MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[larry_u]

I am sure you were "pleasantly surprised to see (Gacmans) posts.  He got his ass handed to him by 40 points the last time around.

Just did a late evening check in on the board and was pleasantly surprised to see GacMan's great opening post. Great summary of potential (hopefully) UST opponents. I didn't realize Gustavus played both of these outstanding teams (UPS and Whitworth) back to back on their non conference schedule. That combined with Buena Vista and Winona State made GAC's non-conference schedule in my view hands down the toughest in the MIAC. I give credit to the program for not being afraid to take on some tough teams.

Purple...

Its good to see more new posters on here, but you might want to be slightly more humble and or critical of your team.  I know they are perfect, but they do still have flaws.  Being a homer is fine, being a know it all 6 post newbie poster who thinks they know better then everyone else, especially people who have been here a lot longer then you is generally frowned upon...

[Willy Wonka]

Looks like AO recruited some of his friends to these boards. Should make the next few days/weeks...fun?

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

papahoops you sound like the anti-tommie, what is your deal.  I think UST beat Winona St. when they were number 1 in D2 and not "afraid to take on some tough teams."  Quit being such an Obama and stop it!!!!

Just did a late evening check in on the board and was pleasantly surprised to see GacMan's great opening post. Great summary of potential (hopefully) UST opponents. I didn't realize Gustavus played both of these outstanding teams (UPS and Whitworth) back to back on their non conference schedule. That combined with Buena Vista and Winona State made GAC's non-conference schedule in my view hands down the toughest in the MIAC. I give credit to the program for not being afraid to take on some tough teams.

I am sure you were "pleasantly surprised to see (Gacmans) posts.  He got his ass handed to him by 40 points the last time around.

Just did a late evening check in on the board and was pleasantly surprised to see GacMan's great opening post. Great summary of potential (hopefully) UST opponents. I didn't realize Gustavus played both of these outstanding teams (UPS and Whitworth) back to back on their non conference schedule. That combined with Buena Vista and Winona State made GAC's non-conference schedule in my view hands down the toughest in the MIAC. I give credit to the program for not being afraid to take on some tough teams.

PurpleReign, I'd say you're the one we should be asking "what's your deal". Pops is easily one of the most astute basketball minds on this board, and has been at more UST games this year than you have. Trust me on that one, I haven't missed a game at UST since before you were born and there isn't any way you've been in the Shoe more than Pops. More importantly, he knows the intricacies of the game and what it takes to be a success on the court. If you bothered to read that past 800 or so pages, you would know he has sung the praises of UST all season long and beyond this season.

If you bothered to READ Pops' comments about Gacman's post, you'd notice he wasn't talking about the game played on Wed, but rather on the articulate and informative way. Gacman brought new insights and information to the rest of us. YOU could stand to learn from Gacman. If you knew anything about basketball, you'd realize that Gacman's post was a great summary and very informative. (And if you want to talk about getting your ass handed to you by 40, it's been done to UST by GAC, in the Shoe...but you knew that, you wise student of the game)

It's all nice & good that UST beat Winona State, but that is LAST YEAR'S NEWS. It's a nice memory, but come into the modern era. If you're going to bring that one up, be sure to mention that UST schooled Marquette once (and I'm sure you knew that)...granted it was before Fritz was a player at St Thomas (yes, he played the game...just trying to educate you on Tommie hoops, since trying to teach you manners and respect is obviously a waste of time), but, hey, if you want to live on the past, that's a much more impressive win than beating WSU.

In case you're wondering, I'm a UST alum. Your posts tonight embarrass not only yourself but me and UST.

[AO]

Just did a late evening check in on the board and was pleasantly surprised to see GacMan's great opening post. Great summary of potential (hopefully) UST opponents. I didn't realize Gustavus played both of these outstanding teams (UPS and Whitworth) back to back on their non conference schedule. That combined with Buena Vista and Winona State made GAC's non-conference schedule in my view hands down the toughest in the MIAC. I give credit to the program for not being afraid to take on some tough teams.

If you're only going to mention 4 of the 5 non-conference games GAC played you might as well mention the 4 they lost.  Bethany Lutheran was a road loss, Buena was a home win.  No doubt those non-conference games prepared them to win on the road like they did in the MIAC tourney.

As for Bethel not getting a pool C, I still say a true national ranking like in D-1 would have gotten Bethel in over a Baruch or a Franklin and Marshall.   Perhaps I am trust the massey ratings too much, but some of those eastern conferences are pretty weak.   that said, you can't reward Bethel for putting together the weak non-conference schedule they've put together recently.  they would do very well in some of the other regions in the tournament, but dropping home games to the johnnies, auggies and pipers put the nail in the coffin for the pool c hopes.

Best of luck to the Tommies, they're a fun type of team to watch when they're the scrappy underdogs (which I think they'll be).  Hickory didn't have a size advantage when they had to face the south bend central bears.

[Gregory Sager]

PurpleReign, I'd say you're the one we should be asking "what's your deal". Pops is easily one of the most astute basketball minds on this board, and has been at more UST games this year than you have. Trust me on that one, I haven't missed a game at UST since before you were born and there isn't any way you've been in the Shoe more than Pops. More importantly, he knows the intricacies of the game and what it takes to be a success on the court. If you bothered to read that past 800 or so pages, you would know he has sung the praises of UST all season long and beyond this season.

If you bothered to READ Pops' comments about Gacman's post, you'd notice he wasn't talking about the game played on Wed, but rather on the articulate and informative way. Gacman brought new insights and information to the rest of us. YOU could stand to learn from Gacman. If you knew anything about basketball, you'd realize that Gacman's post was a great summary and very informative. (And if you want to talk about getting your ass handed to you by 40, it's been done to UST by GAC, in the Shoe...but you knew that, you wise student of the game)

It's all nice & good that UST beat Winona State, but that is LAST YEAR'S NEWS. It's a nice memory, but come into the modern era. If you're going to bring that one up, be sure to mention that UST schooled Marquette once (and I'm sure you knew that)...granted it was before Fritz was a player at St Thomas (yes, he played the game...just trying to educate you on Tommie hoops, since trying to teach you manners and respect is obviously a waste of time), but, hey, if you want to live on the past, that's a much more impressive win than beating WSU.

In case you're wondering, I'm a UST alum. Your posts tonight embarrass not only yourself but me and UST.

Purple Reign, welcome to that lonely and painful place known as Out Back, Behind The Woodshed.

Obnoxious and uninformed UST student + Mose = that's a paddlin'



Nice work, Jasper Mose!

As for Bethel not getting a pool C, I still say a true national ranking like in D-1 would have gotten Bethel in over a Baruch or a Franklin and Marshall.   Perhaps I am trust the massey ratings too much, but i just those eastern conferences can be considered equal with the MIAC.

If you're relying upon Massey, AO, then the question you need to ask isn't, "Doesn't Bethel deserve to get in ahead of Baruch and F&M?" The question you need to ask is, "Does Bethel deserve to get in ahead of Augustana, UW-Oshkosh, Lewis & Clark, and North Central IL?" And the answer is, "No."

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Greg- thanks for making me laugh... I was spittin' tacks (in case you couldn't tell), but the vision of me as Paw takin the young'un out bee-hind the woodshed is priceless.

[Drake Palmer]

Purple R. - don't you know? You don't want Mose to break those ten commandments of basketball stone over your infant-like, developing head.

And Yahweh said:

Mose,you have done well my faithful & trusted servant.  Take drink of the crushed purple grapes we have turned into wine, & the barley & hops your SJU brother Sumander, & Pops have turned into mead.  Once your thirst has been quenched (hopefully soon, & leave a little bit for the rest of us), take thyself to the banquet halls where many fine "Kim's" Chinese chickens have been prepared for the upcoming feast of St. Thomas. You have done well pilgrim! 

And so it came to pass....

[AO]

As for Bethel not getting a pool C, I still say a true national ranking like in D-1 would have gotten Bethel in over a Baruch or a Franklin and Marshall.   Perhaps I am trust the massey ratings too much, but i just those eastern conferences can be considered equal with the MIAC.

If you're relying upon Massey, AO, then the question you need to ask isn't, "Doesn't Bethel deserve to get in ahead of Baruch and F&M?" The question you need to ask is, "Does Bethel deserve to get in ahead of Augustana, UW-Oshkosh, Lewis & Clark, and North Central IL?" And the answer is, "No."

sounds like another good reason to get rid of the current selection process.  What if the Tommies didn't get the aq the last couple years and had maybe a couple more losses, their wins over d2 winona and concordia st. paul would not be considered.  what if bethel or someone from the midwest wants to schedule those teams from the east that are beating them out for pool c bids...those games wouldn't count towards the regional record or owp either.  Can't argue with the quality of the part of the bracket the Tommies are in though. 

[VOJ]

Interesting tidbits.  4 out of the 5 starters for Aurora average 30 or more minutes per game while UST's leading minutes player, Joe Scott, averages 27.3. UST averages about 35 ppg off the bench while Aurora averages about 21.  Aurora definately relies heavily on their starters.

In many ways, that's anecdotal evidence. In most of the games the Tommies have played this season, the starters have been able to rest for the last 5-10 minutes of the game. That skews minutes by both starters and the bench. While the UST bench is very strong, I would expect the starters to play heavier minutes the rest of the way as the playing field levels.

A more interesting stat to me is the fact that Aurora has a negative assist/turnover ratio. That, along with some foul trouble, should spell disaster for AU. I'm predicting a convincing double digit victory.

Actually Willy, Fritzy told me he has not really thought about shortening his rotation because the quality of play off the bench has been so high...everyone knows their roles and has embraced them...

Since we had a less than accurate scouting report on Aurora the first time around, can anyone give us an accurate handle on their guards and how well they handle pressure? 

By the way I see my pro MIAC and UST statements/challenges got me dinged, I hope it was someone outside of the usual suspects on this board

Gacman welcome to the board...nice post, very informative...

[VOJ]

papahoops you sound like the anti-tommie, what is your deal.  I think UST beat Winona St. when they were number 1 in D2 and not "afraid to take on some tough teams."  Quit being such an Obama and stop it!!!!

Just did a late evening check in on the board and was pleasantly surprised to see GacMan's great opening post. Great summary of potential (hopefully) UST opponents. I didn't realize Gustavus played both of these outstanding teams (UPS and Whitworth) back to back on their non conference schedule. That combined with Buena Vista and Winona State made GAC's non-conference schedule in my view hands down the toughest in the MIAC. I give credit to the program for not being afraid to take on some tough teams.

I am sure you were "pleasantly surprised to see (Gacmans) posts.  He got his ass handed to him by 40 points the last time around.

Just did a late evening check in on the board and was pleasantly surprised to see GacMan's great opening post. Great summary of potential (hopefully) UST opponents. I didn't realize Gustavus played both of these outstanding teams (UPS and Whitworth) back to back on their non conference schedule. That combined with Buena Vista and Winona State made GAC's non-conference schedule in my view hands down the toughest in the MIAC. I give credit to the program for not being afraid to take on some tough teams.

PurpleReign, I’d say you're the one we should be asking "what’s your deal". Pops is easily one of the most astute basketball minds on this board, and has been at more UST games this year than you have. Trust me on that one, I haven’t missed a game at UST since before you were born and there isn’t any way you've been in the Shoe more than Pops. More importantly, he knows the intricacies of the game and what it takes to be a success on the court. If you bothered to read that past 800 or so pages, you would know he has sung the praises of UST all season long and beyond this season.

If you bothered to READ Pops' comments about Gacman's post, you'd notice he wasn’t talking about the game played on Wed, but rather on the articulate and informative way. Gacman brought new insights and information to the rest of us. YOU could stand to learn from Gacman. If you knew anything about basketball, you'd realize that Gacman's post was a great summary and very informative. (And if you want to talk about getting your ass handed to you by 40, it’s been done to UST by GAC, in the Shoe...but you knew that, you wise student of the game)

It’s all nice & good that UST beat Winona State, but that is LAST YEAR'S NEWS. It’s a nice memory, but come into the modern era. If you're going to bring that one up, be sure to mention that UST schooled Marquette once (and I’m sure you knew that)...granted it was before Fritz was a player at St Thomas (yes, he played the game...just trying to educate you on Tommie hoops, since trying to teach you manners and respect is obviously a waste of time), but, hey, if you want to live on the past, that’s a much more impressive win than beating WSU.

In case you're wondering, I'm a UST alum. Your posts tonight embarrass not only yourself but me and UST.

Maniac...you should not be embarrased for Purple's lack of intelligence with that post.  (I do question the admissions staff at UST however)  I had not realized the non-conference schedule that GAC played, way to schedule up...

[Nites]

papahoops you sound like the anti-tommie, what is your deal.  I think UST beat Winona St. when they were number 1 in D2 and not "afraid to take on some tough teams."  Quit being such an Obama and stop it!!!!

Just did a late evening check in on the board and was pleasantly surprised to see GacMan's great opening post. Great summary of potential (hopefully) UST opponents. I didn't realize Gustavus played both of these outstanding teams (UPS and Whitworth) back to back on their non conference schedule. That combined with Buena Vista and Winona State made GAC's non-conference schedule in my view hands down the toughest in the MIAC. I give credit to the program for not being afraid to take on some tough teams.

Que? Tu es loco?

Si, loco en la cabeza.

[papahoops]

WOW. I take a quick break from the work routine this morning to check out board developments and see that I should have stayed signed on a bit longer last night
I would personally respond to PurpleReign, but I would never be able to top Mose's AK47 automatic tack spitting barrage, so I will leave it at that. Thank you for covering by back Mose. The true basketball brotherhood sticks together Hopefully PurpleReign now understands that most of the board participants are interested in good basketball analysis/discussion, not homer/rube team bias. My comments about GAC's showed respect for the difficulty of their schedule in light of the quality of those teams this year. Certain teams in the MIAC try to pad their non-conference schedule with easy teams (NOT UST). I was giving kudos to GAC for not backing down from a challenge, not slamming UST. UST typically takes on the challenge of at least one D2 team and it just worked out this year that the California D3 teams they scheduled had down years. The fact that their non-conference schedule quality was down a bit this year was NOT their fault. Now if we want to discuss a certain team in the northern metro that has a long history of non-conference cupcakes that some on the board  thought deserved NCAA playoff ccnsideration despite losing to UST, that is a different story
The whole schedule quality issue surfaced in my mind with highly ranked Buena Vista's failure to make the NCAA playoff bracket after losing in their conference tournament largely a result of a weak non-conference resume.

[sumander]

+k to the usual suspects and to those involved in the beatdown of PR! 

Questions for VOJ. The J's played Point early in the year. Can you draw a comparison to them and the T's....

DP & Mose, don't worry not getting ahead of ourselves here, just interested in his opinion.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

+k to the usual suspects and to those involved in the beatdown of PR! 

Questions for VOJ. The J's played Point early in the year. Can you draw a comparison to them and the T's....

DP & Mose, don't worry not getting ahead of ourselves here, just interested in his opinion.

Not to worry Sums...Im parnoidly scared (if that's possible) of Aurora for now. From now till gametime, they are the ONLY opponent of UST's.

[VOJ]

+k to the usual suspects and to those involved in the beatdown of PR! 

Questions for VOJ. The J's played Point early in the year. Can you draw a comparison to them and the T's....

DP & Mose, don't worry not getting ahead of ourselves here, just interested in his opinion.

Sum, I can't...because I was on the road home from the football game at Whitewater, so I had to get another guy to call the game and he never saw the Toms this year so it would be tough to ask him what he thinks...

I remember them very well from a couple of years ago...they were as Drake described them, much like GAC, but they were better than any team the Js faced that year including a pretty good SCSU team...they had an inside and and outside game, a team full of guys who could compete at the Division II level.