MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gregory Sager]

VOJ is my homeboy, so he won't mind that I threw some of that there fancy book-larnin' his way.

[Drake Palmer]

VOJ is my homeboy, so he won't mind that I threw some of that there fancy book-larnin' his way.

Greg- Another one of your home boys has been having a tough go of it lately.  How tough?  Well, apparently he reached the tipping point the other night & had to leave a ballgame game a little, shall we say, prematurely.    No further information was available.
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Officials: Brian Mauer, Bob Mahre, Bob Zahradke
Technical fouls: Augsburg College-None. Hamline University-TEAM 2. (that would be the coach)


Attendance: 179
Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total
Augsburg College..............   34   49  -   83
Hamline University............   24   43  -   67

http://www.miac-online.org/sport.asp?path=mbball&tab=mens

[Willy Wonka]

VOJ is my homeboy, so he won't mind that I threw some of that there fancy book-larnin' his way.

"I don't read a damn thing. That's why I don't write music. I'm too cool to be reading and writing...I'm a very intelligent n****. I can read like a motherFer. I don't want motherFers to think I'm illiterate." ~ Weezy F Baby

TDT and I had a cage match scheduled before a football game a few years back. He backed down, so I scarfed about 15 of Johnnie Red's famous Stiffy burgers instead.

[VOJ]

VOJ is my homeboy, so he won't mind that I threw some of that there fancy book-larnin' his way.

Right on Greg...thanks for the lesson, I wasn't sure I nailed it...we Syracusans need to stick together...you grew up in Liverpool right?  when did you grad by the way?  I am class(or lack there of)88...missed my 20 year last year because it was in the fall and well Johnnies football definitely took precedence...

Greg you know the names Andy Partee(Monmouth) and Chris Gedney(Syracuse-NFL: Bears-Cardinals) I would imagine?  Geds and I played football together on Liverpool's 87 state champions...and I saw Geds, Partee, Joe Swenton and Tom Furr and Jeff Lanier...hey I just named the whole starting 5 from our senior year...not bad 20 years later... take on Jason Buchanon(St. Johns of NY) and Dorsey Levens(Notre Dame-GTech...Packers) play one night around Christmas in a holiday tourney at Nottingham...

Off the tip, won by the 6'2" Levens over the 6'6" Gedney, Buchanon brought the ball down and lobbed to Levens who slammed over both Geds and 6'5" Joe Swenton...then off the dunk the Warriors(good guys) came down and Partee fed Geds who threw down a two hand flush bringing us to our feet as he announced Liverpool's presence with authority...the good guys would lose to the Levens led Bulldogs after Partee turned his ankle by about 8...great game...lots of talent on the floor that night...

Coach Whitmore at Hamline, and I have some mutual friends from my neighborhood, he was a CBA guy...in the small world department

[VOJ]

VOJ is my homeboy, so he won't mind that I threw some of that there fancy book-larnin' his way.

"I don't read a damn thing. That's why I don't write music. I'm too cool to be reading and writing...I'm a very intelligent n****. I can read like a motherFer. I don't want motherFers to think I'm illiterate." ~ Weezy F Baby

TDT and I had a cage match scheduled before a football game a few years back. He backed down, so I scarfed about 15 of Johnnie Red's famous Stiffy burgers instead.

Willy...good second choice those burgers are better than a triple burger...take that CMOB!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VOJ]

VOJ is my homeboy, so he won't mind that I threw some of that there fancy book-larnin' his way.

Greg- Another one of your home boys has been having a tough go of it lately.  How tough?  Well, apparently he reached the tipping point the other night & had to leave a ballgame game a little, shall we say, prematurely.    No further information was available.
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Officials: Brian Mauer, Bob Mahre, Bob Zahradke
Technical fouls: Augsburg College-None. Hamline University-TEAM 2. (that would be the coach)


Attendance: 179
Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total
Augsburg College..............   34   49  -   83
Hamline University............   24   43  -   67

http://www.miac-online.org/sport.asp?path=mbball&tab=mens

Back to back to back jack...been awhile since I have heard of an MIAC coach getting tossed,  Drake I will do some reconn and see what I can find out...unless PI has the down low

[sumander]

A little rusty on my rules, but a team technical wouldn't necessarily be on the coach, correct?

The coach would get charged for it but it may have be on the bench. Back in my high school officiating days I seem to remember direct and indirect technicals....or was I just dreaming that. 2 direct technicals and a coach was gone or 1 direct and 2 indirect. A bench technical would have been an indirect technical.

[Drake Palmer]

I'm not sure of the technical rulings either, but it was Coach Whitmore who was asked to do his best Elvis impersonation & "leave the building." 

[Gregory Sager]

Greg- Another one of your home boys has been having a tough go of it lately.  How tough?  Well, apparently he reached the tipping point the other night & had to leave a ballgame game a little, shall we say, prematurely.    No further information was available.
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Officials: Brian Mauer, Bob Mahre, Bob Zahradke
Technical fouls: Augsburg College-None. Hamline University-TEAM 2. (that would be the coach)


Attendance: 179
Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total
Augsburg College..............   34   49  -   83
Hamline University............   24   43  -   67

There's a school of thought that insists that one of the best ways for a coach to fire up the troops when things go awry is to pick a fight with the stripes and get himself thrown out of the game. I'm not an alumnus of that school of thought, though.

Right on Greg...thanks for the lesson, I wasn't sure I nailed it...we Syracusans need to stick together...you grew up in Liverpool right?  when did you grad by the way?  I am class(or lack there of)88...missed my 20 year last year because it was in the fall and well Johnnies football definitely took precedence...

I was class of '79 ... two years after Pete Holohan (All-State QB and power forward at LHS, Notre Dame wide receiver, tight end with the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs and the Browns) and three years ahead of Tim Green, the former SU and Falcons defensive end turned FOX broadcaster, lawyer, and author.

Greg you know the names Andy Partee(Monmouth) and Chris Gedney(Syracuse-NFL: Bears-Cardinals) I would imagine?

I'm well aware of Gedney and his Liverpool background, of course, because I've lived in Chicago for three decades now and in Chicago they run you out of town on a rail if you don't have the biographical details of the entire Bears roster memorized.  (I actually found out that Gedney was a former Warrior when he was drafted and the Chicago Tribune listed his school as Syracuse -- I always look up where SU players who get drafted by the NFL or NBA went to high school.)

I had never heard of Andy Partee prior to this year. However, I knew that Colorado College's head basketball coach was named Andy Partee, because North Park played in Colorado College's tipoff tourney this season and I went to the Tigers' site to study up on the opposition. Turns out that this Andy Partee and your LHS classmate are one and the same; even though it doesn't list Partee's high school on the Colorado College website, it does say that he was a '92 graduate of Monmouth. He also was an assistant there and at Northern Colorado and Brown before taking over the reins at CC. So that makes at least three of us former Warriors who are taking an active interest in D3 men's basketball.

Coach Whitmore at Hamline, and I have some mutual friends from my neighborhood, he was a CBA guy...in the small world department

I only knew one CBA guy when I was growing up; that was Rick Patulski, with whom I played youth league basketball at Zogg and at Liverpool Middle. Rick's older brother Walt Patulski was CBA's all-time-stud football player and an All-American and Lombardi Award winner at Notre Dame. He was the first player taken in the NFL draft in '72 (by the Bills, which made it even bigger news in central New York), and was supposed to be the league's next great pass rusher. He was pretty much a bust, though.

I have very few remaining ties to Liverpool or the Syracuse area; my folks recently retired and got the heck out of Mordor upstate New York, moving to Florida.

A little rusty on my rules, but a team technical wouldn't necessarily be on the coach, correct?

The coach would get charged for it but it may have be on the bench. Back in my high school officiating days I seem to remember direct and indirect technicals....or was I just dreaming that. 2 direct technicals and a coach was gone or 1 direct and 2 indirect. A bench technical would have been an indirect technical.

As far as I know, Stat Crew doesn't differentiate; it simply lists T's called on anyone not currently in the game (head coach, assistant coach, non-active player) as a "bench" technical. I've seen it listed as such for all three of those categories.

You're basically correct in terms of how the NCAA rulebook dictates how refs should administer technical fouls to head coaches. In men's basketball, they're called Class A and Class B technicals. A head coach automatically gets a Class B tech (what you called an "indirect technical"; NCAA women's basketball still uses the "direct" and "indirect" terminology) if an assistant coach or a non-active player (or the crowd, if he's the head coach of the home team and the crowd gets T'ed up) gets a bench technical. Two Class A's, a Class A and two Class B's, or three Class B's, and the coach gets the heave-ho.

If Whitmore got thrown out of that Augsburg/Hamline game the other night as Drake said, then the two bench technicals were Class A's that had been assessed to him.

[Drake Palmer]

Greg- Another one of your home boys has been having a tough go of it lately.  How tough?  Well, apparently he reached the tipping point the other night & had to leave a ballgame game a little, shall we say, prematurely.    No further information was available.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Officials: Brian Mauer, Bob Mahre, Bob Zahradke
Technical fouls: Augsburg College-None. Hamline University-TEAM 2. (that would be the coach)


Attendance: 179
Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total
Augsburg College..............   34   49  -   83
Hamline University............   24   43  -   67

There's a school of thought that insists that one of the best ways for a coach to fire up the troops when things go awry is to pick a fight with the stripes and get himself thrown out of the game. I'm not an alumnus of that school of thought, though.

I'm putting together a bass-ackwards acrostic to help me remember for future reference:

AESI

AlumnA (female singular)
AlumnaE (female plural)
AlumnuS (male singular)
AlumnI (male/universal plural)

[Gregory Sager]

I'm putting together a bass-ackwards acrostic to help me remember for future reference:

AESI

AlumnA (female singular)
AlumnaE (female plural)
AlumnuS (male singular)
AlumnI (male/universal plural)

Just remember that, HOMES, "kings play chess on fancy glass stools", and "every good boy deserves favor", and you're set for life.

[columbianmaffia]

VOJ is my homeboy, so he won't mind that I threw some of that there fancy book-larnin' his way.

"I don't read a damn thing. That's why I don't write music. I'm too cool to be reading and writing...I'm a very intelligent n****. I can read like a motherFer. I don't want motherFers to think I'm illiterate." ~ Weezy F Baby

TDT and I had a cage match scheduled before a football game a few years back. He backed down, so I scarfed about 15 of Johnnie Red's famous Stiffy burgers instead.

Willy...good second choice those burgers are better than a triple burger...take that CMOB!!!!!!!!!!!!

im not gonna argue that...i had one of those a few years back...and guess what...i stacked 3 of them and made a tripple burger out of them!!!!

[HoopPHD]

Good evening America and Piper pessimists!  It is time to wake up and smell the Wit – ness.  As the JockDoc I have immense experience via 1200+ coaching wins, All American honors, and twenty years of teaching teamwork and the art of winning.  I too have watched enough Piper crap this year and need to make comment.  When you consider the vices and virtues in Piperland it is easy to see that the vices of unintelligent, fickle, egotistical coaching have reduced the virtues of intelligence, athletic talent, and passion to a sloppy, inconsistent, fearful, confused, low confidence and unhappy team that is just no fun to watch and is incapable of winning against any quality team. 

The Pipes came marching into the 08-09 season with energy, teamwork, talent and a blossoming understanding of roles and abilities to keep Hamline in the MIAC post season race.  Unfortunately, the leaders of the band began playing reveille after traveling to Chicago and losing to a tough Elmhurst team in a highly competitive battle.  Thrasher, Clute, and Hipp were living up to expectation and Hayes, Tanner Anderson, and Gusaas were filling their roles with confidence and success.  Morrow and Dan Anderson filled out a perfect 8 man rotation.  Nick Carroll is still a brute who should be used in spurts to go out and kill people who need to be beat up physically.  Beyond that he has no value to the Piper lineup – turnovers, poor  shooting and a nasty tendency to criticize and yell at fellow teammates when he is making the majority of mistakes makes him a detriment to a team in need of confidence, consistency, and trust.  For unknown reasons, the Witmeister failed to find a true backup point guard who can run a team, handle pressure, see the court, deliver the ball timely, and intelligently run the court.  Reig and Wenrich cannot deliver a pass, cannot handle pressure, and do not understand the role of a point guard.  Coach, please teach them something.  Perhaps Hutchinson is a solution as a quick, strong, unselfish, positive, high energy, leader but the Wit has not allowed him to prove himself there

After the first two games the Wit – ness decided that his body type would lead him to the promised land and he began to play small ball which is only successful on little league baseball fields.  Running lineups with average size on the court of  probably 6 feet he benched Clute for the Northwest game (played 17 minutes 2008 / scored 40 2007) and elected to use Van Ordstrand (30 minutes / 4 points) - who never saw a shot he didn't like and never saw a cut that was good enough to reward with a pass.  He started Nick the killer Carroll and completely disregarded the roles and lineups that looked optimistic last year and early this one.  Since then he has shifted lineups and playing time so randomly that this looks like a sports version of musical chairs.  It appears that he hates Clute (35 total min in last 5 games) and Gusaas who any team in the MIAC would love to have.  He wants so badly to prove that little guys like him can win that he runs his teams out of games with weak, short lineups of guys that cannot defend, score, or play like a team. 

All coaches should know that you have two hundred minutes of playing time in a game.  You want to put enough points up in those minutes to win.  You also cannot make turnovers and miss gimme assists.  There are three proven all conference players on our team.  Thrasher, Clute, and Hipp need to start and be on the court for at least 30 minutes each.  Brandon Hayes starts and should see about 25 minutes with Wenrich and Reig filling out 15 minutes of point duties and learning how in non game changing opportunities.  Dan Anderson and Tanner Anderson should play 30 total minutes per game and provide scoring and rest for the big three.  Gusaas should get 10-12 minutes to abuse people and put pressure on other post players.  Hutch, Van Ordstrand, and Carroll should fill out the thirty and all else would adapt with situations.  This system will give balance, scoring and solid defense, fresh bodies, and consistency that will lead to victory.  Players have to know their roles and fill them. 
   
Finally, strategy needs to be learned.  Coach needs to teach Karl how to get out of the post if there is nothing there, to get out of the way when his teammates are cutting or driving and also how to pass from the post.  Put the players in positions and offensive sets where they can think, see, and play to win.  Forget the ridiculous four out one in and the Texas weave offense.  Go to a strong high-low post work the wings and get the ball up and down.  Let the stars make mistakes and teach your freshman not to make them – keep the new guys out of the way in critical times instead of putting them in the way.  Pass the ball quick and short, keep everyone involved by minimizing dribbling, waiting for good looks to score, and cutting sharply to and from the basket.  Play man to man defense no matter what and use your 2-3 or 1-3-1 zone or amoeba only for 2-3 minutes and rotate your zones consistently cause MIAC players are smart and figure out weaknesses and gaps quickly which is why zones are not the prime way to defend.  You also cannot always try to belly up on defense cause then defenders with weak scorers cannot help on the guys that kill you.  The quicker man always creates gaps and high percentage scoring opps.  You cannot trap until offensive players get into your front court and you always trap in the corners not at the top of the key.  Baseline players in 2-3 and 1-3-1 gotta stay low enough to stop over the top and baseline drives and wing players only steal when offense has been trapped-especially weak side defenders gotta stay low to deny gimme shots and drives.  Know that if a guard allows penetration from the front court it is their fault when it leads to a score.  You cannot play crazy in a zone you gotta play carefully and with complete ability to stop penetration from the front court.  Keep the assistant coaches from saying anything about who plays and just have them count minutes and fouls and get the right people in each rotation.  Keep a 1-5 player on court at all times.

Wit has got to dump his ego cause he ain't playing and if he was he would know that no one plays good in two minute shifts.  He should also know that if you pull a proven winner every time they make a mistake they will lose all confidence and flow in a game.  You have to let college athletes make mistakes without fear because that is how you win games. Players have to love each other and have fun.  Pregame looks like a prayer service for your dead aunt!  You don't teach puppets – you pull their strings and I never saw a good game of basketball in a puppet theatre.  Teach them, trust them, and let them play Wit!!!  Anybody know how many shots Jordan missed?  Anybody know how many loose balls he did not dive on.  Anybody know how many times he did not sprint like a wild man to belly up on the man he was defending.  Ha! Ha! Did his coaches jerk him when he failed and what might have happened if they did?  A lot of highlight tapes would be missing from the archives and a lot of wins from the Bulls record book.

Hamline has a coaching problem that goes beyond X's and O's.  It goes right to the heart of the win – loss column and that is morale and character.  Coach has it all wrong.  Get some help and talk to your players without hating what they say.  You gotta know that in life and war it is always the soldiers who know when you are losing the war.  Finally, when they are going down they will not be afraid to tell you if they know the way up.  They are the ones who suffer when the generals are making the wrong decisions.  You coaches are always telling what the players did to cause the loss. It is coaches that create winning and losing teams.  You have the talent-some of it is on the bench most of the time.  Come on Wit and company you gotta listen to the music, get out of the way, and let the Pipes play.  Otherwise, you will be playing Bye Bye Miss American Pie.    I love you boys!  You deserve more than just Wit. 

[piperinsider]

Can't remember the last time I saw a MIAC coach ejected, but I did witness a female girls' basketball coach get tossed tonight eight minutes into the game (on the road - welcome to the bus for more than an hour).

The refs were on a power trip. An Annandale player went over the back for an offensive rebound, went up with a shot with no contact and there was a phantom call made. The coach stood up and yelled "who was the foul on? There was nobody around her." She was on the court (two feet maybe), so he T'ed her up. She says "if I were a guy, you wouldn't have T'ed me up." Hahaha...gone.

I truly forgot how good Big Lebowski is with a few oat sodas. Classic.

[piperinsider]

We got another Piper poster 
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6236.msg0#new

Hopefully you rea it before the thread is deleted