MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[VOJ]

OUCH!! 


Brink's numbers...32 Brady Brink......... f  2-17   1-5    0-0    5  5 10   3   5  2  2  0  2  40

In 40 minutes...that's not an MVP type performance...maybe his supporting cast (that didn't play last night) is better than everyone thinks. 

I belive Madson had something like 24 points up at Concordia 


Madson will most likely be playing next year.  It didn't look like it early on in his career, but he has become very close with fellow juniors (laugen and moberg) and that is making him leaning toward staying! 

yes Brady had an off night, j's were missing Leiser and he might have let it get to him pressure wise...it happens...did Madson take 25 or 30 shots to get his 24 points?  But every gunner puts up points eventually...yes he is a good player, but MVP worthy?  Not unless his team is top 3 in the conference, secure the playoff bid and then lets talk awards.
Bye the way blue and gold if you are going to go one on one with Brady...lets take a look at the last time that the J's and Royals got together...who won?  SCOREBOARD BABY>>>>>

[gacbacker]

Random question, but how would everybody rank the following three coaches and why?

Jim Smith, St John's
- Career record: 680-470 (.591)
- 7 MIAC Regular Season Titles
- 5 MIAC Playoff Titles
- 9 NCAA Tournament Appearances

Mark Hanson, Gustavus
- Career record: 352-134 (.724)
- 6 MIAC Regular Season Titles
- 7 MIAC Playoff Titles
- 10 NCAA Tournament Appearances

Steve Fritz, St. Thomas
- Career record: 501-236 (.679)
- 12 MIAC Regular Season Titles
- 7 MIAC Playoff Titles
- 8 NCAA Tournament Appearances

[Drake Palmer]

BleedBU – I'd let the sleeping bear rest.  If you keep pressing this issue, you might have to call for backup from Bet34 & other almost forgotten Bethel posters – Bethelguy etc.  Out of respect for Madson & other players on the Bethel team, no one has gone on a mad offensive attack against the Royals – yet.

So I'd be cool about this.  Especially when you consider that Bethel just concluded the first half of the conference schedule by getting clubbed by one of the worst teams in the league.  Madson's an excellent talent – there's no doubt about it.  If Bethel's team fortunes – wins, improve over the 2nd half of the season & Madson continues to put up those kinds of numbers, he'll be a strong candidate for MVP.

But at this time, he's not the near lock we all thought he would be at the beginning of the season for MVP.  And if wasn't for the implosion of a couple of other teams further south on Snelling, there would be serious concern about the Royals even qualifying for the playoffs.

[Nites]

Everyone will have an "off-night,"  I just don't think Madson is getting enough respect on this board...he obviously has the respect of the other coaches in the league...by the way he is being guarded. 

Bethel is not good when they rely on Madson.  He needs to learn how find others when teams run 2/3/4 guys at him...and get a few more rebounds a game...but all I am saying is that HE IS A HOOPER...and even if you think Bethel is a bunch of Hypoctie Holy Rollers (which they are not)...give the Man Some Respect!   

Puhleeeeeeeeease...... Not the respect thing.  Is there anyone on this board, anyone, who doesn't think Madson is a hooper?  Board, speak up if you don't think Madson is a top notch D-III player.  

In the words of Ricky Ricardo, please "splain" how Senor Madson isn't getting enough respect on the board.  Just because others may think that another player is more valuable to his team's success isn't a respect issue - especially when you consider that Bethel was a near unanimous (it may have been unanimous) pick of the board to win the conference title and they are nowhere near the top right now.

[VOJ]

anybody see mac/gac last night?   wittwer a T?   what happened?  if kane s. is not the most iimproved player in miac, i would like to know who is.   he is the big reason that gusties are rolling,

Willy  - you reading this unsolicited endorsement of one of your 2007-088 Gustie team captains?  Ol' Eagle Eyes Palmer ain't the only singing the faint praises of Kane Sivesind.   
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Us non-Catholics are looking for news from our brothers in faith from the NW and SE axis.  So what happened to Mr. Lieser from SJU and Messr. Cormier and Rohr?  Comments, observations, editorials & inside scoop. Man up VOJ let's hear it.  Tell us Mose.

Sincerely,

Ecumenical Hoops Daily Staff

Drake...I am only going to say what I said on air, Ryan had to take care of some personal things and missed the Cobber game, we all hope he will be back for SMU on Saturday....

bleednavyblue...have you ever seen Brady play?  Do you see all of the little things he does to make others better?  Can you say the same about Madson?  I saw Madson against the J's earlier this year...everytime the shot clock wore down he would drive to the foul line and force a jumper...not drive and dish, drive and chuck something up, take a look at the numbers from that game...since you have made this a personal vendetta, again I point to the scoreboard and tell you to take a look too...

I just clicked on the Bethel website...Headline:  Madson gets 28 but Auggies get the win...hmmm sounds like a familiar refrain to the season, the reason I went to the website was because I wanted to see Madson's stats when it mattered most...in the playoffs...

20 Tim Madson.......... *  6-20   0-2    4-5    0  1  1   0  16  1  2  0  3  41 vs St. Olaf last year...well, he took alot of shots, at least he made his FT's 1assist 2 TO's and he did have 3 steals, like I have said, every gunner gets his points eventually...

[VOJ]

Bethel is not good when they rely on Madson.  He needs to learn how find others when teams run 2/3/4 guys at him...and get a few more rebounds a game...but all I am saying is that HE IS A HOOPER...and even if you think Bethel is a bunch of Hypoctie Holy Rollers (which they are not)...give the Man Some Respect!   

you make my point for me...look at the standings...jeez...If the J's are not in the top 3 at seasons end you will not find me beating my chest saying Brady should be the MVP, is all-conference first team, without a doubt...but if its Gustavus, I say Wittwer, UST, maybe its Scott or as MM says Viau... IF its Concordia its Linz, although he was not overwhelming last night, he made key plays down the stretch...if its Carleton its Zorro or Drake....

See a pattern here?  IF Bethel runs to the top three then Madson gets a look, if not, take your spot on the All MIAC team and try again next year...

By the way thanks to my esteemed poster friends watchmen and MM for agreeing that Brady had an off night last night...

[Nites]

I don't know VOJ.  St. Mary's wouldn't have any wins if it weren't for Will Wright.  Can either Brink or Madson make a similar claim about their teams?  What's that say about their roles in the success of their teams?   

[Drake Palmer]

...Drake...I am only going to say what I said on air, Ryan had to take care of some personal things and missed the Cobber game, we all hope he will be back for SMU on Saturday....

(As I said the other day - I love this time of year!  _

VOJ – umm, excuse me but Bear 660 or whatever they call your radio station is not the epicenter of the MIAC universe.  So I, along with others who follow MIAC basketball missed those insightful comments you uttered over the airwaves about Mr Lieser.  I choose to watch for a short time on the Cobb webcast & listen to the smooth dulcet voice of Cobber radio sports – Mr. Larry Knutson. (Just messing wit ya V)

In keeping with this week's nautical theme:

Instead of taking the Bethel bait you might want to see what moral support you can provide to a suddenly floundering Johnnie-ship.  It seems they've sprung a leak on the "Fogt" side of the boat, & now a "Lieser" mast seems to have snapped above.  For your sake, let's hope a school flag may not have to be lowered.

[Drake Palmer]

Ok after this post, back to work.

Gacbacker- like Cmob, I have my favorite MIAC teams & some are more favorite than others.  But for the most part, I can set aside partisan differences & maintain a degree of objectivity.   

So with that being said - I'd go with

1) Mark Hanson
1A) Steve Fritz

3) Jim Smith

I don't have time for a detailed explanation other than to say Fritz has maintained  a high level of overall excellence for a very long period of time.

Hanson has done so in a shorter period of time AND, has enjoyed more continued success (deeper playoff runs) on the national stage than Fritz.
   

[Drake Palmer]

I lied - right on Nites!  Tell it.  +k.  Now back to work.   

[columbianmaffia]

Im no fan of D-I, but WOW...Baylor over Tx A&M...in FIVE OTs!!!! yeeHAW

On a D-III note:  Interesting stat from the Carleton-Augsburg game, the Knights played played their 5 starters the entire second half - no subs.  Particularly interesting since they won by 18.  Wonder what was up with that?  CMOB, any thoughts?

because of their current situation with injuries and lack of depth this is the only way they will be able to continue to contend for a playoff spot...3 things that could cause them problems in their quest...another injury, fatigue, and foul trouble...CAR is a very well coached and doesn't foul much so they have that in their favor along with coach Kallands experience in playing with a short bench

Also i would put Kalland in the arguement of where you rank each coach....he does a spectacular job recruiting with all of the academic restrictions he has to face and the lack of ladies on campus for players to meet if they decide to go there

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

MM -

If Madson's 14 point performance at Gustavus (which I would argue is a tougher place to play and Condcordia) is what you are talking about...

Or his 13 point performance in a 20 point win at home against St. Mary's (where 5 other guys were in double figures) is what you are talking about...

Neither of those compare to a 2-17 (5 pt. night)

As far as putting a team on your shoulders and trying to get a victory when others aren't playing well...I thougt that was a characteristic of an MVP.  TWICE, Madson has been the only one in double figures, and on those nights he went for 25 & 28 respectively.  He tried to carry the team on those nights...they just got a little heavy. 

Everyone will have an "off-night,"  I just don't think Madson is getting enough respect on this board...he obviously has the respect of the other coaches in the league...by the way he is being guarded. 

Brink is a nice player, and does a lot of things well, like hitting the boards hard!  But in my mind there is no comparison...maybe because the only times I have seen him (Brink) play...he hasn't had his best games. 

Bethel is not good when they rely on Madson.  He needs to learn how find others when teams run 2/3/4 guys at him...and get a few more rebounds a game...but all I am saying is that HE IS A HOOPER...and even if you think Bethel is a bunch of Hypoctie Holy Rollers (which they are not)...give the Man Some Respect!   

Bleed-
I cant speak for the whole board, but I have a TON of respect for Madson. I'd say its neck-and-neck between him, Conboy, Brink and Linz for BEST player (NOT to be confused with Most VALUABLE).

In the five games I've seen BU play thus far, TM has played with intensity & hustle, shown tremendous floor leadership, and is one of the best pure shooters around.

In talking about MVP, though, these facts become pertinent: BU was heavily favored to win the conference and is strugglling mightily to simply get into the playoff field. A true MVP would not only put up gawdy individual numbers, but lead his team to or beyond what has been expected of them (same expectations were on UST last year. Ike led the team to meeting those expectations, soldifying Ike as MVP.)

WIth 9 games left, BU can make a run and win the crown or at least finish 2nd.. If they do, and if TM continues to be the spark behind their success, then I'd say its NO QUESTION he is MVP.  If they continue to flounder in the 4-5-6-7 slot, then his value is diminished.

Is Brink MVP? at this juncture, not in my book. The same standard I just applied to TM applies to BB. If SJU doesn't right ship and get in the top 3, then I dont feel there's a case for Brink-for-MVP.

If the season had ended last night, I'd rate the MVP as follows:
1. Wittwer
2. Viau
3. Linz
4. Z Johnson
5. Brink or Madson

BUT with 9 games to go, this could (and most likely will) change significantly.

[sumander]

Mose, Outstanding post! Thank you for putting things in their proper perspective!! +k

[Nites]

Im no fan of D-I, but WOW...Baylor over Tx A&M...in FIVE OTs!!!! yeeHAW

On a D-III note:  Interesting stat from the Carleton-Augsburg game, the Knights played played their 5 starters the entire second half - no subs.  Particularly interesting since they won by 18.  Wonder what was up with that?  CMOB, any thoughts?

because of their current situation with injuries and lack of depth this is the only way they will be able to continue to contend for a playoff spot...3 things that could cause them problems in their quest...another injury, fatigue, and foul trouble...CAR is a very well coached and doesn't foul much so they have that in their favor along with coach Kallands experience in playing with a short bench

Also i would put Kalland in the arguement of where you rank each coach....he does a spectacular job recruiting with all of the academic restrictions he has to face and the lack of ladies on campus for players to meet if they decide to go there

Thanks, CMOB.  It has to be hard to hang around at Carleton if you never get any court time - especially, in years when the team isn't very successful.

[concordia of the north]

this is ridiculous.  why are people even mentioning players on UST's roster? they are doing very well, and i'm beyond impressed with their success this year.  but there is no mvp on that team.

people keep mentioning Viau. ridiculous.

i'm assuming he's 3rd on the team in scoring.  he's not in the top 30 in conference.
he leads his team in rebounding, 19th in the conference with a staggering 4.9/g.
his fg% is strong, but that's not the rocket to ride to conf. mvp. 1st in the miac at 58%
i'm assuming he's 2nd on his team in assists. he's not in the top 16 in conference.
i'll assume he leads his team in ft%. he's not in the top 16 in conference.
he's 2nd on his team in steals and 4th in the conference.
i'll assume he's 2nd on his team in 3fg%, not in the top 16 in conference.

when i said "i'll assume" it's because I didn't think you should have to check the team statistics leaders to find the numbers on someone who is supposedly vying for conference mvp. this kid leads his team in ONE category: fg%. he's not even listed on the conference website for 3/4ths of the statistical categories.  that sounds like a completely replaceable entity.  throw in teddy archer, lonnie robinson, whoever. 

good job on the shot selection this year, here's the most prestigious award in the conference? enough.

this is a three or four horse race, depending on final standings: wittwer, madson, linz, drake/johnson.