MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[miacwatchmen]

--about cal poly vs. NAU--- I'd argue that Cal Poly has more of a minnesota connection than NAU as Matt Hanson from plymouth and Maranatha had 10 the other night against NAU on 4-5 from the field and unlike Schnettler and Sir can jump out of the gym.  Cal Poly also has a couple other mn bigs on the roster in thurow and manley and has received commitments from a couple more mn guys including Matt's brother David.   As a transition to talking about NWC and the UMAC vs. the MIAC, I might point out that relatives of the Hanson's and Sir's are a big reason NWC has had a lot of success lately.  Steve Sir's cousin Joe scored 1300 points while shooting 42% from three for his career, and Matt's younger brother's Dan and Steve are currently tearing it up for the current team.

I would say that the UMAC as a whole is a bit down this year, and has more parity within the conference.  Scholastica, Bethany and Morris lost their main weapons from last season, but are obviously still competitive.  Morris seems to be living up to last year's expectations this year.  If Fogt is back for the Morris game, he should be able to neutralize Phil Allen from Morris, but stranger things have happened as Moberg wasn't able to accomplish that.

My guys over at NWC are struggling to beat some of the worst teams in D3 right now.  We were losing to North Central at the half before starting to hit a few shots and win by 16, and the crown game was pretty close throughout.  Discher and Gonsior are out with injuries right now but could be playing by the Macalester game.  Let's just say that NWC should beat Macalester and Hamline on paper, but the way they're playing right now, they wouldn't.

Fogt won't be back so the J's will be lacking size again. Should be interesting for the J's going from SCSU to UM-Morris to see how they can rebound after a big loss.

In honor of my 1000th post +K all around. 

CONGRATS ON 1000 WATCHMEN, +k...since you go to some J's games we should meet up sometime...unless you are like Drake who wants to be more like "the shadow"

I think meeting could be arranged. It will have to be after the break though....because there aren't any more home games this year!!

[miacwatchmen]

Hoops, You missed my point completely.  Just because someone hasn't produced in a system does not me they are not good.  Carr has not really produced in the SMU system, although no one really has for the fact they haven't been in the playoffs in who knows how long.  Put carr in another system and he could be amazing.  Darko didn't do squat in Detroit, now he is a decent ball player in another system with a different coach.  That was my point, that in a certain system certain players flourish, SMU might not be what Carr is suited for.

I think Prophets point is true for alot of the MIAC teams. I can remember several cases in the past of players receiving significant minutes their early years and then dropping off the face of the earth the next year. I believe there are few coaches in the MIAC that would change their system for one player. Ususally coaches recruit their players out of high school to fit in their system in the future I would imagine. Apparently Mr. Carr has issues with something going on at SMU.

[Drake Palmer]

...Can MIAC teams start playing again so us has-beens can't stop talking about this never-was...

Willy – it's going to be a long 2.5 – 3 weeks before conference play resumes so why don't you tell us about Chris Hasse, or if Wittwer is "stuffing the stat sheet" enough to make him a viable, candidate for POY?  Or maybe why not take a closer look at the coaching staff at SMU?  Is Trewick a good fit, he's been there what - 4 years? Why can't the Birds ever field competitive basketball teams? 

If that doesn't fuel the fire, if we keep playing our Cards(birds) right, we can do this mini-Carr controversy until tonight when Yazz Clute  & the Hamline pep band take on the Saints from St. Scholastica. Then we can divert our attention to the Pipes, Gusties & Johnnies.

Speaking of Johnnies, VOJ – what's the old adage – "pride goes before a fall."  This season in particular seems to demonstrate that you can't afford to take any teams lightly, not even schools from the UMAC.  I still say you better watch out for UM-Morris.  I'm sure AO or someone will be flaunting the final head to head results if they gain the overall W-L edge by the time January 2nd rolls around.  Right now it's not looking pretty for the remaining inter-league match ups unless we start putting the wood to the likes of Northwestern, Bethany Lutheran & Scholastica. It's a given the Dawgs better beat Presentation by a sizeable margin.

[AO]

If that doesn't fuel the fire, if we keep playing our Cards(birds) right, we can do this mini-Carr controversy until tonight when Yazz Clute & the Hamline pep band take on the Saints from St. Scholastica.   ;)Then we can divert our attention to the Pipes, Gusties & Johnnies.

Speaking of Johnnies, VOJ – what's the old adage – "pride goes before a fall."  This season in particular seems to demonstrate that you can't afford to take any teams lightly, not even schools from the UMAC.  I still say you better watch out for UM-Morris.  I'm sure AO or someone will be flaunting the final head to head results if they gain the overall W-L edge by the time January 2nd rolls around.  Right now it's not looking pretty for the remaining inter-league match ups unless we start putting the wood to the likes of Northwestern, Bethany Lutheran & Scholastica. It's a given the Dawgs better beat Presentation by a sizeable margin.

Presentation might be a bit better than you think.  One of the main reasons Auggie Tech won the matchup last season by 20, was a Crown transfer-Mitch Dice.  Presentation returns much of their lineup from last year, and could surprise some teams.  I know they surprised me last year.  They're a scrappy bunch.

[d3bballfollower]

Presentation could be really tough for the Dawgs...they have returning UMAC rookie of the year Richie Ward who has been playing well and new head coach Matt Sevareid knows how to coach...the x-factor will be Solaja...PC is guard oriented and, outside of Ward at 6'5", doesn't have any height at all...if Augsburg pounds it inside they should win by 15-20, but if they don't, I wouldn't be surprised to see Presentation eek out a win by a score somewhere in the 70's...maybe something like 75-72

[Drake Palmer]

Presentation might be a bit better than you think.  One of the main reasons Auggie Tech won the matchup last season by 20, was a Crown transfer-Mitch Dice.  Presentation returns much of their lineup from last year, and could surprise some teams.  I know they surprised me last year.  They're a scrappy bunch.

In this season - what could happen & what does happen seems totally at odds with each other.  Me saying that Augsburg should beat Presentation sure doesn't mean it will work out that way.  Morris beat Bethel, UST beats Winona & Augsburg is 0-6? Who wudda thunk? 
I sure didn't.

[concordia of the north]

i think the miac is up 6-4 with three miac-umac games coming up soon and very soon.

disgusting.

[PTPer35]

AO - How is Carleton beating Bethany Lutheran an ouch? They are now 7-1...Martin Luther was 0-6 and beat Olaf...that is an ouch.

[piperinsider]

Bethany Lutheran vs Carleton recap:
http://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_story_345010239.html?keyword=topstory

Plus a story on a great Minnesota brewery:
http://www.nujournal.com/News/articles.asp?articleID=10157

[AO]

AO - How is Carleton beating Bethany Lutheran an ouch? They are now 7-1...Martin Luther was 0-6 and beat Olaf...that is an ouch.

Carleton is playing well, but Bethany is a solid, talented team that was playing at home.  You can't overlook anybody playing D3 basketball in Minnesota right now.  Like it or not, the upper tier of the MIAC is not head and shoulders above the lower tier of the UMAC.

[Nites]

Bethany Lutheran vs Carleton recap:
http://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_story_345010239.html?keyword=topstory

Plus a story on a great Minnesota brewery:
http://www.nujournal.com/News/articles.asp?articleID=10157

PI - Are you from New Ulm?  I was always told that Schells was a beer that only the locals could stomach - literally.   

AO - How is Carleton beating Bethany Lutheran an ouch? They are now 7-1...Martin Luther was 0-6 and beat Olaf...that is an ouch.

PTPer, I believe ouch is an appropriate terms when your loyalties lie with the UMAC.

[miacwatchmen]

PTPer35 has been inflicted with the deadly red "X" for an avater!! I hope it isn't contagious!! 

Edit: My guess is its supposed to be Dick Vitale Baby!!

[piperinsider]

Bethany Lutheran vs Carleton recap:
http://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_story_345010239.html?keyword=topstory

Plus a story on a great Minnesota brewery:
http://www.nujournal.com/News/articles.asp?articleID=10157

PI - Are you from New Ulm?  I was always told that Schells was a beer that only the locals could stomach - literally.   

AO - How is Carleton beating Bethany Lutheran an ouch? They are now 7-1...Martin Luther was 0-6 and beat Olaf...that is an ouch.

PTPer, I believe ouch is an appropriate terms when your loyalties lie with the UMAC.

No, but I am German. I never had a Schell's until they saved Premimum. You can't beat a sampler pack of Schell's.

[concordia of the north]

statement of the year:

The upper tier of the MIAC is not head and shoulders above the lower tier of the UMAC.


That's garbage.  Take the top three teams in the MIAC once the first half of the conference slate determines those positions with more legitimacy and pit them against the bottom three teams in the UMAC.  Now, define "head and shoulders above" as the condition of winning 80% of the contests.

There is no way that the top 3 miac teams wouldn't win 8, 9, or all 10 games out of 10 versus the last 3 teams of the UMAC.  The top three teams of the MIAC should expect to win at least 7 out of 10 versus the bottom three of their own league. 

[d3bballfollower]

currently the top 3 teams in the MIAC are Mac, Carleton and UST...the bottom 3 in the UMAC are Crown, Presentation and probably Northland...I think if each played round robin you would get 9 games and the MIAC would most likely win 7 or 8, thus being at that 80% mark dictated by cord of the north