MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bballfan247365]

It's not fair to say that it's "Not OK" for DA's rebound total to be so low when Hipp had 20 rebounds and basically swallowed any board that came within a 10 foot raidus. The other 2 highest rebounders were Easter(pg) with 4 and Voigt with 3 (only played 5 minutes). Also, it's tough to criticize the kid for not having assists when the team shot 32% and 1/12 from three. Hipp had 10 offensive rebounds and 6 of them were off of his own misses. Those are all missed assist opportunities as well.

You bring up an interesting point about the senior leadership. A few weeks back I came across an interview with Coach Whitmore on the HU athletic site. He talked about the school tradition, the new recruiting class, and the overall direction of the program. When he got to the topic of his seniors, he went off on how great of a leader Carrol is and how he is the heart and soul of the program (he may have even said he is one of the best defenders in the MIAC). They could have used some leadership in that second half and I'm not even sure if Carrol played in the last 15 minutes of the game. Not saying that he should or shouldn't have, it's just interesting that the proclaimed "leader" isn't called upon in the crunch. I thought they could have used him.

I'm excited about this HU team, probably the most potential I've seen from them in a long time. Coach Whitmore has definitely done the recruiting part of his job. Now it's just time to put together the pieces of the puzzle. I'm confident he will. I will be shocked if these guys don't make it to the postseason. The tempo of the game yesterday was awesome and I'm not sure how many teams will be able to keep up with that pace for 40 minutes.
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A WARINING TO THOSE SENSITIVE PEOPLE - when I say things I mean the league and basketball in general.  For those who took it the wrong way - My point was not a slam on #40.  I said he will be fine.  I happened to be at that game - so that is what I talked about.  My point is that there are several people (IN GENERAL) - and thanks to the 4 letter network - that spend more time watching the PPG column and not the rest of it. 

For any team to be successful in the top of the conference or to make national run - there has to be SEVERAL players able to do SEVERAL things over the course of a game.  (IN GENERAL) if a player only brings one aspect to the game (NOT THINKING OF ANY PLAYER IN PARTICULAR) like only being a great defender (Gary Payton) or just a great shooter (Steve Kerr) (SEE THE PREVIOUS DISCLAIMER), there needs to be others that can do many of the other needed things.  IE - Scottie Pippen, Danny Ainge, Vinnie Johnson, and now our very own Kurt Rambis - to name a few.

I too think the staff on Hewitt Ave did a great job on the recruiting front, but what I was trying to point (and using #40 as the guinea pig) that saying a coach - (IN GENERAL) "see toolmore" - regardless the level - whether it is on Snelling Avenue, Summit Avenue, Riverside Avenue, University Avenue, or even Marshall Avenue does not burry a kid on the bench because of only one game OR for only one reason.  And then to state this without most of us ever being in a coaches meeting, at practice everyday or in the locker room is a gross misrepresentation of a basketball fan. 

One of the reasons people read the board is the passion people display for the game.  Yes I understand passion brings in some bias - but my hope - and the reason I am now live (or is it Memorex) on this board is to continue classy discussions not cheap dialogue.

I have no vested interest - just a fan.  247-365.

[columbianmaffia]

I try not to be pedantic about spelling mistakes -- unless the mistake's a particularly egregious one, in which case I'll try to make a joke about it (and thus the running gags about CMob's Wimpyesque hunger for the "tripple" burger were born). I save my wheelhouse kicks for matters that actually have something to do with the game itself, or for the season as a whole. In that respect, the "preseason" thing is more definitional. It's simply incorrect to refer to games played on or after November 15, games that are played according to standard in-season rules and which count towards a team's record, as "preseason." Aside from the definitional inaccuracy, the inference one draws from the word "preseason" is that those games don't count. And they most surely do, as any team left high-and-dry on Selection Sunday because of a November or December non-conference loss will tell you.

can you repeat the part about the stuff when you talked about the things? 

[columbianmaffia]

One of the reasons people read the board is the passion people display for the game.  Yes I understand passion brings in some bias - but my hope - and the reason I am now live (or is it Memorex) on this board is to continue classy discussions not cheap dialogue.

I have no vested interest - just a fan.  247-365.

if anyone needs a recap or a refresher of my passion and vested interests please let me know

[columbianmaffia]

TRIPPLE POST IN HONOR OF THE TRIPPLE BURGER...

oh tripple burger how i adore you...you were sent to me on a silver platter from heaven in the escort of a beautiful boombalahty...you give me the strength and energy i need to rollerskate around the globe (yes...i can now rollerskate over lakes and oceans)...i shall once again strap on my spandex speed skating suit in preperation for another glorious season of DIII hoops...a few topics that i still need some clairification on from the past before we move on to this wonderous season

1) have any of my anaolgies of the UMAC vs the MIAC been approved by the board of registrants?

2) has there been any new evidence dug up in the Neil Anderson rebounding mysteries and arguements? (WW was the officer on this case for many years and continues to defend his claims)

3) has OneArmedScott joined a monistary which would explain his long hiatus from the board?

4)  is there still existing emotions or bitterness if a DIII athlete were to be granted a 6th year of elegibility (like that SJU dude a few years back)

5) has there been any word on the potential for an all decade - all hair team?

6) has bballlover had any imput into how games will be officiated this season with the official committee?

6a) has the asian sensation taken any hip hop lessons to add slick moves when he makes calls this season

7) do we have a count on my career gramatical errors on DIII hoops?

[papahoops]

I said Palmer would probably be an undersized post at SMU, but he's a good rebounder; he got 9 boards off the bench. I said he's got range; he hit the only trey he tried. I said he'd fit the up-tempo system well; he was one of four players in double figures. What else can I do to prove myself here?

PS - Holland is better than Nicolai. I hope people can finally accept that as fact this year rather than making me read any more debates about it.
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Hey Willy, you get nice props from DP on your scouting skills regarding Chris Palmer's opening game (I agree with DP that you should be commended for that one), but then you ruin it with that Holland being clearly superior to Nicolai statement. I'm guessing that you must think Holland will have a "breakout year" based on his outstanding opening game this season
Based on last season's stats, Nicolai was even with Holland in points per minute and Nicolai's assist/turnover ratio is 1.89 to Holland being less than 1. Steal numbers for Nicolai over double those of Holland despite playing 70% of the minutes.
I really like Holland, and believe he is one of the top guards in the league, but for you to claim Holland's "superiority" over Nicolai should not be debated is IMO off base.
I'm guessing you don't appreciate Nicolai because UST was so far ahead of the Gusties in their contests last year that he didn't get much playing time while you may have been watching   I apologize for the cheap shot, but I knew Mose would like that one

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

I apologize for the cheap shot, but I knew Mose would like that one

(Alfred E. Neuman face) Who ME? 8)

[MiacLostProphet]

First off, Holland vs. Nicolai

It is really hard to compare them.  One plays on a winning team for a winning program.  The other plays for a losing team (at least in the first two years) in a rebuilding program.  Holland has to do so much more with less, while Nicolai can do less because he has so much more around him.  Holland has to force tough shots because if he doesn't score his teammates, minus WW, most likely won't. Nicolai can coast on cruise offensively and get after it on defense because if he's not open, he'll just dish it to someone who is.  Which is also why Nicolai's assist/turnover ratio is better, because his teammates hit shots.  Anybody have stats on head to head matchups? and total turnovers last year?

Secondly, Benching

No good coach benches a player because of one bad shooting game. If offense alone dictated basketball playing time, I would have played more.  But supposedly there are thing like "defense" and "rebounding." 

Thirdly, PP's (Piper Posters)

Cool the jets.  This is a completely different team from last year that is mostly filled with players Nellie brought in.  This is his first real chance to show his offense with the players that best fit it, even though they are young.

[TearDrop]

YES!! Finally someone has jumped on my boat about Holland being one of, if not the best lead guards in the MIAC!! Now, as LostProphet pointed out, it is very tough to compare Nicolai and Holland due to their drastically different circumstances. Holland has been able to flourish even without much direction or any supporting cast other that WW (who also happens to be stuck in this same situation). On the other hand, Nicolai has been in a system that has been very successful for a number of years plus the benefit of playing for a program that gets the best recruits and transfers in the entire conference pretty much on a year to year basis. I would like to argue that if you switched the two players that Holland would actually be better than Nicolai and the Tommies may have advanced further into the post season last year. I do think that Mr. Nicolai would have still had a very successful career but I wonder would he have been able to carry the team as Holland has had to do for the last 2 seasons. BUT, since Holland chose to stay close to home and Nicolai chose to add to an already storied history, we will never know who could actually be better.

On a different note, I would love to see these guys play one on one. I think that it would be a close game but my Cardinal tinted glasses has to predict that Holland would win!!

[Avon Barksdale]

First off, Holland vs. Nicolai

It is really hard to compare them.  One plays on a winning team for a winning program.  The other plays for a losing team (at least in the first two years) in a rebuilding program.  Holland has to do so much more with less, while Nicolai can do less because he has so much more around him.  Holland has to force tough shots because if he doesn't score his teammates, minus WW, most likely won't. Nicolai can coast on cruise offensively and get after it on defense because if he's not open, he'll just dish it to someone who is.  Which is also why Nicolai's assist/turnover ratio is better, because his teammates hit shots.  Anybody have stats on head to head matchups? and total turnovers last year?

Secondly, Benching

No good coach benches a player because of one bad shooting game. If offense alone dictated basketball playing time, I would have played more.  But supposedly there are thing like "defense" and "rebounding." 

Thirdly, PP's (Piper Posters)

Cool the jets.  This is a completely different team from last year that is mostly filled with players Nellie brought in.  This is his first real chance to show his offense with the players that best fit it, even though they are young.

If you want a way to check out how these guys compare, check out this site:

http://hardwoodbreakdown.com/

A buddy and I are hopefully going to provide advanced statistical analysis throughout the MIAC season.  In one of the posts, another poster's claim about Halverson being one of the best players is defended, as well as other interesting outcomes based off statistical output last year.  Hopefully this is interesting for some of you.  We will try to provide statistical analysis after every game once the conference season starts.

[piperinsider]

Mafia-

Ran into OneArmed Friday in an elevator outside the X. He lives. I think he was wearing a pullover - could have been a cardigan.

[abominable_snowman]

when the weather outside is frightful
and the MIAC is so delightful
a post is the way to go
let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!

announcing the return of abominable_snowman
back from hibernation, through the haze of october, into the balmy november, it smells like hoops and the yeti is hungry.

posts to come, once I get caught up.

[BDB]

Mafia-

Ran into OneArmed Friday in an elevator outside the X. He lives. I think he was wearing a pullover - could have been a cardigan.

Piper, I once asked the Kilted Rat if OAS really just had one arm. He informed me that he indeed is fully armed. 

[abominable_snowman]

given the literature, here are my couple of pennies.

way back I heard a reference to sea salt cafe, a po'boy catfish would be quite tasty right now.

the maniac talked about a game at the upstairs shoe vs marquette...almost sounded like he was there.

tommies get ranked 4 in pre-season.  my guess is that it was mostly due to residual props to the toms for such a great performance last year.  no doubt the gritty guts of ust will be fron and center this year again.  a little bit of growing pains and idenity forming for the guys, but once the gelling happens, it should be the toughest squad to beat.

looking foward to some great games.

and for those of you who may be at a prep game or two this year, keep your eyes out for a tall guy in stripes as I will blowing my whistle at some varsity school games this year.  feel free to heckel.

[John Gleich]

Point beat St. John's 81-57 and I don't think the Johnnies got any closer than 13 in the 2nd half. 

Eau Claire beat St. Scholastica 87-47.

Anybody see either of these games and could give a recap?

[TommieHoops4Life]

Carleton comes back from an 8 point deficit to beat Wartburg 71-66 tonight. Rosett and Sutherland had 14 each. Miserable night at the free-throw line for both teams - Carleton was 14-34 and Wartburg 15-26. It definitely looked like the first game for both teams.

Olaf beats Bethany Lutheran 90-50, Jaryan leads the way with 22.