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What the crunk are the No. 11 ranked DII MSU-Mankato Mavericks playing Clown College for? It was 62-11 at halftime.

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What the crunk are the No. 11 ranked DII MSU-Mankato Mavericks playing Clown College for? It was 62-11 at halftime.

for the same reason certain teams schedule all-cupcake non-conference schedules-- it makes them look impressive to win big like that

what I don't get is why does a team like Clown play them? I can understand it if there is a good gate payout (like UST & SJU used to benefit from by playing at Creighton and Marquette), or if it was an exotic get-away trip in HI or someplace like that....but Mankato State??

[Gregory Sager]

what I don't get is why does a team like Clown play them? I can understand it if there is a good gate payout (like UST & SJU used to benefit from by playing at Creighton and Marquette), or if it was an exotic get-away trip in HI or someplace like that....but Mankato State??

NCAA rules dictate that a higher-division team that hosts a lower-division team must give a guaranteed payout to the lower-division team. Don't pooh-pooh that -- it could be a substantial amount of coin for a D3 program that is on a tight budget. Besides, playing a D2 school can be both a recruiting perq (even if you know you're going to get your brains bashed in) and an opportunity to get your players to test themselves against higher competition.

In other words, the question isn't why Crown elected to play Mankato State; the question is why Mankato State elected to play Crown.

[Drake Palmer]

http://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_story_355002048.html?keyword=topstory

What the crunk are the No. 11 ranked DII MSU-Mankato Mavericks playing Clown College for? It was 62-11 at halftime.

for the same reason certain teams schedule all-cupcake non-conference schedules-- it makes them look impressive to win big like that

Do you mean teams like Beah, beah, beah gasp, cough; does anyone know the basketball Heimlich maneuver? I think I'm choking on the leftover crumbs of a certain MIAC team's nonconference All-Cupcake schedule.  Is Pillsbury College still open for one last year? 

NCAA rules dictate that a higher-division team that hosts a lower-division team must give a guaranteed payout to the lower-division team. Don't pooh-pooh that -- it could be a substantial amount of coin for a D3 program that is on a tight budget. Besides, playing a D2 school can be both a recruiting perq (even if you know you're going to get your brains bashed in) and an opportunity to get your players to test themselves against higher competition.

In other words, the question isn't why Crown elected to play Mankato State; the question is why Mankato State elected to play Crown.

So Uncle Greg – I think we knew about the payout routine, but 'splain to me, Desi & the rest of us what's the benefit for a D3 team in scheduling the weakest of the weak D3 teams & or those NAIA schools like (I don't) Mt. Marty (anymore)?
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Todd Herman caveat.  I stand by my earlier statement regarding his driving abilities to the basket, but before someone jumps down my throat, I understand 8 games don't make a season.  Also, the Johnnies seem to be putting together more of an ensemble approach to their offense. As a result, he might not always put up the gaudy numbers of a Tim Madson, Will Wright or Jon Cassens.  It will be interesting to hear others' reaction after they've had a chance to see him play after the first of the year.

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What the crunk are the No. 11 ranked DII MSU-Mankato Mavericks playing Clown College for? It was 62-11 at halftime.

for the same reason certain teams schedule all-cupcake non-conference schedules-- it makes them look impressive to win big like that

what I don't get is why does a team like Clown play them? I can understand it if there is a good gate payout (like UST & SJU used to benefit from by playing at Creighton and Marquette), or if it was an exotic get-away trip in HI or someplace like that....but Mankato State??

yes, that is a tough one to figure.    mankato draws flies at home.  the "gate" has to be pretty anemic.  and the beaches on the lakes around mankato leave a bit to be desired, no matter the season of the year. sounds like a "lose-lose" arrangement to me. 

[Drake Palmer]

Wrong board but I tell you what- win or lose today, you gotta love how Tubby Smith has got the Gophers playing basketball & the general direction they seem to be heading. Game time score Gophers up 18-15 over the Ville.  Travis Busch - yow!!

[Gregory Sager]

http://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_story_355002048.html?keyword=topstory

What the crunk are the No. 11 ranked DII MSU-Mankato Mavericks playing Clown College for? It was 62-11 at halftime.

for the same reason certain teams schedule all-cupcake non-conference schedules-- it makes them look impressive to win big like that

what I don't get is why does a team like Clown play them? I can understand it if there is a good gate payout (like UST & SJU used to benefit from by playing at Creighton and Marquette), or if it was an exotic get-away trip in HI or someplace like that....but Mankato State??

yes, that is a tough one to figure.    mankato draws flies at home.  the "gate" has to be pretty anemic.  and the beaches on the lakes around mankato leave a bit to be desired, no matter the season of the year. sounds like a "lose-lose" arrangement to me. 

IIRC, the payout to the D3 team (if the host is D1 or D2) or to the D2 team (if the host is D1)  is not a gate percentage, it's a flat fee.

So Uncle Greg – I think we knew about the payout routine, but 'splain to me, Desi & the rest of us what's the benefit for a D3 team in scheduling the weakest of the weak D3 teams & or those NAIA schools like (I don't) Mt. Marty (anymore)?

If it's an NAIA team, there's really only a benefit to playing it if that NAIA team is good enough to challenge your players and give them a stiff contest. If it's a lousy NAIA team, there's really no benefit whatsoever to playing that team -- unless you have a school prez or an AD that's breathing down the coach's neck to come up with a certain number of wins, and you usually don't see much of that at this level.

If it's a "weakest of the weak D3 team," the benefit is only there if it's a regional game. A win, obviously, enhances your regional winning percentage, which is one of the five criteria used in determining Pool B and Pool C berths. Of course, playing a team like that will also hurt your OWP (opponents winning percentage), so there's a tradeoff.

[Drake Palmer]

In other news, our frequent board visitor, O, is no longer content to agitate the MIAC football & basketball boards.  Now he wants to challenge the website publisher & started his own page to question the authorities.    Check it Out

[Gregory Sager]

In other news, our frequent board visitor, O, is no longer content to agitate the MIAC football & basketball boards.  Now he wants to challenge the website publisher & started his own page to question the authorities.    Check it Out

Someone should get AO a copy of Dale Carnegie's book for Christmas.

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In other news, our frequent board visitor, O, is no longer content to agitate the MIAC football & basketball boards.  Now he wants to challenge the website publisher & started his own page to question the authorities.    Check it Out

Someone should get AO a copy of Dale Carnegie's book for Christmas.

It would be a waste of money...but at least he is (temporarily) not spewing his illogic on the MIAC board.

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nice, solid win for UST yesterday. LAX is good, physical and big. They play very good deffense (altho the score may not indicate that).  Nicolai did WW proud with 22 points, 6 boards and 3 dimes...1 TO. Viau was the player of the game, draining a key pair of FTs, finishing with 12 pts, 7 'bounds, 3 blocks and 2 steals. Robinson had a crucial 8 point outburst early in the 2nd half and doled out 6 assists. Tuma (all 5'9" of him) had 5 rebounds including one he snatched from the 6'9" post that left the big guy looking bewlidered. Strong & steady team effort and a fun, exciting game. Had a playoff feel to it, which is sweet on a blizzard-y December day. Certainly a better test of a team's mettle than playing Crown, or NC Bible or Pillsubry, etc that some find "challenging" 

[AO]

If you haven't ever seen a game outside of the MIAC you might not realize that every college basketball team does not play 20 conference games/5 non-conference games.  Mankato and Crown have a bit bigger of a non-conference schedule to fill.  Crown should be encouraged to keep scheduling NCAA d2 schools instead of the NCCAA d2 teams which they have played in the past.  Maybe Crown can get a W this year as Pillsbury will have to forfeit their scheduled January game as they shut the doors for good as of a week ago.   If Crown can't beat them on the court, they could at least put a bid in for one of pillsbury's national championship trophies.

[Gregory Sager]

That's actually pretty funny. What's even funnier is that the current bid on one of those NCCAA national championship trophies is 99 cents.

Your point is valid about MIAC teams not having enough openings to suit Mankato State's purposes, AO. However, the Mavericks would be a lot better off playing a WIAC team (WIAC teams each have nine non-conference openings with which to slot in an MSU-Mankato) than a hapless patsy like Crown. Even an IIAC team (whose teams also play nine non-conference games apiece) would be a better choice than Crown.

[AO]

That's actually pretty funny. What's even funnier is that the current bid on one of those NCCAA national championship trophies is 99 cents.

Your point is valid about MIAC teams not having enough openings to suit Mankato State's purposes, AO. However, the Mavericks would be a lot better off playing a WIAC team (WIAC teams each have nine non-conference openings with which to slot in an MSU-Mankato) than a hapless patsy like Crown. Even an IIAC team (whose teams also play nine non-conference games apiece) would be a better choice than Crown.

I agree.  It doesn't help that Crown is even worse than usual this year.  Macalester isn't the only d3 team in Minnesota with a very real chance of 0-25.

[Drake Palmer]

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