MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gacman]

How about this for a breakdown:
Jan. 2 2007 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran  L, 87-85 
Nov. 18 2008 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran •  L, 77-67   



GREAT breakdown, I forgot about those two games.    Oh wait, I already referenced them.  
My sophomore and junior year we split the season series with UST. I guess that means we are better than them and are stealing all their recruits.

[AO]

How about this for a breakdown:
Jan. 2 2007 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran  L, 87-85 
Nov. 18 2008 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran •  L, 77-67   



GREAT breakdown, I forgot about those two games.    Oh wait, I already referenced them.  
My sophomore and junior year we split the season series with UST. I guess that means we are better than them and are stealing all their recruits.

excuse me, just thought it was funny that wonka would claim you are far, far ahead when you got beat twice out of the last four.

[BETHEL34]

Sorry to disappoint Drake   but I have been out of town for the last two weeks and am trying to catch back up on everything.  I have seen a few of Bethel's games online this year, but haven't had a chance to go to any of them.  So I don't know what the injury's are for these guy's.  I will see what I can find out though and will be sure to come to the board right away.  

Can't really tell how good Bethel is going to be this year with the injuries they have had, but the experience the young guys are getting this early in the year could bode well for them in the long run.  There are a few things worth noting though.  Greg Meyer is a decent ball player and has played some really good minutes for a freshmen.  I am excited to see how he can develop over the next few years.  With his size and athletic ability he could be a good MIAC wing for many years to come.  Besides the horrendous shooting display against SJU, I like what I have seen from Vavra this year so far.  It will help when some of these other guys come back to take off some of the pressure he is feeling, but he is taking it to the whole pretty well right now.  I would like to see him build/show more of a mid-range game as he seems to either shoot the 3 or take it all the way to the hoop.  I would love to see him work on a one or two dribble pull up.  Lastly, I know Robertson has been hurt, but he needs to step it up.  I don't know what his off season workouts have been, but he hasn't seem to improve much over the last few years.  With his Strength and experience there is no way he shouldn't be ave 16 or 17 and 8 a game as a Senior.  He is averaging right now what he was averaging as a Freshmen over at River Falls.

I still think Bethel will finish in the Top 4 with a first round home playoff game this year.

[Willy Wonka]

Jan. 2 2007 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran  L, 87-85 
Nov. 18 2008 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran •  L, 77-67   

That's the whole point of my request. A few games, no matter how poor or embarrassing, don't make or break an established program.

Or maybe you want to argue that LeMoyne will now be stealing players from Syracuse, too  

[Nites]

Dang, AO.  I said "We are sheep."  That's MUTTON, not GLUTTON; yet, you insist on being a glutton for punishment.

[AO]

Jan. 2 2007 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran  L, 87-85 
Nov. 18 2008 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran •  L, 77-67   

That's the whole point of my request. A few games, no matter how poor or embarrassing, don't make or break an established program.

Or maybe you want to argue that LeMoyne will now be stealing players from Syracuse, too  

That's great the Gustavus has an established program with terrific facilities and everything.  What it doesn't do is make recruiting or winning automatic.  You're acting like packer fans who dimiss the vikings as rivals by saying "you're not our rival, Chicago is!  we have lambeau field and we're title town..blah blah blah"

[Gacman]

Jan. 2 2007 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran  L, 87-85 
Nov. 18 2008 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran •  L, 77-67   

That's the whole point of my request. A few games, no matter how poor or embarrassing, don't make or break an established program.

Or maybe you want to argue that LeMoyne will now be stealing players from Syracuse, too 

That's great the Gustavus has an established program with terrific facilities and everything.  What it doesn't do is make recruiting or winning automatic.  You're acting like packer fans who dimiss the vikings as rivals by saying "you're not our rival, Chicago is!  we have lambeau field and we're title town..blah blah blah"

The three wins GAC has over Bethany is 110-65, 88-76, and 69-40. Sounds like a good rivalry. 
I'm getting the feeling that you so desparately want GAC to be your rival, it disables all your reasonable senses.

[AO]

Jan. 2 2007 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran  L, 87-85 
Nov. 18 2008 7:00 PM  at Bethany Lutheran •  L, 77-67   

That's the whole point of my request. A few games, no matter how poor or embarrassing, don't make or break an established program.

Or maybe you want to argue that LeMoyne will now be stealing players from Syracuse, too 

That's great the Gustavus has an established program with terrific facilities and everything.  What it doesn't do is make recruiting or winning automatic.  You're acting like packer fans who dimiss the vikings as rivals by saying "you're not our rival, Chicago is!  we have lambeau field and we're title town..blah blah blah"

The three wins GAC has over Bethany is 110-65, 88-76, and 69-40. Sounds like a good rivalry. 
I'm getting the feeling that you so desparately want GAC to be your rival, it disables all your reasonable senses.

Did your reasonable sense depart you last year before or after the Bethany game?   Much more likely, Hanson had you well-prepared to play your rival, but it still wasn't enough to beat them.

[Pat Coleman]

Funny, I don't see any UMAC members even with 6 more non-conference games to fill, putting anybody like Nebraska Christian on the schedule.

A valid point.   Bethel's nonconference schedule is always an interesting topic of conversation.

Could be they just hadn't heard of them yet. I know I hadn't.

[Gacman]

Once Bethany can establish itself as a perennially good team, then we can start making this out be a rivalry, but until the scoring margin of 16.8 is lessened, this whole rivalry nonsense isn't even an issue.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

There is no doubt the UMAC is way down this year and always will be.

Fixed that for you

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Dang, AO.  I said "We are sheep."  That's MUTTON, not GLUTTON; yet, you insist on being a glutton for punishment.

Best line of the month, Nites! ++K

[TommieHoops4Life]

From a personal perspective, the Gustie bench continues to amaze me. Made up of 4 sophomores and 2 freshmen, this young gustie bench is producing GAC's leading 3pt. shooter, leading rebounder, leader in blocks, and collectively scoring over 30 points a game which is almost half of GAC's scoring.

Gacman,

At what point does Hanson make one of those "studs" a starter because someone else who is getting the nod isn't getting the job done?

If you look at UST's numbers, two starters average double figures while several others off the bench average between 4-7 points a game. Healy averages almost 11 off the bench on one of the most balanced offenses I've seen in some time.

It's embarrassing to see a D-I prospect like Paulson average 4.9 points and 4 rebounds a game as a senior when I've seen him do much better even though I've never been impressed by him. Especially when he's getting outplayed by a sophomore who he has 50 pounds on. Heck, you have guards who are rebounding as much as him.

It's still early, but are we going to see some adjustments before the MIAC season?

[Willy Wonka]

From a personal perspective, the Gustie bench continues to amaze me. Made up of 4 sophomores and 2 freshmen, this young gustie bench is producing GAC's leading 3pt. shooter, leading rebounder, leader in blocks, and collectively scoring over 30 points a game which is almost half of GAC's scoring.

Gacman,

At what point does Hanson make one of those "studs" a starter because someone else who is getting the nod isn't getting the job done?

Finally, some relevant MIAC talk!

Who says the starters aren't getting it done? GAC is 6-1 and leading the MIAC at 4-0, which surprises even its biggest supporter. Maybe all they had to do was get rid of that Schmidt character? Addition by subtraction 8)

Paulson, who is still very foul prone, is splitting time with a more offensive-minded player and Schmidtknecht is filling up the stat sheet (4.7 apg, 4.0 rpg) even though he's not looking to score as much. Van Sickle's shot is coming around and McPartland remains ugly but effective.

And it's not like Hanson doesn't have a track record of bringing scorers off the bench when they've proven they could fill an expanded role. Grey, Anderson and Blacklock all fit that description nicely. It's almost as tired a cliche as Drake's "it's still early" bit, but it matters more who's finishing than who's starting. With that in mind, it's pretty hard to argue with how Hanson's juggled the minutes so far. The big test will be Jan 13.

[Gacman]

From a personal perspective, the Gustie bench continues to amaze me. Made up of 4 sophomores and 2 freshmen, this young gustie bench is producing GAC's leading 3pt. shooter, leading rebounder, leader in blocks, and collectively scoring over 30 points a game which is almost half of GAC's scoring.

Gacman,

At what point does Hanson make one of those "studs" a starter because someone else who is getting the nod isn't getting the job done?

If you look at UST's numbers, two starters average double figures while several others off the bench average between 4-7 points a game. Healy averages almost 11 off the bench on one of the most balanced offenses I've seen in some time.

It's embarrassing to see a D-I prospect like Paulson average 4.9 points and 4 rebounds a game as a senior when I've seen him do much better even though I've never been impressed by him. Especially when he's getting outplayed by a sophomore who he has 50 pounds on. Heck, you have guards who are rebounding as much as him.

It's still early, but are we going to see some adjustments before the MIAC season?

TH4L,

I don't see any of the GAC reserves making the jump to the starting line-up. Hanson has a long history of sticking with the rotation he's developed through the early part of the season for better or worse. With the bench being very young, I think Hanson likes like fact that he can get some of these players their time against the other teams reserves even though several are making a strong case they could start. We have seen this in the past. Doug Espenson came off the bench as a Junior even though he was clearly their best player and leading scorer. I think this is similar to how UST is using Healy. He  is averaging double digits off the bench providing that instant offense, but is playing starters minutes as he is in the top 5 on the teamin minutes played. The difference I've seen a lot in these early games is when the reserves get in we go on a run, and I think it would be to GAC's advantage to keep the rotation like this. I think what is more telling is who Hanson has in at the end of the games, and lately Seth Anderson and Paul Blacklock have been in at the end of games and in OT. As for Paulson, the numbers you are seeing aren't too different from what we have seen from him ever since that game at UST close to the midway point of last year, when the Tommies exposed his inability to pass from a double team resulting in every other team guarding him like that from then on.

UST is the only other team with a nice deep bench and clearly rivals GAC's bench. Some of my enthusiasm for our depth is partly do to the fact that there was so much unknown about how this sophomore group would develop and step up and they clearly have. As for your bench, I don't think people were surprised to see that you guys have another deep team.