MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Buddo]

Gusties drop one to Hawaii Pacific University 80-73.   They appear to have been done in by ice cold three point shooting, going 4-26 from beyond the ark.  Paulson led the way with 15 points.  http://www.hpu.edu/images/Athletics/Mens_Basketball_2009-10/hpumbb10_a30132.htm

you beat me to the punch, nites.  amazing that gusties stayed as close as they did in spite of shooting woes.  if you rebound and don't turn the ball over, you can be "broke" and still have a chance.  seth anderson continues to justify his minutes, and tyler grey managed to get up 9 shots (8 threes)  in 11 minutes!!

nice job by cardinals vs. winona state.  this is definitely a better saint mary's team that the ones to which we are accustomed.  i look forward to seeing them play on the 6th vs. vipes.

Wish the J's had a tune-up game before facing the Cards on their home floor...hopefully the J's will put forth the effort and make the plays needed to win...

I think that will be a good game... before the season I thought SJU would steamroll SMU, but the Cards have really been proving that they can run with anybody. If you can stick with WSU for 30 minutes, you can stick with anyone in the MIAC.

[columbianmaffia]

oh vikings...you are teasing me again...

[VOJ]

oh vikings...you are teasing me again...

CMobb...Well when your Coach is NUMBER 4...what should you expect?...remember other than an appearance in two Super Bowls early in Favre's career and a total choke job in the NFC title game two years ago, when was Green Bay ever really a threat to take it all? 

Back up the logic truck Viking fans...your O line is struggling...your pass defense was shredded for 4 TD's by the NFL's interception leader, J Allen was MIA last night and Captain Queeg is attempting to run the ship aground from the sidelines...

The G-men come calling this weekend with nothing to play for...it will be interesting to see which Big Blue team shows up... the one that kicked the crap out of Washington or the deer-in-headlights edition that got run over by the Stewart freight train from Carolina?

[Gregory Sager]

Gusties drop one to Hawaii Pacific University 80-73.   They appear to have been done in by ice cold three point shooting, going 4-26 from beyond the ark.  Paulson led the way with 15 points.  http://www.hpu.edu/images/Athletics/Mens_Basketball_2009-10/hpumbb10_a30132.htm

you beat me to the punch, nites.  amazing that gusties stayed as close as they did in spite of shooting woes.  if you rebound and don't turn the ball over, you can be "broke" and still have a chance.  seth anderson continues to justify his minutes, and tyler grey managed to get up 9 shots (8 threes)  in 11 minutes!!

nice job by cardinals vs. winona state.  this is definitely a better saint mary's team that the ones to which we are accustomed.  i look forward to seeing them play on the 6th vs. vipes.

I think this game can be chalked up to the jet leg and not having played a game in about three weeks.

Really? It can't be chalked up to the fact that Gustavus Adolphus was playing a 7-3 D2 team on its home floor that features this ...

Terrific size on the part of HPU. Their starters were: 6-8 250 lb, 6-8 265 lbs, 6-6 187lbs, 6-3 205 lbs, & 6-5 190lbs.  A couple of DI transfers, one from Illinois & one of the players is a cousin of former Florida Gator Udonis Haslem.

... in its rotation?

It's never a bad idea to acknowledge the opposition when it beats your team -- especially when the opposition is a scholarship-level team and yours isn't.

oh vikings...you are teasing me again...

CMobb...Well when your Coach is NUMBER 4...what should you expect?...remember other than an appearance in two Super Bowls early in Favre's career and a total choke job in the NFC title game two years ago, when was Green Bay ever really a threat to take it all?

You're kidding me, right? Favre was absolutely magnificent in bringing Minnesota back from a seventeen-point second-half deficit, and yet you're bashing him?

Minnesota lost that game because: a) the Bears wanted it more (sounds strange, since they're out of it and Minnesota's going to the playoffs, but it's true -- the Bears were playing for their jobs next season, as well as Lovie's and Turner's); b) Minnesota's O-line ran out of gas at the end of the game and the Chicago D-line didn't; c) a guy whom Lovie Smith didn't like enough to even activate for most of the season (Devin Aromashodu) stepped up and had a huge game in the absence of Devin Hester and Johnny Knox; d) the rookie MLB subbing for E.J. Henderson made some big mistakes for the Vikings; e) Bears rookie tackle Chris Williams, one of the few bright spots for Chicago GM Jerry Angelo in recent years in terms of his draft-day decisions, turned Jared Allen into a nonentity; f) Jay Cutler had one of his all-too-infrequent good games; and g) Hunter Hillenmeyer played like the name printed across his shoulders was "Urlacher" rather than "Hillenmeyer."

Favre was the major reason why Minnesota managed to get the game into overtime at all.

[Gregory Sager]

Oh, and this is probably the other reason why Chicago beat Minnesota. Try to close down our waterways, willya? Well, you can put your Asian carp in your pipe and smoke it!

[Gacman]

Gusties drop one to Hawaii Pacific University 80-73.   They appear to have been done in by ice cold three point shooting, going 4-26 from beyond the ark.  Paulson led the way with 15 points.  http://www.hpu.edu/images/Athletics/Mens_Basketball_2009-10/hpumbb10_a30132.htm

you beat me to the punch, nites.  amazing that gusties stayed as close as they did in spite of shooting woes.  if you rebound and don't turn the ball over, you can be "broke" and still have a chance.  seth anderson continues to justify his minutes, and tyler grey managed to get up 9 shots (8 threes)  in 11 minutes!!

nice job by cardinals vs. winona state.  this is definitely a better saint mary's team that the ones to which we are accustomed.  i look forward to seeing them play on the 6th vs. vipes.

I think this game can be chalked up to the jet leg and not having played a game in about three weeks.

Really? It can't be chalked up to the fact that Gustavus Adolphus was playing a 7-3 D2 team on its home floor that features this ...

Terrific size on the part of HPU. Their starters were: 6-8 250 lb, 6-8 265 lbs, 6-6 187lbs, 6-3 205 lbs, & 6-5 190lbs.  A couple of DI transfers, one from Illinois & one of the players is a cousin of former Florida Gator Udonis Haslem.

... in its rotation?

It's never a bad idea to acknowledge the opposition when it beats your team -- especially when the opposition is a scholarship-level team and yours isn't.

oh vikings...you are teasing me again...

CMobb...Well when your Coach is NUMBER 4...what should you expect?...remember other than an appearance in two Super Bowls early in Favre's career and a total choke job in the NFC title game two years ago, when was Green Bay ever really a threat to take it all?

You're kidding me, right? Favre was absolutely magnificent in bringing Minnesota back from a seventeen-point second-half deficit, and yet you're bashing him?

Minnesota lost that game because: a) the Bears wanted it more (sounds strange, since they're out of it and Minnesota's going to the playoffs, but it's true -- the Bears were playing for their jobs next season, as well as Lovie's and Turner's); b) Minnesota's O-line ran out of gas at the end of the game and the Chicago D-line didn't; c) a guy whom Lovie Smith didn't like enough to even activate for most of the season (Devin Aromashodu) stepped up and had a huge game in the absence of Devin Hester and Johnny Knox; d) the rookie MLB subbing for E.J. Henderson made some big mistakes for the Vikings; e) Bears rookie tackle Chris Williams, one of the few bright spots for Chicago GM Jerry Angelo in recent years in terms of his draft-day decisions, turned Jared Allen into a nonentity; f) Jay Cutler had one of his all-too-infrequent good games; and g) Hunter Hillenmeyer played like the name printed across his shoulders was "Urlacher" rather than "Hillenmeyer."

Favre was the major reason why Minnesota managed to get the game into overtime at all.

Sir, my comment was more facetious than anything, but looking at the game at face-value, it is a very plausible cause for the loss. Losses happen for a variety of reasons, and when a D-3 team is leading for the majority of the game and then seems to run out of gas at the end and losing in a close one, it isn't idiotic to assume a contributing factor was jet-leg. That D-2 scholarship team was outplayed in basically every facet of the game except for there extremely hot shooting and GAC's cold shooting. The other team earned it but, I'm not off with my comment about the game. Not having your legs will very often lead to poor shooting.

[sumander]

Class is in session! The



is in the house!!!

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Greg- That blocked PAT by daBears ended up being huge, as without it, MN probably would have won 31-30 in regulation.  It was good to see Cutler play the kind of game CHI expected of him when they traded for him. Two more weeks and the Vikes will be hitting the golf courses. To paraphrase a kinda/sorta legeandary sport commenator, "when was the last time MN was relevant?"

[Gregory Sager]

Sir, my comment was more facetious than anything, but looking at the game at face-value, it is a very plausible cause for the loss.

Well, which is it? Facetious or plausible? Those two things don't go together very well, you know.

Losses happen for a variety of reasons, and when a D-3 team is leading for the majority of the game and then seems to run out of gas at the end and losing in a close one, it isn't idiotic to assume a contributing factor was jet-leg.

Nobody said that GAC's jet lag (it's "jet lag," BTW, not "jet-leg") couldn't have been a contributing factor. My point was that you didn't even mention Hawai'i Pacific at all, much less give the Sea Warriors any credit for winning the game. You gave two reasons for the outcome: GAC's jet lag and GAC's three-week layoff. For all we know from your assessment, the Gusties could've been playing the Honolulu Institute of Tiki-Torch Design.

Also, your characterization of the game is somewhat misleading. Yes, Gustavus led for the majority of the game, but the Sea Warriors held the lead continuously throughout the last 14:25 of it. Nor did it appear that the Gusties "ran out of gas," since they trimmed a twelve-point HPU lead down to four in the game's waning minutes. If you run out of gas with fourteen-plus minutes to go and cough up the lead, the other team invariably runs away with the game ... and that's not what happened last night.

That D-2 scholarship team was outplayed in basically every facet of the game except for there extremely hot shooting and GAC's cold shooting.

Really? HPU was good at putting the ball in the basket and GAC wasn't, and other than that GAC was better? That's the basketball equivalent of asking Mary Todd Lincoln, "Other than that, ma'am, how did you like the play?"

Seriously, though, don't overthink the game of basketball. The scoreboard is always the bottom line. The sport is all about putting the big orange ball through the big orange hoop. If you do it more often than the other team, you win. GAC had a lot more shots in all three scoring phases than did HPU due to better rebounding and better ball protection -- GAC shot 69 field goal attempts to HPU's 58, 26 trey attempts to HPU's 19, and 24 FTs to HPU's 14 -- and yet the Sea Warriors made five more field goals, three more treys, and only six fewer free throws than did the Gusties. The shooting percentage disparities were huge: .537 to .377 FG, .368 to .154 trey, and .786 to .708, all in favor of HPU.

The Sea Warriors did the important things better than did the Gusties. Everything else is details.

The other team earned it

That's the line you should've included in your first post. It would've warded off my pestering you like this.

but, I'm not off with my comment about the game. Not having your legs will very often lead to poor shooting.

Do we know for a fact that GAC didn't "have its legs"? One can make the opposite case -- that three weeks of rest made the Gusties fresh. A better case can be made that GAC was rusty, but HPU was coming off of an eight-day layoff itself.

Again, this strikes me as an assumption on your part that the instrumental cause of the loss was something that GAC failed to do, rather than an acknowledgment that HPU might've had something to do with that instrumental cause. Is it not possible that HPU simply stepped it up in the second half, played better basketball, and imposed its will upon the Gusties?

[Gregory Sager]

Greg- That blocked PAT by daBears ended up being huge, as without it, MN probably would have won 31-30 in regulation.  It was good to see Cutler play the kind of game CHI expected of him when they traded for him. Two more weeks and the Vikes will be hitting the golf courses. To paraphrase a kinda/sorta legeandary sport commenator, "when was the last time MN was relevant?"

You're right about the blocked PAT attempt being huge, and I should've mentioned it. It's not a given that Minnesota would've won the game 31-30 if Idonije hadn't blocked it, though. Chicago scored two more touchdowns in regulation, one of them well within the usual fourth-quarter timespan in which coaches consult their chart to determine whether or not to go for two points. I think it's quite possible that the Bears would've elected to go for two after Bennett's TD catch with about five minutes left if the Minnesota PAT attempt hadn't been blocked earlier, and if they converted it the lead would've been 31-24.

[Willy Wonka]

Gusties drop one to Hawaii Pacific University 80-73.   They appear to have been done in by ice cold three point shooting, going 4-26 from beyond the ark.  Paulson led the way with 15 points.  http://www.hpu.edu/images/Athletics/Mens_Basketball_2009-10/hpumbb10_a30132.htm

you beat me to the punch, nites.  amazing that gusties stayed as close as they did in spite of shooting woes.  if you rebound and don't turn the ball over, you can be "broke" and still have a chance.  seth anderson continues to justify his minutes, and tyler grey managed to get up 9 shots (8 threes)  in 11 minutes!!

nice job by cardinals vs. winona state.  this is definitely a better saint mary's team that the ones to which we are accustomed.  i look forward to seeing them play on the 6th vs. vipes.

I think this game can be chalked up to the jet leg and not having played a game in about three weeks.

Really? It can't be chalked up to the fact that Gustavus Adolphus was playing a 7-3 D2 team on its home floor that features this ...

Terrific size on the part of HPU. Their starters were: 6-8 250 lb, 6-8 265 lbs, 6-6 187lbs, 6-3 205 lbs, & 6-5 190lbs.  A couple of DI transfers, one from Illinois & one of the players is a cousin of former Florida Gator Udonis Haslem.

... in its rotation?

It's never a bad idea to acknowledge the opposition when it beats your team -- especially when the opposition is a scholarship-level team and yours isn't.

oh vikings...you are teasing me again...

CMobb...Well when your Coach is NUMBER 4...what should you expect?...remember other than an appearance in two Super Bowls early in Favre's career and a total choke job in the NFC title game two years ago, when was Green Bay ever really a threat to take it all?

You're kidding me, right? Favre was absolutely magnificent in bringing Minnesota back from a seventeen-point second-half deficit, and yet you're bashing him?

Favre was the major reason why Minnesota managed to get the game into overtime at all.

This brings to mind the classic chicken-or-the egg theory.

If Favre doesn't completely suck in the first half — 36 yards, 2 fumbles — the "magnificent" second half wouldn't have been necessary. At the same time, you wouldn't be calling Favre magnificient if the Bears DB would have just caught the INT that was tipped right into his lap on the last drive.

Regardless, I think we can all agree that Chuckie's knees have to be a little tender after all the love he was sending #4's way last night...

[John Gleich]

UWSP leads UST 37-31 at the half.

[sumander]

Gacman meet the:



I think you just got taken out behind it!!

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Gacman meet the:



I think you just got taken out behind it!!

he may see the Tommies there too....OUCH! 47-66 w/ 6 mins left. Nicolai and Healy only ones to bring their shooting eyes. UWSP shooing 60%, UST 36%

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Point 78
UST 56
Final