MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[piperinsider]

Congrats MIAC PP on 300.

[sumander]

Congrats MIAC PP on 300.

Only 1400 more and we will catch the FB board!

[sumander]

J's up 9, under 3:00 to go!

[Drake Palmer]

Knights announcer at the TO - "The Knights have just run into a blitzkrieg of Johnnies' shooting here in the 2nd half, up  69-60 just about puts the nail in the coffin."

[sumander]

Knights announcer at the TO - "The Knights have just run into a blitzkrieg of Johnnies' shooting here in the 2nd half, up  69-60 just about puts the nail in the coffin."

One thing you remember with the J's is: it ain't over til it's over!

[sumander]

J's win 73-71! Drake, did I miss Lieser making two FT and the end or what?

[Drake Palmer]

J's win 73-71! Drake, did I miss Lieser making two FT and the end or what?

I think you did.

I accidentally erased my last post, but basically I said that the Js seem like they're turning into the C-ville version of the T-wolves, a perimeter oriented team.  Generalization - perimeter teams seem to only have a passing interest in playing defense.  Mebbe this explains the Johnnies' tendency to let their foot off the gas?

[Drake Palmer]

Birds beat the Scots 81-73.  For Ynot fans - Heywood with 19 & Conboy with 22.

[columbianmaffia]

Because everyone seems to be on the schnettler bandwagon this year for best 2guard/overall guard in the miac ive decided to share a few stats with you people and would love to hear your response on how you can still think that after what i share.......
in 4 games he averages the MOST MINUTES per game on the team at 31.5
in 4 games he averages less then one assist a game...    .8 assists per game
in 4 games he averages  only 1.5 rebounds per game.
in 4 games he has a TOTAL of 3 steals on the year.
in 4 games he averages 19points per game

now for fun i decided to compare that to SJU's guards
Ohme- 3 games, 4.7 assists, 2.3 rebounds, 8 steals, 13.7 points per game
Leisure-3games, 3.7 assists, 2 rebounds, 7 steals, 19.7 points per game
westman-3games, 1.7 assists, 3.7 rebounds, 2 steals, 16 points per game

THEY ALL AVERAGE MORE assists, steals, and rebounds per game then schnettler and points is relatively close.  DO you still think he is the best guard in the league???  i rest my case!

i have a couple comments about this...first off i dont think you can say a player is the best at his position just based on stats...there is more that goes into a good player than just his stats...kind of like when people said neil anderson wasnt good because he didnt get enough rebounds when he really was a good player...i didnt hear anyone saying how great cheddar bob (LOP) was when he led the league in scoring for AUG a year or two ago when i dont think too many people would want him on their team...there is so much more that goes into being a great player than what your stats are....statments saying a player is great based on his stats are more ridiculous than 95% of my posts because that would be like saying mike james is better than manu ginobli because he had better stats last year

that being said i dont think schnettler is the best SG in the league

on a side note...my hot carls lost tonight...maybe another 0-3 start with 18 consecutive victories like last year?? prolly not but it would be cool beans

[TommieHoops4Life]

Johnnies escape from Carleton with a 73-71 victory. Up 69-66 in the closing minute, Lieser hits a floater from 10 feet on the baseline to put SJU up five. Kootsikas hits a three, then the Knights get a steal on the inbounds play, but Phillips' three to tie the game rims out. After SJU ft's, Johnson hits a meaningless three for the final margin. Johnnies were prett average for about 25-30 mins, but played well enough over the other 10 to get the W. Westman is a stud, kid was scoreless until the closing minutes of the first half, then hits three straight treys to put the J's up 34-30 at half. He also hit two jumpers in the second half to put SJU up 69-60 before the Knights made a comeback. Ohme only had 9 points, but was more of a floor leader tonight. Lieser is a nice player, had 17 and went 3-for-5 from three land. Phillips struggled shooting tonight for the Knights, was just 3-10 from the floor, all from three, just couldn't get it to fall. Johnson led Carleton with 18, Drake had 16, and Bryan Rosett, a crafty post, added 15. Johnnies came out in an ugly 1-3-1, and it didn't take long for the Knights to get them out of it, they gave up a couple easy looks and it was done from there.

As for the Schafer boys, all I hear on this board is about how good they are. Well, not tonight. They need to figure out how to walk and chew gum at the same time before they accomplish anything else. The SJU offense had little to no interest on getting the ball in the post to either of them. C. Schafer was scoreless until the last minute of the first half when he got two garbage buckets. S. Schafer didn't really impress me much either, I can't tell if he wants to be a 4 or a 3. At this point, or at least tonight, their only purpose was to be a waste of space. C. Schafer gets 6 points and 2 boards, while S. Schafer gets 6 and 7. Mediocre at best.

WW,

Keating has 20, 16 and 26 in his last three games. That taste good yet, or is it not consistent enough for you? He's been in double figures every game this year.

[Drake Palmer]

i have a couple comments about this...first off i dont think you can say a player is the best at his position just based on stats...there is more that goes into a good player than just his stats...kind of like when people said neil anderson wasnt good because he didnt get enough rebounds when he really was a good player...i didnt hear anyone saying how great cheddar bob (LOP) was when he led the league in scoring for AUG a year or two ago when i dont think too many people would want him on their team...there is so much more that goes into being a great player than what your stats are....statments saying a player is great based on his stats are more ridiculous than 95% of my posts because that would be like saying mike james is better than manu ginobli because he had better stats last year

that being said i dont think schnettler is the best SG in the league

on a side note...my hot carls lost tonight...maybe another 0-3 start with 18 consecutive victories like last year?? prolly not but it would be cool beans

Cmob - uhmm,  so if you don't like Schnettler, who do you think is the best 2G in the league?  I'm just curious to see how that mind of yours is thinking. 

[sjuforlife]

Columbia......i should state that i actually agree with you that stats dont mean everything.  But i also do believe that if people are going to make the claim he is the best 2 guard/overall guard in the league he sure as heck better average more then ONE ASSIST a game with ike and keating on his team, get more then ONE STEAL A GAME, and more then ONE REBOUND A GAME.

anywhoo, congrats to the johnnies.  by looking at the box score it seems as if they played pretty much flawless.  Only had 9 to's, westman was 5-7 from the 3 point line, ohme was a perfect 5-5 from the field. Liesure continued playing well.  Seems like maybe we still struggle to put teams away though which could hurt them later on.  Drake said SJU is a perimeter team which i agree to an extent but craig schaefer did lead us lasy game with 20 and our first game of the year fogt carried us with 17 pts 11 boards and 3 blocks, so im HOPING the johnnies are just noticing whats working during the game and going with it and thats why they continue to win.  

[Willy Wonka]

WW,

Keating has 20, 16 and 26 in his last three games. That taste good yet, or is it not consistent enough for you? He's been in double figures every game this year.

It looks like he may actually be earning a spot on the all-conference team this season after being shut out of even honorable mention a year ago, despite being gifted the MVP in the preseason on these boards. I'm not quite ready to sign Shocker's petition to designate him All-World yet, though.

Anyone have additional commentary to GAC's utterly shocking defeat of Bethel tonight?

On a sidenote, I can't believe I'm contemplating driving 5 hours Wednesday night to watch girls basketball when the boys are playing 5.1 hours away...

[bleednavyblue_GoBU]

Wow...looks like the BET/GAC and SJU/CAR matchups did not dissapoint!! Not to mention a overtime game down at St. Olaf

I was at Bethel tonight and the game might still be too fresh so my comments may be emotionally charged...Also I can't get a box score...so don't have exact stats

first of all...Wittwer was the MVP...he did everything out there for the Gusties tonight.  Would have liked him to join his high school running mate (Madson) and wear the navy and gold for his college career, but things didn't work out.

Moberg had a very good game inside for Bethel, and Charles hit some big shots.  The big guys for Gustavus were overmatched...but made up for it with effort.  I thought early on that they could not keep up that physical play for the entire game...but to their credit they stayed physical for the whole game and that was the difference.   Sowden may have turned it over in the last couple of minutes...but I would take him on my team any day of the week...I respect that kid!

That being said...I don't think you can blow that whistle with 7 seconds left.  The game was very physcial and they were letting them play so that is a no call.  First of all it was a travel by wittwer.  He slid that pivot foot for sure, and I think it was obvious to anyone that was there.  Then...wittwer is off balance throwing a shot at the rim and he calls a foul.  Unbelievable...The biggest bail out call I seen in a while.  That is ok...don't call the travel...but then you definately don't bail him out with a foul.  I would LOVE to hear anyone else's comments on that play if they were there???  Maybe I am completely biased...

Anyway you look at it...it was a very good early season conference matchup... and the second one should be just as good.  Knowing these two teams there will be a third as well!!

[columbianmaffia]

i have a couple comments about this...first off i dont think you can say a player is the best at his position just based on stats...there is more that goes into a good player than just his stats...kind of like when people said neil anderson wasnt good because he didnt get enough rebounds when he really was a good player...i didnt hear anyone saying how great cheddar bob (LOP) was when he led the league in scoring for AUG a year or two ago when i dont think too many people would want him on their team...there is so much more that goes into being a great player than what your stats are....statments saying a player is great based on his stats are more ridiculous than 95% of my posts because that would be like saying mike james is better than manu ginobli because he had better stats last year

that being said i dont think schnettler is the best SG in the league

on a side note...my hot carls lost tonight...maybe another 0-3 start with 18 consecutive victories like last year?? prolly not but it would be cool beans

Cmob - uhmm,  so if you don't like Schnettler, who do you think is the best 2G in the league?  I'm just curious to see how that mind of yours is thinking. 

well i dont think in the miac you can really say there is a best pg, 2g, 3g, 4 or 5...i think its either your the best guard or the best post in the leauge because there are too many players that are interchangable...there is only a true center every now and then in the miac so that would lump all the big men as forwards in my opinion...there are some true pg's in the miac but even some of them could get away with playing a 2 or a 3 and there are some 4s that could pass for guards...i understad why everyone talks about players as pg, 2g ect because it makes for good conversation and interesting view points from many different minds and it is fun to argue and read but i think if we want a true arguement i think it comes down to who is the best forward and gaurd in the league...i would qualify Ike as the best center in the league although if he was at a higher level it could be debated that he would play a 3 or a 4 just because some colleges would expect him to develope perimeter skills...so then i think it comes down to who is the best forward and guard in the league...this i cant argue because i only have a good idea of what about 4 or 5 teams have right now...

i dont think schnettler is the best guard in the league because i have never seen him do anything but run off screens...but the counter arguement would be that is what the coach is asking him to do...maybe the coach wants him to try to wear the defense down by running off so many screens so when it gets later in the game he wont have to work as hard to get open and he will get good looks at the basket...if he is just doing what is asked of him for the good of the team then he is a great player who just wants what is best for the team and is not worried about how many times he drives to the bucket

if schnettler only gets one rebound a game that doesnt bother me so much because of all the time he spends on the perimeter he is more likely to be the player that is asked to fall back on D when the shot goes up and if he doesnt have that many ast. it could just mean when he comes off the screen he is open for the shot so he shoots...i dont know UST offensive scheme but if he is the first option it might not be in the offense for him to hit a guy for an open jumper...teams might also be rotating well if they try to help off the screen and when he passes the ball it might get swung to another player....there is just too many things that go into it to base how good someone is off numbers...i think you have to consistantly watch the player and how the team goes about their offense (not just 3 or 4 games a year) and then use the numbers to stregthen your arguement instead of using numbers to make an arguement

all in all...i would like to have him on my team if i were playing

geeze louise...i spent so much time on that post that my mexican jumping beans bounced away from me and are now playing a game of chinese checkers