MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

At the half the Gophers lead the Boilermakers, 37 to ELEVEN!!

I wonder when the last time was that a top ten team scored eleven in a half?!

[columbianmaffia]

gophers are scaring me...no offense in the second half

[columbianmaffia]

im very nervous right now...it is the eve of the lottery for tickets to the gophers game out in milwaukee this weekend...i hope i get a set...i have my roller skates oiled up and ready to go

[Drake Palmer]

From the Interesting News Department:  The All Region Teams were announced today.

Gulp   Cord's John Fraase makes 2nd team All West Region & Tyler Nicolai from UST makes 3rd team.  SMU's Chris Palmer was selected Rookie of the Year.

Also, former Gustavus assistant coach Mike Boschee, now head coach of Central College in Iowa was selected the Coach of the Year for the West Region.

Back to the All Region selections, really - John Fraase??  If they were basing this award on stats only alone, I would have gone with Aaron Burtzel, Carl Hipp or Ray Brown.  John's a nice player but, did any of the voters actually see Fraase play? And to place him ahead of Burtzel, Brown & Hipp?  By the way, I have no problems with the other MIAC selections.

Thanks D3 hoops - maybe your selection will spark some conversation on the board for a few days.  

[Gregory Sager]

DP, the obvious solution is for Pat Coleman to take a cue from the MIAC and expand the All-Region teams to, oh, let's say fifty or sixty players.

[Drake Palmer]

DP, the obvious solution is for Pat Coleman to take a cue from the MIAC and expand the All-Region teams to, oh, let's say fifty or sixty players.

Good humor Greg, however...

MIAC league followers & so-called experts (ahem  ) certainly wouldn't have pegged him as the best forward in the league by a long shot.  I'll do a Willy Wonka & let others post the stats.  It's not even close.  

Even if we took Ray Brown out of the mix (as he was more of a combo wing-forward), SJU's Aaron Burtzel & Hamline's Carl Hipp was far more effective than John Fraase. In fact, I wouldn't have been offended at all if no MIAC forwards made the All-Region team.  This was a down year for post play in the MIAC, the Jonkey Kong Express notwithstanding.  

By the way, I've been following your discussions regarding IWU's Doug Sexauer, & I see that he made first Team All Midwest Region.

[Gregory Sager]

By the way, I've been following your discussions regarding IWU's Doug Sexauer, & I see that he made first Team All Midwest Region.

I don't have a problem with that. He earned it, although I still think that he's about on par with Augie's Kyle Nelson. What I had a problem with was Q's assertion that Sexauer was as polished as any center in all of D3. As I said, Sexauer is very good. But he's not technically flawless -- and Q hasn't seen every center in D3.

I'm always leery of "this guy's the best this-or-that" or "this guy's better at X than anyone else in the country" types of arguments, because the limited exposure inherent to D3 on a national basis makes those sorts of assertions very, very problematic.

[Titan Q]

By the way, I've been following your discussions regarding IWU's Doug Sexauer, & I see that he made first Team All Midwest Region.

I don't have a problem with that. He earned it, although I still think that he's about on par with Augie's Kyle Nelson. What I had a problem with was Q's assertion that Sexauer was as polished as any center in all of D3. As I said, Sexauer is very good. But he's not technically flawless -- and Q hasn't seen every center in D3.

I'm always leery of "this guy's the best this-or-that" or "this guy's better at X than anyone else in the country" types of arguments, because the limited exposure inherent to D3 on a national basis makes those sorts of assertions very, very problematic.

1) I wasn't aware "polished" is a synonym for "flawless"...I think it is pretty clear I did not mean to suggest Doug Sexauer is "flawless."

2) What are the odds there is a Division III center that is "flawless" anyway?

3) I have seen Tyler Sanborn (last year in Salem), who is probably regarded as the best center in Division III.  He is not "more polished" than Doug Sexauer...he is just a heck of a lot bigger and stronger.

4) Didn't say Sexauer is "the best" at anything.  I said he "is as polished as any center in Division III."  Unfortunately you chose to go on one of your nitpicking, semantical rants.

[Gregory Sager]

By the way, I've been following your discussions regarding IWU's Doug Sexauer, & I see that he made first Team All Midwest Region.

I don't have a problem with that. He earned it, although I still think that he's about on par with Augie's Kyle Nelson. What I had a problem with was Q's assertion that Sexauer was as polished as any center in all of D3. As I said, Sexauer is very good. But he's not technically flawless -- and Q hasn't seen every center in D3.

I'm always leery of "this guy's the best this-or-that" or "this guy's better at X than anyone else in the country" types of arguments, because the limited exposure inherent to D3 on a national basis makes those sorts of assertions very, very problematic.

1) I wasn't aware "polished" is a synonym for "flawless"...I think it is pretty clear I did not mean to suggest Doug Sexauer is "flawless."

Fine ... if not "flawless," then "less flawed than everybody else" with regard to technique. Just who is the one who is going on a nitpicking, semantical rant here, anyway?

3) I have seen Tyler Sanborn (last year in Salem), who is probably regarded as the best center in Division III.  He is not "more polished" than Doug Sexauer...he is just a heck of a lot bigger and stronger.

That's one guy. There's 411 teams out there in D3 Land besides Illinois Wesleyan and Guilford. How many of those 411 starting centers have you seen?

4) Didn't say Sexauer is "the best" at anything.  I said he "is as polished as any center in Division III."  Unfortunately you chose to go on one of your nitpicking, semantical rants.

You're evading the point, Bob. Being "as polished as any center in D3" is an absolute statement about the entirety of this division, from Colby to Chapman and from George Fox to Greensboro. I don't see it as "nitpicking" and "semantical" at all to call you out on your unsupportable hyperbole.

[Willy Wonka]

Please take your bickering elsewhere, fellas. This board already gets its fair share of annoyance from an outsider named AO 

But let's now take a look at a blurb from the SMU release about Palmer...

Palmer took the MIAC by storm in his first season, ranking fourth in the conference in scoring (299 points, 15.0 ppg) and fifth in rebounding (171 rebounds, 8.6 rpg). The Cardinal freshman, who put together eight double-doubles — including four in SMU's last five games — led the league in free throws made (95), was third in the MIAC in free throw percentage (95-for-110, .864) and offensive rebounds (50, 2.5 orpg), and fifth in defensive rebounds (121, 6.05 drpg).

Now please explain me again how he didn't make the all-conference team. I mean, I'd take Palmer over Fraase for my all-conference selection, my fantasy team AND in a MIAC pick-up game.

[Gregory Sager]

Please take your bickering elsewhere, fellas. This board already gets its fair share of annoyance from an outsider named AO 

Blame DP. It's his fault for bringing it up.

[MiacLostProphet]

I would agree that I wouldn't be upset if no post was recognized, but Fraase raises an eyebrow.


Min/G   FG%  FT%   R/G   PTS/G
24.6   .606   .644    9.4    17.7   Hipp
28.7   .468   .761    7.3    17.2   Brown
29.7   .464   .694   10.4   12.9   Fraase
35.1   .635   .679    9.7    13.6   Burtzel

If its by stats its gotta be Burtzel.  O well. 
Lets go North Eastern!!

[Buddo]

Congrats to Palmer. He really stands out as a great talent for SMU.

Burtzel got cheated! You could also make a case for Ray Brown, Hipp, and Will Wright over Fraase. Nothing against the kid, but he simply isn't on an elite level like 2nd team all-region.

[Pat Coleman]

But ... gee ... he was first-team all-conference, right?

[columbianmaffia]

i think this off season we should have a contest to see who has the hairiest chest...im pretty sure i would lose...but it would sure drum up some heated debates about the way the selection committee decides upon a winner...would they go for overall coverage, thickness of the hair, or length of the hair? or perhaps does someone get extra credit if they comb their hair or shape it into a design with the clippers?