MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OzJohnnie]

UST @ Bethel scheduled for tonight postponed due to COVID-19 protocols. Bummer.

You would think the teams would do CV like families with the chickenpox before that vaccine was developed.  Get all the players sick together in the offseason so they run the season without interruption.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

UST @ Bethel scheduled for tonight postponed due to COVID-19 protocols. Bummer.

You would think the teams would do CV like families with the chickenpox before that vaccine was developed.  Get all the players sick together in the offseason so they run the season without interruption.

If you check out my new Around the Nation column today, you'll see it's the teams that had covid early that are seeing testing complications now, with everyone through the "safe" window.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

UST @ Bethel scheduled for tonight postponed due to COVID-19 protocols. Bummer.

You would think the teams would do CV like families with the chickenpox before that vaccine was developed.  Get all the players sick together in the offseason so they run the season without interruption.

If you check out my new Around the Nation column today, you'll see it's the teams that had covid early that are seeing testing complications now, with everyone through the "safe" window.

Not to mention... imagine having everyone get the virus to "avoid problems later" and suddenly a student ends up in the hospital on a ventilator because either the virus got to them harder for reasons unknown or they had an unknown underlying condition. That's a hell of a way to find out about a health problem ... AND the school, department, team, even coach are going to be in serious hot water from a lot of different places for such an idea.

And before anyone says students are the least likely to get sick, yes that is what general statistics do say ... however, that doesn't mean students aren't going to get it. A friend and former colleague of mine's son is a Tennessee student. He's a sophomore or junior. Last fall he was in the hospital and ICU for two weeks - nearly had serious surgery to fight back a covid infection. He needed physical therapy just to learn to walk again (which I can appreciate) and will have scars the rest of his life from all the tubes and such that he had in his body. It's great to throw around "well stats say" until it hits someone you know...

[jamtod]

UST @ Bethel scheduled for tonight postponed due to COVID-19 protocols. Bummer.

You would think the teams would do CV like families with the chickenpox before that vaccine was developed.  Get all the players sick together in the offseason so they run the season without interruption.

If you check out my new Around the Nation column today, you'll see it's the teams that had covid early that are seeing testing complications now, with everyone through the "safe" window.

Not to mention... imagine having everyone get the virus to "avoid problems later" and suddenly a student ends up in the hospital on a ventilator because either the virus got to them harder for reasons unknown or they had an unknown underlying condition. That's a hell of a way to find out about a health problem ... AND the school, department, team, even coach are going to be in serious hot water from a lot of different places for such an idea.

And before anyone says students are the least likely to get sick, yes that is what general statistics do say ... however, that doesn't mean students aren't going to get it. A friend and former colleague of mine's son is a Tennessee student. He's a sophomore or junior. Last fall he was in the hospital and ICU for two weeks - nearly had serious surgery to fight back a covid infection. He needed physical therapy just to learn to walk again (which I can appreciate) and will have scars the rest of his life from all the tubes and such that he had in his body. It's great to throw around "well stats say" until it hits someone you know...

I've done some reading on this, as pertains to long-term effects on college athletes. Data is still preliminary but a study at Ohio State showed 30% of football players with "heart damage."
I guess still TBD what that means long term, whether it's something that will resolve itself or make one more susceptible to future heart problems. But that's among the issues with the chicken pox COVID party approach.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

UST @ Bethel scheduled for tonight postponed due to COVID-19 protocols. Bummer.

You would think the teams would do CV like families with the chickenpox before that vaccine was developed.  Get all the players sick together in the offseason so they run the season without interruption.

If you check out my new Around the Nation column today, you'll see it's the teams that had covid early that are seeing testing complications now, with everyone through the "safe" window.

Not to mention... imagine having everyone get the virus to "avoid problems later" and suddenly a student ends up in the hospital on a ventilator because either the virus got to them harder for reasons unknown or they had an unknown underlying condition. That's a hell of a way to find out about a health problem ... AND the school, department, team, even coach are going to be in serious hot water from a lot of different places for such an idea.

And before anyone says students are the least likely to get sick, yes that is what general statistics do say ... however, that doesn't mean students aren't going to get it. A friend and former colleague of mine's son is a Tennessee student. He's a sophomore or junior. Last fall he was in the hospital and ICU for two weeks - nearly had serious surgery to fight back a covid infection. He needed physical therapy just to learn to walk again (which I can appreciate) and will have scars the rest of his life from all the tubes and such that he had in his body. It's great to throw around "well stats say" until it hits someone you know...

I've done some reading on this, as pertains to long-term effects on college athletes. Data is still preliminary but a study at Ohio State showed 30% of football players with "heart damage."
I guess still TBD what that means long term, whether it's something that will resolve itself or make one more susceptible to future heart problems. But that's among the issues with the chicken pox COVID party approach.

Then there's studies like this one (OK, so no Aussies or Johnnies were involved in the study but it is still valid research):

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid19-coronavirus-heart-injury-college-athletes-sports

or stories like these:   

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2904115-report-at-least-10-big-ten-football-players-have-heart-condition-myocarditis
https://www.bet.com/news/sports/2020/10/16/college-football-covid-19-players-heart-problems-coronavirus.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-linked-heart-inflammation-college-athletes-small-study-suggests-n1239875

Also, I seem to remember reading about a healthy 9 yr old who now has serious lung damage after a "slight" case of COVID with "mild" symptoms and will likely have those issues the rest of his/her life. 

[OzJohnnie]

Then don't participate.  Right?  There are both short-term and long-term risks from many choices.  Don't make those choices if you are unwilling to take the risk.  Anyways, I guess that's outdated thinking, personal empowerment and all.

In this tweet thread Brown U epidemiologist Andrew Bostrom, MD, MS highlights that in the 26k covid infections reported upon return to school at 29 universities there wasn't a single hospitalisation.  Zero.  Not one.

https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1303401597221957640

So, my question here is this: How does the risk profile of CV match up against all the other risks that people are "allowed" to assume at their own discretion.  Injury or disablement?  Other viruses?  Drugs and alcohol?  Driving a car? It certainly seems to me that with CV we have assumed a risk intolerance to far outside of the norm as to be completely unjustifiable.  And as to sports participation specifically, we've had many sports in many parts of the world underway.  Have participants been more or less likely to contract covid than non-participants?  Surely there is data by now to inform decision-making this important.

[OzJohnnie]

Also, who are the weak-kneed Lilliputians who can't see a post like this they don't like without pinging negative karma.  Talk about the most beta, passive-aggressive, basement-dwelling approach to life possible.  Bloody hell.

[jamtod]

Then don't participate.  Right?  There are both short-term and long-term risks from many choices.  Don't make those choices if you are unwilling to take the risk.  Anyways, I guess that's outdated thinking, personal empowerment and all.

Seeing as teams didn't decide that having a COVID chicken pox party in the off-season was the best way to approach this, it seems that they just decided it was a bad idea. I thought we were discussing your idea for them to intentionally infect themselves as the solution to being able to have a season (after weighing the risks), not whether teams would be able to take proper precautions and risk mitigation to have a limited season at this point. Regardless, all of these things have been hashed and rehashed already, so I'll just say I was bummed not to be watching UST basketball on the livestream tonight.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Sp tonight's full slate of men's hoops games, all the women's games except CSB-Concordia and all hockey of both genders except SJU-St. Scholastica have been postponed, presumably due to COVID protocol.  So I'm stuck pretending to care about the TWs game on the tube tonight and the TWs are just plain bad basketball.

[bball1122]

UST @ Bethel scheduled for tonight postponed due to COVID-19 protocols. Bummer.

You would think the teams would do CV like families with the chickenpox before that vaccine was developed.  Get all the players sick together in the offseason so they run the season without interruption.

I've been reading this board for a long time, and this is probably the dumbest post I've read.

Also, I love that you are bemoaning the loss of "personal empowerment" and "weak-kneed Lilliputians" while you, posting anonymously to an internet message board, are encouraging otherwise healthy people to infect themselves with a virus that we don't know a ton about, just so they can play a sport, without compensation, and you can be entertained.  GTFOH with this stuff.

[jamtod]

St Thomas game against St Mary's scheduled for the 20th (and St John's vs Gustavus, among others) postponed which means it is now Tommie-Johnnie Week(s) with the game coming up on the 24th.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Very cool "essay" by UST's Riley Miller--- says a lot about the joy of hoops from a player's perspective

https://www.miacathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/20210217hhat55

[jamtod]

So are we going to get a Tommie Johnnie this week? Haven't heard anything to the contrary and the UST ladies finally got back on the court yesterday

[Retired Old Rat]

So are we going to get a Tommie Johnnie this week? Haven't heard anything to the contrary and the UST ladies finally got back on the court yesterday

Wish I could find a way to sneak in and watch the game live.

[faunch]

Last ever top 10 matchup on the U$T campus?
https://twitter.com/tommieathletics/status/1364332697208770567?s=21
The only likely possibility in the next 10-20 years is in men's or women's hockey...and that won't be played "on campus."