MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[miacwatchmen]

VOJ,

I really don't have anything against SJU and I don't have an axe to grind.  In my opinion UW Oshkosh and UW Lacrosse deserved to be in the tourney more than SJU.  Being a basketball purist, I just wish the best teams were in period.  I know that doesn't always happen.  I feel the need to talk about SJU because people on here brag them up and I just don't believe they are for real.  I mean come on, someone compared Westman to Schnettler.  That is a joke. 

Being one of those people who "brag up the Johnnies on here" I think the Johnnies are a solid team. When I brag it is to get the goats of the other posters. I aim to have fun on this board and bragging is a way to do it. I just love it when people get all fired up about something as silly as "The Johnnie Bandwagon". We made it up and we keep using it because it makes posters just like yourself, Dunkmachine, mad.

As for the comparison between Schnettler and Westman. I believe the comparison was made by one SJU4life. I think we can look at his comments about the Tommies defense a few pages back and see that he is a poster that doesn't know what he's talking about. He was running his mouth without facts AGAIN.

Cheers to the Bandwagon!  That puppy put on a lot of miles during the season and was a lot of fun.

... and don't anyone say that the Johnnies were half foam as they were better than 9 out of the remaining 10 MIAC teams.  They are still playing, which means the Bandwagon is still rolling!

Well said Nites, + K for posting this little gem.

[sju4life]

Sorry its kind of long!!!

Can someone please explain to me why I can not compare that schnettler and westman are alike and that schnettler is no better then westie??  Everyone on this board wants to compare due to westmans last two games against the tommies!!  Since i never use "facts" hopefully this helps my arguement!  Last year Westman shot a better 3 point percentage then schnettler.  This year they both had extremely close percentages again until the last two tommie johnnie games! but westie is still above 40% shooting 3 pointers and fg's.  Gilbert areneas (spelling??) was 1-12 recently against the twolves, so can you say mike james is WAY better because he out played gilbert that night??  Cmon everyone has bad shooting nights..INCLUDING SCHNETTLER...how about his 6-23 (26%) shooting at lacrosse and 5-17 from the 3 point range, thats pretty terrible i would say. Everyone has bad games so how can you compare after those 2 games??  The difference in stats isnt because of the player....its the system...
Schnettler has taken close to 100 more shots then tyler this year but thats because he has too. Look at the tommies they dont really get any scoring from their bench and dwyer and lonnie dont do a whole lot either, they need schnettler to put up more shots. SJU has westie, liesure, craig s, ohme, and scott schaefer, plus 6 man of the year brink, and fogt all who can get pts for the team!  schnett plays close to or more then 38+mins a game and gets those 4 extra shots to get 19.7ppg.  If tyler took 4 more shots  a game to equal schnett and followed his own 41% shooting that would average to about 3 more points a game giving him around 17-18 ppg which is side by side with schnett and they share close to the same shooting percentages.  so how can I not compare???

[Gregory Sager]

heeding the wisdom of guru sager, i've been jumping around the national boards lately.  I pulled this blurb from  David Collinge in the 2007 College Basketball Invitational.    Below is a list of D3ers invited and the link to the website.

Mike Hoyt    5'9"    Mount St. Mary    NCAA D-III
Amir Mazarei    5'11"    Redlands    NCAA D-III
Brian Williams    6'0"    Whitworth    NCAA D- III
Tori Davis    6'3"    Baldwin Wallace    NCAA D-III
Brandon Adair    6'5"    VA Wesleyan    NCAA D-III
Tom Port    6'5"    Wooster     NCAA D-III
Jason Boone    6'6"    NY University    NCAA D-III
Sam Betty    6'7"    Occidental    NCAA D-III
Tyler Ousley    6'8"    Otterbein    NCAA D-III
Dane Borchers    6'8"    Wittenberg    NCAA D-III
Timothy Broomfield    6'8"    Mississippi College    NCAA Div. III
Isaac Rosefelt    6'9"    St. Thomas (MN)    NCAA D-III
Jacob Nonemacher    7'0"    UW-Stout    NCAA D-III
Kerry Gibson    7'1"    UW-Oshkosh    NCAA D-III

http://www.mccarthysports.com

That should be a nice showcase for Ike Rosefelt if he's looking to take his game overseas next season.

[Gregory Sager]

Looks like the Johnnies were deserving after all ( Or atleast someone thought they were). 

I've been saying here for two weeks now that SJU was going to get in with a Pool C bid if the Johnnies didn't win the MIAC tourney. It's not rocket science. Don't let the math frighten you; it's not that hard to calculate QOWI, and any ten-year-old can figure out a team's regional winning percentage. Best of all, there's four or five tireless posters in the national rooms (Patrick Begg, Pat Coleman, Ralph Turner, Old School, etc.) who do most of the work for you in terms of charting the various Pool C contenders around the country.

Consider this my roundabout way of telling you folks to check out the rest of the site -- other Posting Up rooms as well as the many other features and sources of info on D3hoops.com -- especially when tournament selection time draws near. I rarely see MIAC people posting in the national rooms, which is why I was happy to see Sumander in the Pool C room getting the 411 the other day.

Greg - good advice.  There's usually a handful of us MIAC posters who semi-regularly lurk in the other rooms in the D3 site.  And I know there's been exchanges of quotes/posts from those boards in other messages/emails.

However, I also believe the level of posting involvement by any MIAC poster in any of those national rooms is in direct relation to the success of our MIAC teams at the big dance.   I would say the majority of posters who posts in the national rooms – CCIW, WIAC, MIAA, NCAC etc. are posters from schools or conferences that are mainstays in the D3 tourney.  IMO, if & when MIAC teams consistently start making noise on a national level i.e. Elite Eight or higher, is when you'll see the emergence of posters who post in those rooms more frequently.

I think you're probably right about that, Drake. But the site offers so much information and assistance to those who are seeking it, especially at this time of year when people in every conference want to know if Team A from their league is going to get into the dance, or how Team B shapes up against that first-round opponent from three states away.

It's all about spreading the info and helping the fans educate themselves. Knowledge is power!

[VOJ]

On the whole Schnettler-Westman debate/debacle...Schnettler has had a better year, they both are great shooters, but you can't take away the clutch shots that Westman has made during his SJU career...last year the 3 to tie the Toms and send the game in Collegeville into OT, this years "3" late in the game against the Toms to seal the deal, his J in the lane against the Oles on the road that proved to be the game winner...and his D has improved especially at the end of this year.

We are not talking a  Jordan vs Steve Kerr debate, just two good shooters in the MIAC...

[Drake Palmer]

For all you number crunchers out there, here's a sneak peek at the RPI type of rankings that might be used next year to replace the QOWI, which replaced the SOSI from previous years.  I'm sure this system also has flaws, but at first glance it attempts to measure teams not only within their regions, but against teams from other regions as well. That measure would be a great improvement over the current system which only measures a team within their respective regions.

Interestingly, I've been saying all year I thought UST was a 8-12 nationally ranked team, & in this proposed RPI model, it has them slotted in at 13th.  Not a bad guess on my part.

SJU is listed at 27 & their 1st round opponent Loras is ranked 24th.

"Proposed RPI Style Rankings"

[diehardfan]

That should be a nice showcase for Ike Rosefelt if he's looking to take his game overseas next season.

Do I hear an echo in here?

[sumander]

Cheers to the Bandwagon!  That puppy put on a lot of miles during the season and was a lot of fun.

... and don't anyone say that the Johnnies were half foam as they were better than 9 out of the remaining 10 MIAC teams.  They are still playing, which means the Bandwagon is still rolling!

Nites, That's only if we can get the sucker out of the shop in time for Thursday nights game. I nearly totaled her coming out of the Cities last weekend. I am waiting for an update from Fins as to the status of the Bandwagon. I do think it might have one more home win left in it though!

[finsleft]

Fins, Figured out what the problem is....this country boy just doesn't know how to drive the band wagon in the big City!! There will be no putting that one back together after Saturday's crash and burn! we are going to have to go shopping for a new one for Thursday's game!

No problem Sumander. Just a couple of bumps in the road. Got the insurance check yesterday and already picked out a new, improved bandwagon. This one's in the shop getting off-road tires, brush guards, a lift kit and camo paint. And to make sure no one goes thirsty, I've splurged for the beermeister option.

[sumander]

Fins, Figured out what the problem is....this country boy just doesn't know how to drive the band wagon in the big City!! There will be no putting that one back together after Saturday's crash and burn! we are going to have to go shopping for a new one for Thursday's game!

No problem Sumander. Just a couple of bumps in the road. Got the insurance check yesterday and already picked out a new, improved bandwagon. This one's in the shop getting off-road tires, brush guards, a lift kit and camo paint. And to make sure no one goes thirsty, I've splurged for the beermeister option.

Nice options. That last one will be welcome when we venture east to Stevens Point on Saturday

[columbianmaffia]

i saw something a page or two back about how LaX should be in over SJU...i think CAR did SJU a favor by beating LaX and then they got swept by SJU...in no way am i saying because CAR beat them so would SJU if they played them but i believe it has to have some impact on the selection process

[sumander]

Cmob, The Loras team that is coming to SJU on Thursday night also beat LAX. Supposedly, Scenarios like you describe do not play a factor in who gets the pool c bids. There has been much discussion the past couple of weeks over on the multi region topics board about the pool c bids.

[Dunkmachine]

Schnettler is the best shooter in D3 basketball, arguably in any division.  Westman is a very good shooter in the MIAC.  The two shouldn't be compared.  Its like comparing Larry Bird's shooting to Bo Outlaw's.

Halleluiah Hallaback

[Dunkmachine]

PS

How does SJU4life have that many karma pts???  This dude comes up with the most hilarious and ludicris statements over and over again.  His logic when defending  SJU and their players is looney!!!  Many people have commented about his ramblings on his basketball knowledge, or lack there of, yet his karma is large and in charge.  If I would say crazy things like "Hamline has a stable confident basketball progrm."  Would I get karma pts??  Just wondering how the system works.

Halleluiah Hallaback

[columbianmaffia]

If I would say crazy things like "Hamline has a stable confident basketball progrm."  Would I get karma pts??  Just wondering how the system works.

Halleluiah Hallaback

no but i will give you +k if you say

kyle foster = not good at basketball