MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[columbianmaffia]

you got me piper!

my article still had less errors than a sid hartman article though! 

[Nites]

All-Conference - Conference stats only:

   PPG   RB   FG%   FT%   3P%   A   ST   BS

Player 1   15.0   8.6   .864   .475   .296   1.6   13   2

Player 2   11.3   2.5   .419   .721   .343   1.5   22   6


Who's All-Conference and who's not?  Hint:  Think purple and it all makes sense.   

[Drake Palmer]

All-Conference - Conference stats only:

   PPG   RB   FG%   FT%   3P%   A   ST   BS

Player 1   15.0   8.6   .864   .475   .296   1.6   13   2

Player 2   11.3   2.5   .419   .721   .343   1.5   22   6


Who's All-Conference and who's not?  Hint:  Think purple and it all makes sense.   

I see your point Nites, but...

If Player 1 was so special, don't you think that along with players B & C, who both made All Conference, that Team X would do better than a 7-13 conference record? 

I'm still miffed by the omission of Bryan Rosett. Not only did he make the All Defensive team last year, he also made All Conference. 

[Willy Wonka]

All-Conference - Conference stats only:

   PPG   RB   FG%   FT%   3P%   A   ST   BS

Player 1   15.0   8.6   .864   .475   .296   1.6   13   2

Player 2   11.3   2.5   .419   .721   .343   1.5   22   6


Who's All-Conference and who's not?  Hint:  Think purple and it all makes sense.   

I see your point Nites, but...

If Player 1 was so special, don't you think that along with players B & C, who both made All Conference, that Team X would do better than a 7-13 conference record? 

I'm still miffed by the omission of Bryan Rosett. Not only did he make the All Defensive team last year, he also made All Conference. 

Completely disagree. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Judge the players on the merits they put forth on the court.

I mean, UST's top five JV players might be better than St. Mary's 4-8 rotation guys. If I had to bet on that game, I'd take the Tommies eight days a week. But why should that distinction matter in all-conference awards? While Palmer clearly has things to work on — passing and limiting turnovers, mostly — the stuff he is good at he is VERY good at. I feel pretty strongly that he was one of the five best players on the court in every game this season, no matter the opponent.

He finished tied for fourth in scoring and fifth in rebounding. He shot 48%. He was the most dynamic freshman the league has seen in at least a few years. If the biggest knock on him is his teammates aren't talented enough to post a winning record...that's really a shame.

Who would I take off to include him on the list? There are three easy candidates in my mind: McPartland, Fraase and Scott.

Scott can be excluded from this discussion because we all know the coaches aren't willing to swallow their pride to demote last season's joke MVP off the all-conference team. But the other two are very borderline picks, at best.

McPartland posted 11.3 PPG and 5.6 RPG while essentially splitting time (23.9 MPG) with reserves. His grinding style was commendable and fit GAC's offense well, he was never really a difference maker. He disappeared in the postseason games, too (4 PPG). You won't hear Hanson ever admit it, but I'm really not sure this Gustie team deserved even one all-conference player, much less two. They were a classic example of the sum exceeding the parts.

Fraase's situation is a little more similar to Palmer's in that he put up solid numbers (12.4 PPG, 10.4 RPG) on a team that struggled. However, he was benched in at least one game (vs. GAC) because of defensive deficiencies and, as a true post, shot just 45% from the floor. Apparently two extra wins cover for the preseason MVP candidate's step back this season and make him more worthy than Palmer, which is what I was referring to before, DP.

FWIW, I'm not surprised Nicolai won POY. The coaches set that standard a year ago and the next best candidates finished with a thud on average teams. It just wasn't a real strong pool to pick from, unlike a year ago.

[papahoops]

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I'm still miffed by the omission of Bryan Rosett. Not only did he make the All Defensive team last year, he also made All Conference. 

Right on DP. Rosett should have been in any top 16 list and on the defensive team as well.

WW, No question Palmer's numbers were solid, but he was a victim of either FY bias (I have seen very few deserving FY players make all MIAC) or team record, whether it is fair or not. Many conferences dole out all conference selections based on team standings (top team gets 3 players, other top tier teams 2 players, and lower tier teams 1 or none). Based on this type of formula, there is no way SMU gets 3 selections, and it appears MIAC coaches may be thinking this way. In fact, MacPartland's selection over Rosett could have been influenced by coaches not wanting to slight the second place team with only one selection and giving 3 players from the 4th place team the nod. The fact that Carleton ended up winning the conference playoffs is a signal they truly deserved 3 selections.

[Nites]

All-Conference - Conference stats only:

   PPG   RB   FG%   FT%   3P%   A   ST   BS

Player 1   15.0   8.6   .864   .475   .296   1.6   13   2

Player 2   11.3   2.5   .419   .721   .343   1.5   22   6


Who's All-Conference and who's not?  Hint:  Think purple and it all makes sense.   

I see your point Nites, but...

If Player 1 was so special, don't you think that along with players B & C, who both made All Conference, that Team X would do better than a 7-13 conference record? 

I'm still miffed by the omission of Bryan Rosett. Not only did he make the All Defensive team last year, he also made All Conference. 

Completely disagree. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Judge the players on the merits they put forth on the court.

I mean, UST's top five JV players might be better than St. Mary's 4-8 rotation guys. If I had to bet on that game, I'd take the Tommies eight days a week. But why should that distinction matter in all-conference awards? While Palmer clearly has things to work on — passing and limiting turnovers, mostly — the stuff he is good at he is VERY good at. I feel pretty strongly that he was one of the five best players on the court in every game this season, no matter the opponent.

He finished tied for fourth in scoring and fifth in rebounding. He shot 48%. He was the most dynamic freshman the league has seen in at least a few years. If the biggest knock on him is his teammates aren't talented enough to post a winning record...that's really a shame.

Who would I take off to include him on the list? There are three easy candidates in my mind: McPartland, Fraase and Scott.

Scott can be excluded from this discussion because we all know the coaches aren't willing to swallow their pride to demote last season's joke MVP off the all-conference team. But the other two are very borderline picks, at best.

McPartland posted 11.3 PPG and 5.6 RPG while essentially splitting time (23.9 MPG) with reserves. His grinding style was commendable and fit GAC's offense well, he was never really a difference maker. He disappeared in the postseason games, too (4 PPG). You won't hear Hanson ever admit it, but I'm really not sure this Gustie team deserved even one all-conference player, much less two. They were a classic example of the sum exceeding the parts.

Fraase's situation is a little more similar to Palmer's in that he put up solid numbers (12.4 PPG, 10.4 RPG) on a team that struggled. However, he was benched in at least one game (vs. GAC) because of defensive deficiencies and, as a true post, shot just 45% from the floor. Apparently two extra wins cover for the preseason MVP candidate's step back this season and make him more worthy than Palmer, which is what I was referring to before, DP.

FWIW, I'm not surprised Nicolai won POY. The coaches set that standard a year ago and the next best candidates finished with a thud on average teams. It just wasn't a real strong pool to pick from, unlike a year ago.

Exactly.   Thank you Willy.

[Drake Palmer]

Due to the pending tipoff, I don't have time for this debate, but all other teams with two AC selections made the playoffs. Did Team  X?  That being said I do believe  there were other sketchy AC selections - Fraase, Scott & definitely McPartland.

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Go get em tribes! 

[papahoops]

Tommies up 33-32 over Neal Anderson at half. VERY ugly game thus far. Hopefully Fritz will give them a nice inspirational halftime talk. They should be killing this team.

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Anderson leading UST, 42-37, 16min left

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Anderson leading UST, 60-58, 3:24 left.  Anderson at the line shooting 1-1

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68-61 Anderson, 1:34 left

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UST hits a quick 3, 68-64

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I think there was a steal, anyway UST score, down only 2, 68-66, 1min.

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Anderson and UST trade baskets, Anderson hits 2 FT up 4, 10 sec

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Healy hits a 3 with 4sec left, Anderson leads 72-71 and has the ball