MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[VOJ]

I would go as far as to bet a steak dinner at Mancini's that St. Thomas has never lost a game that "Yorky" has reffed...

We have a winner!

Go get your steak from 24-7...I didn't write that check Maverick .  Good research though.  That year ended with a loss to Stevens Point in the second round of the NCAA tournament at Point.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

I would go as far as to bet a steak dinner at Mancini's that St. Thomas has never lost a game that "Yorky" has reffed...

We have a winner!

Obviously, the other 2 refs HAD to be USJ alums   

[Drake Palmer]

...As you can plainly read the bold text...I think if you have some type of connection to the school...alum, kids go there, maybe you coach another sport, then you SHOULD NOT be on the game, so I don't agree with Herbst being on the game as I said to Maniac...too much pressure for him and it taints the game.  You can apologize to me later, Drake

That's not the most clearly articulated argument I've ever read VOJ. As you followed up the bolded text with this wandering sentence -

"...I think you are talking about Adam Herbst who is a backjudge on a football crew, as I remember he tossed a couple of flags against SJU defensive backs in that game, I do have to admit my memory is a little fuzzy when it comes to remembering each penalty, the only thing I truly remember is who won"

Are you in support of him (Herbst) working the game or not? Difficult to tell as you never clearly state that opinion.  Just my opinion.  What did winning or losing have to do with the subject of who's reffing the game.  I didn't follow the logic, thus the confusion & questioning icon on my part like this:   (smirk)

And as I see, the MIAC & board intern, is starting to do some of the heavy lifting & research around here.  Good job AO! I might have to think about +K for your contribution.  

I think  Mose had some good advice - find another conspiracy theory.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Hmmm...I advocate an Augsburg player as the best guard in the league and suggest one GAC post as a potential second-team all-conference player, along with about five non-Gusties, and that was enough to prompt accusations of an all-out GACfest? You might want to look in the mirror before suggesting I'm the one who's going overboard...

BTW - You did forget my selection for Coach of the Year 

And if you were referring to my shot at the current bigs...anyone who saw the league 10-15 years ago knows how poor the current crop of posts are, GAC included. Heck, even five years ago with Ike. There's no way Fritz even considers starting Archer (or Scott) as a post in past years, but it makes perfect sense in 2009-10.

I have to back Willy on this one. I like to call the late 90s the "Golden Age of MIAC Basketball." You had Wilhelm here at Carleton, Schmidt at Carleton in 95-96 before he went to GAC, Joldersma at Bethel and of course George at Augsburg. Of those four, Schmidt was the only guy who primarily stayed in the post. The rest were 6-6 or bigger, very athletic, could step out and hit the three or put it on the deck and finish. There's just no one around like that right now. Robertson is solid, and as well as he played in Monday's win over the 3-happy Knights, he missed three shots from point-blank that any of those four I mentioned would have hammered down.

Also side with Willy on Cassans. Best player on his team. Could score more if he wanted, but gets everyone involved, very good defender and is not a scorer only. Nicolai and Wright are both very good, but IMO Cassans is the most complete perimeter player in the league. Not saying 'best' or most valuable because you can define that however you wish, but most complete.

Yes, that was a era of some nice big men, altho Joldersma and George were far from true posts. I'd call each of them a textbook example of a PF.

None of the guys you name are among the top 3 posts in MIAC history. I'd say, in order, they are (1) Fritz, CST 67-71 (Steve, not Tommy, altho the job Tommy did shutting George down was amazing); (2) Frankie Alphabet (Wacholorowitz) of SJU 76-80; and (3) Rosier CST 70-74.

They all won championships and took their teams deep in the old NAIA tourney in a era where the NCAA was deemed a consolation prize at best (just as in D-I at that time the NIT was the tourney everyone wanted to play in). Granted, the hotpants they wore back then were ugly as sin, but these 3 set the bar that MIAC posts are judged against, and in the 100s of games I've seen since then, I've yet to see any post come close to being ranked with those 3. ALphabet was intimidating, dominating and just plain aggressive. Rosier was the first 7 footer in MN and his height alone made him nearly unstoppable. Fritz was an extremely fluid player for a big guy, agile and a hell of a defender as well as being able to score nearly at will.

The way the game has evolved, I doubt we will ever see a dominant posts on the lines of the big 3 again. Kids like that end up in D-I now, and succeed there, too

[bballfan247365]

I would go as far as to bet a steak dinner at Mancini's that St. Thomas has never lost a game that "Yorky" has reffed...

We have a winner!

Obviously, the other 2 refs HAD to be USJ alums   

Yes - Never is a long time...  Get me an address and I will pay up.  

But even as a Tommie Alum - my point is that when you see an official working a game with direct ties to any school "regardless of how good" makes it LOOK like a conflict of interest.. 

I am all for taking your kids to work - but when you show up to work and your kid is wearing the opposing schools gear....  it does not help the credibility... 

For another Dinner??? .... I bet there would have been some unhappy Gopher fans on the day Tubby had his first press conference - if his son Saul would of been sitting there in the crowd with a Wisconsin sweatshirt on...... 

[VOJ]

...As you can plainly read the bold text...I think if you have some type of connection to the school...alum, kids go there, maybe you coach another sport, then you SHOULD NOT be on the game, so I don't agree with Herbst being on the game as I said to Maniac...too much pressure for him and it taints the game.  You can apologize to me later, Drake

That's not the most clearly articulated argument I've ever read VOJ. As you followed up the bolded text with this wandering sentence -

"...I think you are talking about Adam Herbst who is a backjudge on a football crew, as I remember he tossed a couple of flags against SJU defensive backs in that game, I do have to admit my memory is a little fuzzy when it comes to remembering each penalty, the only thing I truly remember is who won"

Are you in support of him (Herbst) working the game or not? Difficult to tell as you never clearly state that opinion.  Just my opinion.  What did winning or losing have to do with the subject of who's reffing the game.  I didn't follow the logic, thus the confusion & questioning icon on my part like this:   (smirk)

And as I see, the MIAC & board intern, is starting to do some of the heavy lifting & research around here.  Good job AO! I might have to think about +K for your contribution.  

I think  Mose had some good advice - find another conspiracy theory.

You're right, should have been more forthcoming with my stance...which I think you know now, I was just trying to snipe a little at Mose because I know you like that

Its not a conspiracy theory, obviously SJU won when Yorky reffed, it looks bad that is my point.

[VOJ]

I would go as far as to bet a steak dinner at Mancini's that St. Thomas has never lost a game that "Yorky" has reffed...

We have a winner!

Obviously, the other 2 refs HAD to be USJ alums   

Yes - Never is a long time...  Get me an address and I will pay up.  

But even as a Tommie Alum - my point is that when you see an official working a game with direct ties to any school "regardless of how good" makes it LOOK like a conflict of interest.. 

I am all for taking your kids to work - but when you show up to work and your kid is wearing the opposing schools gear....  it does not help the credibility... 

For another Dinner??? .... I bet there would have been some unhappy Gopher fans on the day Tubby had his first press conference - if his son Saul would of been sitting there in the crowd with a Wisconsin sweatshirt on...... 

Maybe what needs to happen is a meeting before an MIAC playoff game or the title tilt where 24-7 picks up AO's beer tab...that should be payoff enough maybe a burger to boot and if its at MAC or CSP then the Nook would be a place to go.

[piperinsider]

I would go as far as to bet a steak dinner at Mancini's that St. Thomas has never lost a game that "Yorky" has reffed...

We have a winner!

Obviously, the other 2 refs HAD to be USJ alums   

Yes - Never is a long time...  Get me an address and I will pay up.  

But even as a Tommie Alum - my point is that when you see an official working a game with direct ties to any school "regardless of how good" makes it LOOK like a conflict of interest.. 

I am all for taking your kids to work - but when you show up to work and your kid is wearing the opposing schools gear....  it does not help the credibility... 

For another Dinner??? .... I bet there would have been some unhappy Gopher fans on the day Tubby had his first press conference - if his son Saul would of been sitting there in the crowd with a Wisconsin sweatshirt on...... 

Maybe what needs to happen is a meeting before an MIAC playoff game or the title tilt where 24-7 picks up AO's beer tab...that should be payoff enough maybe a burger to boot and if its at MAC or CSP then the Nook would be a place to go.

I'm not sure the Nook can fit the enormous egos of this board. We should bring back the MIAC Championship Cookout. We sure had some fun during its run.

From Pat Russell pulling up in a Diesel truck with a gas grill in the back at UST (the temp dropped 30 degrees during that cookout and, yes, CMob was on roller skates) to "Welcome OneArmedScott and MIAC Fans" at the old liquor store on Broadway and 169 in St. Pete to Sean Sweeney digging the Sheep costume at UST.......great times.

I believe I made it to four straight - twice at UST and twice at GAC.

[Willy Wonka]

Hmmm...I advocate an Augsburg player as the best guard in the league and suggest one GAC post as a potential second-team all-conference player, along with about five non-Gusties, and that was enough to prompt accusations of an all-out GACfest? You might want to look in the mirror before suggesting I'm the one who's going overboard...

BTW - You did forget my selection for Coach of the Year 

And if you were referring to my shot at the current bigs...anyone who saw the league 10-15 years ago knows how poor the current crop of posts are, GAC included. Heck, even five years ago with Ike. There's no way Fritz even considers starting Archer (or Scott) as a post in past years, but it makes perfect sense in 2009-10.

I have to back Willy on this one. I like to call the late 90s the "Golden Age of MIAC Basketball." You had Wilhelm here at Carleton, Schmidt at Carleton in 95-96 before he went to GAC, Joldersma at Bethel and of course George at Augsburg. Of those four, Schmidt was the only guy who primarily stayed in the post. The rest were 6-6 or bigger, very athletic, could step out and hit the three or put it on the deck and finish. There's just no one around like that right now. Robertson is solid, and as well as he played in Monday's win over the 3-happy Knights, he missed three shots from point-blank that any of those four I mentioned would have hammered down.

Also side with Willy on Cassans. Best player on his team. Could score more if he wanted, but gets everyone involved, very good defender and is not a scorer only. Nicolai and Wright are both very good, but IMO Cassans is the most complete perimeter player in the league. Not saying 'best' or most valuable because you can define that however you wish, but most complete.

Yes, that was a era of some nice big men, altho Joldersma and George were far from true posts. I'd call each of them a textbook example of a PF.

None of the guys you name are among the top 3 posts in MIAC history. I'd say, in order, they are (1) Fritz, CST 67-71 (Steve, not Tommy, altho the job Tommy did shutting George down was amazing); (2) Frankie Alphabet (Wacholorowitz) of SJU 76-80; and (3) Rosier CST 70-74.

They all won championships and took their teams deep in the old NAIA tourney in a era where the NCAA was deemed a consolation prize at best (just as in D-I at that time the NIT was the tourney everyone wanted to play in). Granted, the hotpants they wore back then were ugly as sin, but these 3 set the bar that MIAC posts are judged against, and in the 100s of games I've seen since then, I've yet to see any post come close to being ranked with those 3. ALphabet was intimidating, dominating and just plain aggressive. Rosier was the first 7 footer in MN and his height alone made him nearly unstoppable. Fritz was an extremely fluid player for a big guy, agile and a hell of a defender as well as being able to score nearly at will.

The way the game has evolved, I doubt we will ever see a dominant posts on the lines of the big 3 again. Kids like that end up in D-I now, and succeed there, too

It's an interesting debate. Here are a few tidbits to add from a GAC perspective. The comparison isn't exactly complete since the bios contain limited info, but the similarities are striking.

Mark Hanson
1979-83 at GAC
1,774 points (school record)
824 rebounds (second most)
4-time all-conference selection
2-time NAIA All-American
Academic All-American
.707 winning percentage in 20 years coaching the Gusties

Steve Fritz
1967-71 at CST
1,944 points (second best)
915 rebounds (third best)
84-24 record as player (.778)
3-time all-conference selection
.697 winning percentage in 30 years coaching the Tommies

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Hmmm...I advocate an Augsburg player as the best guard in the league and suggest one GAC post as a potential second-team all-conference player, along with about five non-Gusties, and that was enough to prompt accusations of an all-out GACfest? You might want to look in the mirror before suggesting I'm the one who's going overboard...

BTW - You did forget my selection for Coach of the Year  

And if you were referring to my shot at the current bigs...anyone who saw the league 10-15 years ago knows how poor the current crop of posts are, GAC included. Heck, even five years ago with Ike. There's no way Fritz even considers starting Archer (or Scott) as a post in past years, but it makes perfect sense in 2009-10.

I have to back Willy on this one. I like to call the late 90s the "Golden Age of MIAC Basketball." You had Wilhelm here at Carleton, Schmidt at Carleton in 95-96 before he went to GAC, Joldersma at Bethel and of course George at Augsburg. Of those four, Schmidt was the only guy who primarily stayed in the post. The rest were 6-6 or bigger, very athletic, could step out and hit the three or put it on the deck and finish. There's just no one around like that right now. Robertson is solid, and as well as he played in Monday's win over the 3-happy Knights, he missed three shots from point-blank that any of those four I mentioned would have hammered down.

Also side with Willy on Cassans. Best player on his team. Could score more if he wanted, but gets everyone involved, very good defender and is not a scorer only. Nicolai and Wright are both very good, but IMO Cassans is the most complete perimeter player in the league. Not saying 'best' or most valuable because you can define that however you wish, but most complete.

Yes, that was a era of some nice big men, altho Joldersma and George were far from true posts. I'd call each of them a textbook example of a PF.

None of the guys you name are among the top 3 posts in MIAC history. I'd say, in order, they are (1) Fritz, CST 67-71 (Steve, not Tommy, altho the job Tommy did shutting George down was amazing); (2) Frankie Alphabet (Wacholorowitz) of SJU 76-80; and (3) Rosier CST 70-74.

They all won championships and took their teams deep in the old NAIA tourney in a era where the NCAA was deemed a consolation prize at best (just as in D-I at that time the NIT was the tourney everyone wanted to play in). Granted, the hotpants they wore back then were ugly as sin, but these 3 set the bar that MIAC posts are judged against, and in the 100s of games I've seen since then, I've yet to see any post come close to being ranked with those 3. ALphabet was intimidating, dominating and just plain aggressive. Rosier was the first 7 footer in MN and his height alone made him nearly unstoppable. Fritz was an extremely fluid player for a big guy, agile and a hell of a defender as well as being able to score nearly at will.

The way the game has evolved, I doubt we will ever see a dominant posts on the lines of the big 3 again. Kids like that end up in D-I now, and succeed there, too

It's an interesting debate. Here are a few tidbits to add from a GAC perspective. The comparison isn't exactly complete since the bios contain limited info, but the similarities are striking.

Mark Hanson
1979-83 at GAC
1,774 points (school record)
824 rebounds (second most)
4-time all-conference selection
2-time NAIA All-American
Academic All-American
.707 winning percentage in 20 years coaching the Gusties

Steve Fritz
1967-71 at CST
1,944 points (second best)
915 rebounds (third best)
84-24 record as player (.778)
3-time all-conference selection
.697 winning percentage in 30 years coaching the Tommies

I say we arrange a mano-a-mano one-on-one between the two legends!!! However, since Hanson has a 12 year "youth" edge, we spot Fritzie 12 points.

I'd pay $$$ to see this one! We can use it as a fundraiser for Haitian relief.

VOJ can provide the play by play (or plod by plod as the case may be).   (One caveat-- NO pre-1999 shorts!! ESPECIALLY on VOJ).

Reffing by Papa hoops and/or the invisble man(AKA Drake)

Kalland vs. Koz in the premlin and Hayes vs. Tauer in the opening match. maybe Sean Sweeney can be roped in for a final battle with McKenzie to round out the action. If not, Im sure Jake Phillips will go up against Pat Tee

[Drake Palmer]

Sensei Sager proteges - if you would like to hear the voice of the Sensei rather than just read his pearls of wit & wisdom,  click here.

Greg is serving as the webcast announcer on the home broadcasts of North Park University basketball team this season.  The surprising NPU Vikes are currently tied for first in the CCIW.  I think I just might check out a game later on tonight. 

They archive their broadcasts for the past two weeks, hint, hint.  I believe Carleton archives games for a few weeks, but it sure would be nice if some of the other schools in the MIAC would do this.

[John Gleich]

Sensei Sager proteges - if you would like to hear the voice of the Sensei rather than just read his pearls of wit & wisdom,  click here.

Greg is serving as the webcast announcer on the home broadcasts of North Park University basketball team this season.  The surprising NPU Vikes are currently tied for first in the CCIW.  I think I just might check out a game later on tonight. 

They archive their broadcasts for the past two weeks, hint, hint.  I believe Carleton archives games for a few weeks, but it sure would be nice if some of the other schools in the MIAC would do this.

That really is the next step... It's great to have these live, but what if you can't watch it live and want to watch it later?

Online storage is really cheap these days, so it makes sense and isn't all that much work (the same way that it really isn't all that much work to show live video, too!)

[Gacman]

Some surprising scores at halftime.  No close games except up in cobberville.

UST  STO      GAC   CON      CAR   SJU        HAM  MAC     BU    SMU
31 -  13         40  -  35         48  -  29         45  -  28       48  -  33

[Gregory Sager]

Sensei Sager proteges - if you would like to hear the voice of the Sensei rather than just read his pearls of wit & wisdom,  click here.

Greg is serving as the webcast announcer on the home broadcasts of North Park University basketball team this season.  The surprising NPU Vikes are currently tied for first in the CCIW.  I think I just might check out a game later on tonight.  

They archive their broadcasts for the past two weeks, hint, hint.  I believe Carleton archives games for a few weeks, but it sure would be nice if some of the other schools in the MIAC would do this.

Thanks for the pub, DP! We actually archive all of our broadcasts, dating back to the beginning of the season. Also, I've done three North Park games solo thus far: Trinity International, UW-Superior, and Wheaton (all of which went into overtime, which I trust is merely a bizarre coincidence). For the other games I've been the color commentator alongside PBP man Rob Berki, a former standout center for the Vikings a decade ago who is now an NPU administrator and occasional poster over in the CCIW room.

It's not exactly ESPN -- we have one camera and a camera operator, two head mics, and two laptops, and that's it -- but we're having a lot of fun with it. And the picture quality is actually pretty good.

[Ralph Turner]

Any gratuitous shots of the Crazies during the breaks in the action.