the school the student attends an official untranslated transcript, as well as a transcript that is translated into English by an acceptable agent or agency, that indicates work taken in all grades in which the student was enrolled.
3.   The international student must pay tuition to the high school the student attends as prescribed in Section 625 of U.S. Public Law 104-208.
4.   No member of the school's coaching staff, paid or voluntary, shall serve as the resident family for the student.
5.   The international student must comply with all League eligibility requirements, and a completed International Student Registration Form must be provided to the high school principal and approved by the League office before the student is eligible for B-squad or junior varsity competition.

These transfer rules apply to all member schools of the MSHSL - public, private, or charter.

There's slightly more to it than this, but basically a kid has one free transfer during his high school years without it impacting the student's eligibility. From public to public, private to public, it doesn't matter.  However, after the first transfer other restrictions enter the picture.

[Drake Palmer]

...The financial piece for schools is determined by per pupil unit.  High school students no matter what their socioeconomic or public, private, or charter school status are all worth the same amount of money.

PI- I don't think Johnson is necessarily beating teams because of their depth although it helps.  From watching them it looks like it is their relentless defense and their unselfishness.  I expect to see Johnson in the title game against De LaSalle or Benilde.

I agree with AO on the homeschooling and charter issue.  I disagree with Charters being a joke.  The same teachers who teach in the public schools teach in the charter schools.  They receive the same training.  Charters give students a chance to be successful in a nontraditional setting. 

AO- the multiple classes means multiple champions.  It is similar to what you stated about some charters not being able to beat Hopkins Jr. High team.  It is the same for some of the smaller schools.  This gives more schools a chance to feel the success of going to state.  If I'm not mistaken there was an all class state tournament in the 90's.  "The Sweet Sixteen"  I believe they took four schools from the four classes and put them in a tournament together.

Hoops -  St. Paul Johnson's strengths are depth & their defense. If you haven't read today's edition of the Pioneer Press, here's what their coach had to say:

[Gregory Sager]

To me, charter schools are a complete academic joke and should be done away with, along with home schooling. To be a good educator, you need proper training, and most charter schools and nearly all home school "teachers" woefully lack that training.

Charter schools/home schools are far from a academic joke.  They do a better job with less money than the minneapolis or st. paul public schools.  Kevin Noreen's academic record is not the record up for debate here.  I don't get where the potshot at home-schoolers comes from either?  Northwestern had a relatively high proportion of home-schoolers and they were all very good students.

Yep. I'd say that miacmaniac has it exactly backwards. Aside from the civil-liberties questions raised by the prospect of "doing away with" home-schooling, empirical studies done by independent educational researchers have shown that home-schooled students typically outperform mainstream students on standardized tests and do at least equally as well in college as mainstream students. Here's one example of said studies, plus a related Wall Street Journal article:

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdocs2sql/content_storage_01/0000019b/80/1c/1c/bb.pdf

http://www.oakmeadow.com/resources/articles/WSJArticle.htm

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...The financial piece for schools is determined by per pupil unit.  High school students no matter what their socioeconomic or public, private, or charter school status are all worth the same amount of money.

PI- I don't think Johnson is necessarily beating teams because of their depth although it helps.  From watching them it looks like it is their relentless defense and their unselfishness.  I expect to see Johnson in the title game against De LaSalle or Benilde.

I agree with AO on the homeschooling and charter issue.  I disagree with Charters being a joke.  The same teachers who teach in the public schools teach in the charter schools.  They receive the same training.  Charters give students a chance to be successful in a nontraditional setting.  

AO- the multiple classes means multiple champions.  It is similar to what you stated about some charters not being able to beat Hopkins Jr. High team.  It is the same for some of the smaller schools.  This gives more schools a chance to feel the success of going to state.  If I'm not mistaken there was an all class state tournament in the 90's.  "The Sweet Sixteen"  I believe they took four schools from the four classes and put them in a tournament together.

Hoops -  St. Paul Johnson's strengths are depth & their defense. If you haven't read today's edition of the Pioneer Press, here's what their coach had to say:

You can't have relentless defense without depth. You'd run out of gas at about the same time as the other team.

Just came across the e-mail....(only a week late on the discussion)

St. Paul, Minn. -- Three Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) men's basketball student-athletes have received 2010 D3hoops.com All-West Region honors.

Saint Mary's University first-year forward Chris Palmer (Faribault, Minn./Bethlehem Academy) was named the D3hoops.com West Region Rookie of the Year.

Concordia College junior forward John Fraase (Bismarck, N.D./Century) was chosen as a second team All-Region selection while University of St. Thomas junior guard Tyler Nicolai (Minnetonka, Minn./Hopkins) was selected for the All-Region third team.

Players were nominated for these awards by the Sports Information Directors at the various schools. There were 676 players nominated nationwide, a new high. The ballot was then made available to SIDs, who voted for 10 players in their region. SIDs voted for six frontcourt players and four backcourt players, to ensure balance. The regional Rookie of the Year award has returned for a third season, honoring the top freshman in each region. Regions that have fewer than 40 Division III teams have two teams, while all other regions have three teams.

For shame West region SIDs (that voted)....

[Pat Coleman]

Yes -- this was discussed in brief earlier.

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Well, how about this then? Weird, the NABC picked two different forwards. They must be followers of D3Hoops West Region, MIAC board.

Three Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) men's basketball student-athletes have been named to the 2010 National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) All-District Team for the West Region.

University of St. Thomas junior guard Tyler Nicolai (Minnetonka, Minn./Hopkins) was a first team All-District selection. Saint John's University junior forward Aaron Burtzel (Cold Spring, Minn./Rocori) and Hamline University junior center Carl Hipp (Little Canada, Minn./Totino-Grace) were both named second team selections.

Member coaches of the NABC selected the 88 student-athletes from eight districts that received All-District status. Those 88 are now eligible for the State Farm Coaches' Division III All-America teams, selected by the NABC.

[Pat Coleman]

Not surprised. I suspect coaches spread the word better about how bogus the MIAC All-Conference team is.

[Gregory Sager]

Speaking of which, how long has the MIAC had the policy in place of naming a supersized All-Conference team?

[papahoops]

Well, how about this then? Weird, the NABC picked two different forwards. They must be followers of D3Hoops West Region, MIAC board.

Three Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) men's basketball student-athletes have been named to the 2010 National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) All-District Team for the West Region.

University of St. Thomas junior guard Tyler Nicolai (Minnetonka, Minn./Hopkins) was a first team All-District selection. Saint John's University junior forward Aaron Burtzel (Cold Spring, Minn./Rocori) and Hamline University junior center Carl Hipp (Little Canada, Minn./Totino-Grace) were both named second team selections.

Member coaches of the NABC selected the 88 student-athletes from eight districts that received All-District status. Those 88 are now eligible for the State Farm Coaches' Division III All-America teams, selected by the NABC.

Thanks for the update PI. It would appear the coaches have a better understanding of good performance than SID's
As for the supersized MIAC all conference selection list, those who want input on more select first and second all conference team rankings can always review the CSN all conference teams, which do not wimp out like the MIAC group all conference listing. Note all three of the all region NABC selections were on CSN's MIAC first team, further proof of the NABC's accuracy

[TommieHoops4Life]

As for open enrollment, I can't blame any parent for keeping their kids out of the aforementioned city schools.  I'm more proud of a team of players who chose to go to my local high school, rather than those kids who happened to live near the school.  I doubt your claim that local business isn't supporting the teams anymore.  I've seen posters in businesses and ads in programs everywhere I've went.  There certainly is better support per capita in the rural communities like the one I grew up in, but I don't think Hopkins is missing your attendance at their games too much.

AO, I may be wrong but I think you're missing the point here. Say you were a parent of a Hopkins kid who plays basketball, works his tail off to make varsity by the time he's a senior only to have some kid like Royce White come in and take a spot, which in turn puts your kid on the bench. The kid goes through all the local youth programs, finally makes it and has his spot taken away by a transfer. I can see why this might ruffle a few feathers. I don't think it's fair, but not much in life is anymore. I think we're all kidding ourselves if we honestly believe Apple Valley doesn't "recruit" a little for wrestling and the same goes for Hopkins with hoops. When kids openly admit in the Strib that they transfer from a school because they want to be on a state championship caliber team, that's when it gets hairy for me.

Most teams have to go out and do their own fundraising for city support (i.e. car washes, pizza coupons). I only have the example of Northfield, where the local booster club is heavily involved with all the sports and the businesses are pretty good about advertising.

Looking forward to some state hoops this week. I won't be in attendace for Day 1 like I have the last two years, but I hope to watch some on TV. I'd really like to see what the hype about Noreen is all about. Any time a kid signs with a school like Boston College, he is legit regardless of where he plays or who he faces.

[Buddo]

Random thoughts part 2...

*Speaking of the HS State tourney- another former MIAC coach who brought his team to state is former Hamline coach – Barry Wohler who is now coaching at Orono.  In addition to his son, Brady (?) he's got a very nice 2G in JR Jordan Smith.  I would think most of the MIAC schools would be hot on this kids' trail.  Nice, smooth player. I think he's been a starter since 9th grade.

From the looks of Jordan Smith's rivals page, there's no way he ends up in the MIAC unless he takes a Ray Brown route... http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesotapreps/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Smith-92456

I had the chance to watch Kevin Noreen last year. He has an unorthodox shooting style and is simply crazy efficient around the rim... I see him starting by his Jr. year at BC.

[AO]

As for open enrollment, I can't blame any parent for keeping their kids out of the aforementioned city schools.  I'm more proud of a team of players who chose to go to my local high school, rather than those kids who happened to live near the school.  I doubt your claim that local business isn't supporting the teams anymore.  I've seen posters in businesses and ads in programs everywhere I've went.  There certainly is better support per capita in the rural communities like the one I grew up in, but I don't think Hopkins is missing your attendance at their games too much.

AO, I may be wrong but I think you're missing the point here. Say you were a parent of a Hopkins kid who plays basketball, works his tail off to make varsity by the time he's a senior only to have some kid like Royce White come in and take a spot, which in turn puts your kid on the bench. The kid goes through all the local youth programs, finally makes it and has his spot taken away by a transfer. I can see why this might ruffle a few feathers. I don't think it's fair, but not much in life is anymore. I think we're all kidding ourselves if we honestly believe Apple Valley doesn't "recruit" a little for wrestling and the same goes for Hopkins with hoops. When kids openly admit in the Strib that they transfer from a school because they want to be on a state championship caliber team, that's when it gets hairy for me.

I'm sure Royce did send someone to the bench, though I'm guessing he still got plenty of playing time with the way Hopkins blew teams out last year.  There were also more people watching him play because of Royce and he brought him a championship medal at the end of year.  Not too bad of a trade-off in my book.  How about the kid from De La Salle that got a starting spot after Royce left?

You're right, life isn't fair.  Unfortunately, I think we try to shield high schoolers from this fact.   They can't earn a spot by playing in the area youth leagues.  They don't need to start or even make varsity team to be a complete person.  They're making a lot of adult decisions, and I don't see any good reason to prohibit them from transferring schools.  It's not just that Hopkins is a good school with a good team, it's that the Minneapolis schools are well below average in many areas.  I'd guess that 95% of all transfers moved to a school with better or at least equal academics than their previous school.

Let's not forget that transferring is not a new phenomenon. 

Zone defense is all we've played in the past, and it's the only thing that'll work this year.
That's right, George.
For anything else our boys are too small but, remember,
we were 15 and 10 last year, and we got all our boys back but one.
Listen, I ain't interested in talking defense and I don't have a hair of a notion
why we hired someone who's been in the water for the last ten years.
The main point is we don't get Jimmy Chitwood back, we don't have a prayer.
He switches over to Terhune, we're in big trouble.

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Govs= stats champs.

We got Coombe on board. He already called a charge on Hutch when the guy bumped him the whole way down, almost knocking him to the floor. Really it doesn't matter. Johnson is so talented. Wow.

[johnniepress]

St. Cloud State heads to the NCAA Division II Final Four thanks to Taylor Witt's 43 points in 29 minutes (92-88 over Midwestern State, Texas).

[sumander]

St. Cloud State heads to the NCAA Division II Final Four thanks to Taylor Witt's 43 points in 29 minutes (92-88 over Midwestern State, Texas).

Potentially a feather in the J's hat........lose to bothe the D-lll and D-ll national champs in the same year!