MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[VOJ]

Based upon the latest Massey Rating, the MIAC is ranked #2 in the country.  I don't have any historical data, but off the top of my head I can't come up with another year where the conference might have been ranked nearly this high.
   out of the 413 D3 teams ranked by Massey:
#2    St. Thomas
#18  Augsburg
#23  St. John's
#26  Hamline
#27  Gustavus
#28  Carleton
#63  Bethel
#65  Concordia
#90  St. Olaf
#96  St. Mary's
#341 Macalester

The MIAC could have their own bracket in the NCAA tournament based on these ratings if they took the top 59, 62, 64, whatever the number of teams is regardless of conference, but of course you have to have the AQ's in there.

You have to wonder about the rankings because of the following results:  The Johnnies beat Augsburg once this year but have lost to both Hamline and GAC...the Js are rated behind Auggy but in front of both teams they lost to.  Quite the drop off from SMU to MAC

[Gregory Sager]

Based upon the latest Massey Rating, the MIAC is ranked #2 in the country.  I don't have any historical data, but off the top of my head I can't come up with another year where the conference might have been ranked nearly this high.
   out of the 413 D3 teams ranked by Massey:
#2    St. Thomas
#18  Augsburg
#23  St. John's
#26  Hamline
#27  Gustavus
#28  Carleton
#63  Bethel
#65  Concordia
#90  St. Olaf
#96  St. Mary's
#341 Macalester

The MIAC could have their own bracket in the NCAA tournament based on these ratings if they took the top 59, 62, 64, whatever the number of teams is regardless of conference, but of course you have to have the AQ's in there.

You have to wonder about the rankings because of the following results:  The Johnnies beat Augsburg once this year but have lost to both Hamline and GAC...the Js are rated behind Auggy but in front of both teams they lost to.  Quite the drop off from SMU to MAC

There's been a certain amount of speculating about what's up with the Masseys this year over on the national boards, as there appear to be some, ah, peculiarities with the ratings. Everybody who is in near geographic proximity to the WIAC appears to be elevated in the rankings this year.

[AO]

Based upon the latest Massey Rating, the MIAC is ranked #2 in the country.  I don't have any historical data, but off the top of my head I can't come up with another year where the conference might have been ranked nearly this high.
   out of the 413 D3 teams ranked by Massey:
#2    St. Thomas
#18  Augsburg
#23  St. John's
#26  Hamline
#27  Gustavus
#28  Carleton
#63  Bethel
#65  Concordia
#90  St. Olaf
#96  St. Mary's
#341 Macalester

The MIAC could have their own bracket in the NCAA tournament based on these ratings if they took the top 59, 62, 64, whatever the number of teams is regardless of conference, but of course you have to have the AQ's in there.

You have to wonder about the rankings because of the following results:  The Johnnies beat Augsburg once this year but have lost to both Hamline and GAC...the Js are rated behind Auggy but in front of both teams they lost to.  Quite the drop off from SMU to MAC

There's been a certain amount of speculating about what's up with the Masseys this year over on the national boards, as there appear to be some, ah, peculiarities with the ratings. Everybody who is in near geographic proximity to the WIAC appears to be elevated in the rankings this year.

There isn't much peculiar about the MIAC, WIAC and CCIW dominating in non-conference play.  Massey does a better job than the d3 owp of recognizing the true strength of a victory.  the MACC has a lot of teams highly rated in owp as their opponents have had good records, but when we go further into the strength of the schedule as massey's computers do, we find the midwest was playing better teams in their wins.

[VOJ]

Based upon the latest Massey Rating, the MIAC is ranked #2 in the country.  I don't have any historical data, but off the top of my head I can't come up with another year where the conference might have been ranked nearly this high.
   out of the 413 D3 teams ranked by Massey:
#2    St. Thomas
#18  Augsburg
#23  St. John's
#26  Hamline
#27  Gustavus
#28  Carleton
#63  Bethel
#65  Concordia
#90  St. Olaf
#96  St. Mary's
#341 Macalester

The MIAC could have their own bracket in the NCAA tournament based on these ratings if they took the top 59, 62, 64, whatever the number of teams is regardless of conference, but of course you have to have the AQ's in there.

You have to wonder about the rankings because of the following results:  The Johnnies beat Augsburg once this year but have lost to both Hamline and GAC...the Js are rated behind Auggy but in front of both teams they lost to.  Quite the drop off from SMU to MAC

There's been a certain amount of speculating about what's up with the Masseys this year over on the national boards, as there appear to be some, ah, peculiarities with the ratings. Everybody who is in near geographic proximity to the WIAC appears to be elevated in the rankings this year.

Just checked the Auggies schedule, not sure how much love they get for that win over a River Falls team that is 9-13 and 3-10 in the WIAC...however I know RF just won at Whitewater so that might help...I guess it must be those wins over Loras and powerhouse Northwestern    that are getting them the respect in the rankings...

[AO]

Reusse has a nice write up on the travels of Downtown Ray Brown in the strib today.  

Let's start some rumors on who might have sent the letter claiming brown's ineligibility to the MIAC office.  I'd say it's either wonka or royce white.  

[Gregory Sager]

Based upon the latest Massey Rating, the MIAC is ranked #2 in the country.  I don't have any historical data, but off the top of my head I can't come up with another year where the conference might have been ranked nearly this high.
   out of the 413 D3 teams ranked by Massey:
#2    St. Thomas
#18  Augsburg
#23  St. John's
#26  Hamline
#27  Gustavus
#28  Carleton
#63  Bethel
#65  Concordia
#90  St. Olaf
#96  St. Mary's
#341 Macalester

The MIAC could have their own bracket in the NCAA tournament based on these ratings if they took the top 59, 62, 64, whatever the number of teams is regardless of conference, but of course you have to have the AQ's in there.

You have to wonder about the rankings because of the following results:  The Johnnies beat Augsburg once this year but have lost to both Hamline and GAC...the Js are rated behind Auggy but in front of both teams they lost to.  Quite the drop off from SMU to MAC

There's been a certain amount of speculating about what's up with the Masseys this year over on the national boards, as there appear to be some, ah, peculiarities with the ratings. Everybody who is in near geographic proximity to the WIAC appears to be elevated in the rankings this year.

There isn't much peculiar about the MIAC, WIAC and CCIW dominating in non-conference play.  Massey does a better job than the d3 owp of recognizing the true strength of a victory.  the MACC has a lot of teams highly rated in owp as their opponents have had good records, but when we go further into the strength of the schedule as massey's computers do, we find the midwest was playing better teams in their wins.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

[AO]

Just checked the Auggies schedule, not sure how much love they get for that win over a River Falls team that is 9-13 and 3-10 in the WIAC...however I know RF just won at Whitewater so that might help...I guess it must be those wins over Loras and powerhouse Northwestern    that are getting them the respect in the rankings...

#94 Northwestern is 15-6 with a win over #16 St. Norberts.  Sounds like a pretty good win to me....as I said, Massey does a better job of understanding the true power of a river falls team that plays in a tough league.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

[VOJ]

Just checked the Auggies schedule, not sure how much love they get for that win over a River Falls team that is 9-13 and 3-10 in the WIAC...however I know RF just won at Whitewater so that might help...I guess it must be those wins over Loras and powerhouse Northwestern    that are getting them the respect in the rankings...

#94 Northwestern is 15-6 with a win over #16 St. Norberts.  Sounds like a pretty good win to me....as I said, Massey does a better job of understanding the true power of a river falls team that plays in a tough league.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

AO...let's see what St. Norbert's does when they run up against a good team from the WIAC...or the CCIW.  The fact they lost to a team that may not finish in the top 6 in the MIAC says one thing to me...they are a paper lion...play someone, then we can talk.

[Pat Coleman]

Based upon the latest Massey Rating, the MIAC is ranked #2 in the country.  I don't have any historical data, but off the top of my head I can't come up with another year where the conference might have been ranked nearly this high.
   out of the 413 D3 teams ranked by Massey:
#2    St. Thomas
#18  Augsburg
#23  St. John's
#26  Hamline
#27  Gustavus
#28  Carleton
#63  Bethel
#65  Concordia
#90  St. Olaf
#96  St. Mary's
#341 Macalester

The MIAC could have their own bracket in the NCAA tournament based on these ratings if they took the top 59, 62, 64, whatever the number of teams is regardless of conference, but of course you have to have the AQ's in there.

You have to wonder about the rankings because of the following results:  The Johnnies beat Augsburg once this year but have lost to both Hamline and GAC...the Js are rated behind Auggy but in front of both teams they lost to.  Quite the drop off from SMU to MAC

There's been a certain amount of speculating about what's up with the Masseys this year over on the national boards, as there appear to be some, ah, peculiarities with the ratings. Everybody who is in near geographic proximity to the WIAC appears to be elevated in the rankings this year.

Just checked the Auggies schedule, not sure how much love they get for that win over a River Falls team that is 9-13 and 3-10 in the WIAC...however I know RF just won at Whitewater so that might help...I guess it must be those wins over Loras and powerhouse Northwestern    that are getting them the respect in the rankings...

Remember, VOJ, all the games are connected, so Augsburg benefits from all the WIAC games River Falls plays, and all the games it plays against other teams who play WIAC teams.

[Gregory Sager]

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

Hence, my disagreement with this statement:

There isn't much peculiar about the MIAC, WIAC and CCIW dominating in non-conference play.

[AO]

Just checked the Auggies schedule, not sure how much love they get for that win over a River Falls team that is 9-13 and 3-10 in the WIAC...however I know RF just won at Whitewater so that might help...I guess it must be those wins over Loras and powerhouse Northwestern    that are getting them the respect in the rankings...

#94 Northwestern is 15-6 with a win over #16 St. Norberts.  Sounds like a pretty good win to me....as I said, Massey does a better job of understanding the true power of a river falls team that plays in a tough league.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

AO...let's see what St. Norbert's does when they run up against a good team from the WIAC...or the CCIW.  The fact they lost to a team that may not finish in the top 6 in the MIAC says one thing to me...they are a paper lion...play someone, then we can talk.

St. Norbert > Elmhurst > Hamline.      St. Norbert > UW-oshkosh.   St. Norbert > Chicago > Ill. Wesleyan.      They've earned their ranking.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

Hence, my disagreement with this statement:

There isn't much peculiar about the MIAC, WIAC and CCIW dominating in non-conference play.

Maybe the rest of the nation is down?  MIACers generally don't seem to believe this year's crop is worthy of 2 bids, even though the conference has wins over wooster, wheaton, oshkosh, eau claire and almost shut-out the IIAC.

[Gregory Sager]

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

Hence, my disagreement with this statement:

There isn't much peculiar about the MIAC, WIAC and CCIW dominating in non-conference play.

Maybe the rest of the nation is down?  MIACers generally don't seem to believe this year's crop is worthy of 2 bids, even though the conference has wins over wooster, wheaton, oshkosh, eau claire and almost shut-out the IIAC.

Again, though, by historical standards that is peculiar.

[VOJ]

Just checked the Auggies schedule, not sure how much love they get for that win over a River Falls team that is 9-13 and 3-10 in the WIAC...however I know RF just won at Whitewater so that might help...I guess it must be those wins over Loras and powerhouse Northwestern    that are getting them the respect in the rankings...

#94 Northwestern is 15-6 with a win over #16 St. Norberts.  Sounds like a pretty good win to me....as I said, Massey does a better job of understanding the true power of a river falls team that plays in a tough league.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

AO...let's see what St. Norbert's does when they run up against a good team from the WIAC...or the CCIW.  The fact they lost to a team that may not finish in the top 6 in the MIAC says one thing to me...they are a paper lion...play someone, then we can talk.

St. Norbert > Elmhurst > Hamline.      St. Norbert > UW-oshkosh.   St. Norbert > Chicago > Ill. Wesleyan.      They've earned their ranking.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

Hence, my disagreement with this statement:

There isn't much peculiar about the MIAC, WIAC and CCIW dominating in non-conference play.

Maybe the rest of the nation is down?  MIACers generally don't seem to believe this year's crop is worthy of 2 bids, even though the conference has wins over wooster, wheaton, oshkosh, eau claire and almost shut-out the IIAC.

Interesting logic AO...but flawed...the Elmhurst game was the 1st game of the year, and Elmhurst this year is 6-15 and 1-9 in their conference...does not say much, Oshkosh is 9-12 and 4-9 in conference play and Chicago is 11-9 and 5-4 in conference...you almost bring more ammo to my argument about how St. Norbert's has not played anyone...Ill Wesleyan is good this year and the loss to Chicago was @ Chicago which takes away from the win a little.

[AO]

Just checked the Auggies schedule, not sure how much love they get for that win over a River Falls team that is 9-13 and 3-10 in the WIAC...however I know RF just won at Whitewater so that might help...I guess it must be those wins over Loras and powerhouse Northwestern    that are getting them the respect in the rankings...

#94 Northwestern is 15-6 with a win over #16 St. Norberts.  Sounds like a pretty good win to me....as I said, Massey does a better job of understanding the true power of a river falls team that plays in a tough league.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

AO...let's see what St. Norbert's does when they run up against a good team from the WIAC...or the CCIW.  The fact they lost to a team that may not finish in the top 6 in the MIAC says one thing to me...they are a paper lion...play someone, then we can talk.

St. Norbert > Elmhurst > Hamline.      St. Norbert > UW-oshkosh.   St. Norbert > Chicago > Ill. Wesleyan.      They've earned their ranking.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

Hence, my disagreement with this statement:

There isn't much peculiar about the MIAC, WIAC and CCIW dominating in non-conference play.

Maybe the rest of the nation is down?  MIACers generally don't seem to believe this year's crop is worthy of 2 bids, even though the conference has wins over wooster, wheaton, oshkosh, eau claire and almost shut-out the IIAC.

Interesting logic AO...but flawed...the Elmhurst game was the 1st game of the year, and Elmhurst this year is 6-15 and 1-9 in their conference...does not say much, Oshkosh is 9-12 and 4-9 in conference play and Chicago is 11-9 and 5-4 in conference...you almost bring more ammo to my argument about how St. Norbert's has not played anyone...Ill Wesleyan is good this year and the loss to Chicago was @ Chicago which takes away from the win a little.

It's not my logic.  It's what happened and Massey and d3hoops have rated them accordingly.  You can't blame St. Norberts for scheduling and beating nearly everyone on their schedule.   We'll see come playoff time, but it might be hard to tell for sure if they get beat by stevens point or the tommies in the first round.  The midwest conference has certainly had some formidable teams in recent years with lawrence and carroll getting some good playoff wins.

[columbianmaffia]

Just checked the Auggies schedule, not sure how much love they get for that win over a River Falls team that is 9-13 and 3-10 in the WIAC...however I know RF just won at Whitewater so that might help...I guess it must be those wins over Loras and powerhouse Northwestern    that are getting them the respect in the rankings...

#94 Northwestern is 15-6 with a win over #16 St. Norberts.  Sounds like a pretty good win to me....as I said, Massey does a better job of understanding the true power of a river falls team that plays in a tough league.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

AO...let's see what St. Norbert's does when they run up against a good team from the WIAC...or the CCIW.  The fact they lost to a team that may not finish in the top 6 in the MIAC says one thing to me...they are a paper lion...play someone, then we can talk.

St. Norbert > Elmhurst > Hamline.      St. Norbert > UW-oshkosh.   St. Norbert > Chicago > Ill. Wesleyan.      They've earned their ranking.

The MIAC hasn't historically been anywhere near as strong as the WIAC and the CCIW in non-conference play, even though it has the UMAC to beat up every November and December (sorry, not trying to open that can of worms again, just stating the facts). Last year the MIAC was 35-34 in non-con play, the year before it was 33-32, and the year before that it was 32-35.

Historically no.  This year, yes.

Hence, my disagreement with this statement:

There isn't much peculiar about the MIAC, WIAC and CCIW dominating in non-conference play.

Maybe the rest of the nation is down?  MIACers generally don't seem to believe this year's crop is worthy of 2 bids, even though the conference has wins over wooster, wheaton, oshkosh, eau claire and almost shut-out the IIAC.

Interesting logic AO...but flawed...the Elmhurst game was the 1st game of the year, and Elmhurst this year is 6-15 and 1-9 in their conference...does not say much, Oshkosh is 9-12 and 4-9 in conference play and Chicago is 11-9 and 5-4 in conference...you almost bring more ammo to my argument about how St. Norbert's has not played anyone...Ill Wesleyan is good this year and the loss to Chicago was @ Chicago which takes away from the win a little.

It's not my logic.  It's what happened and Massey and d3hoops have rated them accordingly.  You can't blame St. Norberts for scheduling and beating nearly everyone on their schedule.   We'll see come playoff time, but it might be hard to tell for sure if they get beat by stevens point or the tommies in the first round.  The midwest conference has certainly had some formidable teams in recent years with lawrence and carroll getting some good playoff wins.

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