MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

if they didn't do the regional rankings, then wooster wouldn't be even be compared with Bethel as wooster is significantly lower on the national rankings.  wooster gets in before the 9th best team in the west, because the 9th best team in the west is not in the regional rankings.

Also not true. Just because they aren't published doesn't mean they aren't ranked. On Selection Sunday the committee ranks a lot more than the five/six/eight/ten teams that get published on Wednesday afternoons.

[VOJ]

VOJ

AO schools at the DIII level with the exception of a handful do not play a national schedule and those would be schools in the UAA: Chicago, Wash U, Emory etc...all you are is revisting a football argument on the hardwood.  The one where some conferences like the UMAC should never have an automatic qualifier, because they are in a crappy conference,  but it is what it is and everyone with an AQ gets in...the only way to compare schools is their regional record, it might not be the best but it is what the NCAA at the DIII level has always done, deal with it...your right Drake I am a little testy, must be the impending showdown at the Shoe!

Then gonzaga doesn't get in the tourney back when they needed the AQ, or davidson, george mason.  The AQ is a part of what makes March Madness sweet.

You were right about the money, there is more money at the DI level and it allows for AQs to make it in...what I am talking about has to do with DIII only, where there is less money and when it gets down to it $$$ sometimes decides who gets in and who plays each other in the first round....

Yes March Maddness is sweet, but you are comparing apples to oranges with regards to $$$ in that and what is involved in DIII.  

Oh and the UMAC should never have an automatic qualifier in football...

[Pat Coleman]

Oh and the UMAC should never have an automatic qualifier in football...

Someone has to play UWW in the first round.

Good thing is the UMAC is not that close to qualifying right now.

[AO]

if they didn't do the regional rankings, then wooster wouldn't be even be compared with Bethel as wooster is significantly lower on the national rankings.  wooster gets in before the 9th best team in the west, because the 9th best team in the west is not in the regional rankings.

Also not true. Just because they aren't published doesn't mean they aren't ranked. On Selection Sunday the committee ranks a lot more than the five/six/eight/ten teams that get published on Wednesday afternoons.

This I did not know.  perhaps because they don't publish them......reminds me of a certain bill that was recently rammed through congress...

[AO]

Oh and the UMAC should never have an automatic qualifier in football...

Someone has to play UWW in the first round.

Good thing is the UMAC is not that close to qualifying right now.

at least I am now assured that you two did not write the D3 philosophy. 

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

if they didn't do the regional rankings, then wooster wouldn't be even be compared with Bethel as wooster is significantly lower on the national rankings.  wooster gets in before the 9th best team in the west, because the 9th best team in the west is not in the regional rankings.

Also not true. Just because they aren't published doesn't mean they aren't ranked. On Selection Sunday the committee ranks a lot more than the five/six/eight/ten teams that get published on Wednesday afternoons.

This I did not know.  perhaps because they don't publish them......reminds me of a certain bill that was recently rammed through congress...

My granny used to say "its better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone THINK you're a fool than to open your mouth and prove to everyone that you are a fool."

Thanks for reaffirming that to me and for proving once again that you know far too little to be popping your mouth off. Comparing D-I to D-III and dragging in your political opinions  is kind of like using Kant's philosophy and Mother Goose's nursery rhymes to explain why they televise poker as a "sport". 

Summ- May Daughter #1 run up a huge shopping bill on your VISA for this sentiment 

You mean the Tutition bills I'm getting aren't enough

No...you need a hefty bartab from Tiff's as well   

[AO]

if they didn't do the regional rankings, then wooster wouldn't be even be compared with Bethel as wooster is significantly lower on the national rankings.  wooster gets in before the 9th best team in the west, because the 9th best team in the west is not in the regional rankings.

Also not true. Just because they aren't published doesn't mean they aren't ranked. On Selection Sunday the committee ranks a lot more than the five/six/eight/ten teams that get published on Wednesday afternoons.

This I did not know.  perhaps because they don't publish them......reminds me of a certain bill that was recently rammed through congress...

My granny used to say "its better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone THINK you're a fool than to open your mouth and prove to everyone that you are a fool."

Thanks for reaffirming that to me and for proving once again that you know far too little to be popping your mouth off. Comparing D-I to D-III and dragging in your political opinions  is kind of like using Kant's philosophy and Mother Goose's nursery rhymes to explain why they televise poker as a "sport". 

Summ- May Daughter #1 run up a huge shopping bill on your VISA for this sentiment 

You mean the Tutition bills I'm getting aren't enough

No...you need a hety bartab from Tiff's as well   

If you honestly knew that the committee secretly ranked more teams from each region, good for you.

It still seems terribly inefficient and annoyingly secret.  I still suspect what VOJ was getting at about the $$$ is closer to the actual truth about who gets in.

[Pat Coleman]

The point isn't whether he knew or didn't know. The point is he didn't spout off with his incorrect assumptions.

Now, regular listeners to Hoopsville know this is the how the process works, and anyone who's had a team close to making the tournament is probably among the 2,500 people we regularly have listening on Selection Sunday. But I can see why you might not have heard.

[Drake Palmer]

The point isn't whether he knew or didn't know. The point is he didn't spout off with his incorrect assumptions.

Now, regular listeners to Hoopsville know this is the how the process works, and anyone who's had a team close to making the tournament is probably among the 2,500 people we regularly have listening on Selection Sunday. But I can see why you might not have heard.

Pat - why the kid gloves?     I was just getting ready to post a rebuttal to the Orifice of the Prairie when I saw your post.

Well, I'll still leave this portion -

"We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak."

Or in this case, read before one goes spouting off half cocked.

[ChairmanYao]

However ignorant the comments are, can we at least leave political ideologies off of a basketball board? Maybe it's me, but it doesn't much seem like they go together

[Drake Palmer]

However ignorant the comments are, can we at least leave political ideologies off of a basketball board? Maybe it's me, but it doesn't much seem like they go together

Thank you Chairman! +K

[Willy Wonka]

VOJ - Man, someone's still a little ornery up there, huh? If I stuck a needle in my eye and said the Gusties were struggling, would you somehow find a way to take a personal insult in that, too?

As my boy Ma$e once said...breath, stretch, shake, let it go.

No one ever disrespected Smith's coaching skills or said he didn't deserve to be listed among the best D3 coaches ever. We essentially argued semantics and agreed to disagree. My bigger point was simply that it would be embarrassing if he "won" 700 without lifting a finger that particular day.

Since that's no longer a concern, barring another accident (knock on wood), let's all just try to move on. As mediocre as some of these contenders are this year, there are still more important things to focus on than any perceived slights you can imagine from anonymous posters on these boards.

Here are a couple...

• Gimme a few reasons why anyone should think the Johnnies have a chance tomorrow night. Honestly, I can't really come up with anything.
• There's a decent chance that either Gustavus or SJU will go into the postseason riding significant losing streaks. Which team would people rather play in the first round? Are there certain matchups that favor either of these teams?
• Who do people have for MVP right now? Is Goose still the favorite if Carleton closes the season with losses to Auggie Tech and Bethel?
• Mac's final game of the year is Wednesday against Koz's Oles, who may have thrown in the towel already. For a game between two terrible teams, this game has a certain appeal for the fatalists among us, right?

[AO]

The point isn't whether he knew or didn't know. The point is he didn't spout off with his incorrect assumptions.

Now, regular listeners to Hoopsville know this is the how the process works, and anyone who's had a team close to making the tournament is probably among the 2,500 people we regularly have listening on Selection Sunday. But I can see why you might not have heard.

While I didn't know about all of the workings of the secret rankings, I am still unclear on whether my base assumption is incorrect or not.  My assumption is that the remaining 17 pool c bids do not go to the 17 next best teams in the country.   Regional record or opponents winning percentage are not an acceptable assessment of a team compared to another team in a different region.  The only thing that accomplishes effectively that is a public national ranking system, ala the  RPI.  In other words, I don't care what UNC asheville's regional record is, they're not in if they don't get the AQ.

That's great that 2500 listened on selection sunday, but if 2800 people watched gustavus vs. st. thomas last saturday, I've got to think there's some d3 fans that don't have a good handle on how the selection process works.  there are ways to simplify it, but for the foreseeable future, they probably won't because the powers that be aren't interested in creating a higher level, more popular, basketball tournament.  the same kind of people who have turned minnesota high school basketball from 1 to 2 to 4 classes and so on. 

as to chairmanyao's comments: i attempted political humor, not debate.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

The top teams will get in the playoffs. There may be some slight shifting across region lines with respect given to geography and transportation costs (D-III doesnt have a billion dollar revenue cow like D-I), but the top teams will be in the field. 

I hope you realize UNC-A is a Divsiion I program, because the way you toss them into your rambling dissertation, it almost sounds like you dont know that.  AlLthough, their chances of making the D-I tourney have absolutely no relevance to or bearing on the D-III selection process (and they have 0 chance of making the the D-I tourney, so your futile attempt at a point is moot)

Try taking the good advice you've been given by numerous people-- THINK and READ and RESEARCH before popping off your mouth with half-truth/half-confusion, half-baked misstatements. And if you do get the urge to post, try doing it  on the UMAC board where you dont distract, annoy or confuse anyone. 

[AO]

The top teams will get in the playoffs. There may be some slight shifting across region lines with respect given to geography and transportation costs (D-III doesnt have a billion dollar revenue cow like D-I), but the top teams will be in the field. 

I hope you realize UNC-A is a Divsiion I program, because the way you toss them into your rambling dissertation, it almost sounds like you dont know that.  AlLthough, their chances of making the D-I tourney have absolutely no relevance to or bearing on the D-III selection process (and they have 0 chance of making the the D-I tourney, so your futile attempt at a point is moot)

Try taking the good advice you've been given by numerous people-- THINK and READ and RESEARCH before popping off your mouth with half-truth/half-confusion, half-baked misstatements. And if you do get the urge to post, try doing it  on the UMAC board where you dont distract, annoy or confuse anyone. 

In case you didn't know, the money for the d3 tournament does come from the d1 tournament.  and if it's about the money why didn't pat bring up the money in his responses?  I suspect that the ncaa isn't interested in setting up the same sort of excellent tournament in d3 as they do for d1 because of the money.  they do use the same funds to send all of the absolutely non-revenue teams (tennis, golf, track, etc.) to tournaments.   

if money wasn't a factor and the best teams got in, they would do away with the regional rankings and rank teams nationally.  this is an easy statement to make as this is the way they do it in d1.  and they've got a pretty good thing going in d1.