MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[nescac1]

fanofball, you really need to gain some perspective.  The fact that you claim with a straight face that the coach is facing more consequences than the assailant just shows how warped (and obviously biased, given your relationship with one of the key people involved) your perspective is.  The coach has been suspended from coaching basketball for an indeterminate time.  That ... is ... all.  The assailant has been (1) ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH A FELONY OFFENSE, (2) kicked off the team permanently, and (3) booted out of school entirely.  How, then, is the coach facing more severe consequences than the assailant?  STOP KNOCKING DOWN STRAWMEN.  No one is saying that the worst offender isn't the goon who punched this poor girl.  All we are saying is that, yes, there is ADDITIONAL culpability for the team members who were present and did not immediately get her medical attention, and that indefinite (but pending more information, not PERMANENT) suspension from playing the GAME of basketball seems entirely appropriate and in no way too severe given just how awful this situation was.  Stop with the hysterical rants complaining about points that, ummm, no one has actually made.  That is all. 

[fanofball]

Hate to bust your bubble. But I have no relationship with any of the "key" people involved.
Does anyone read entire posts, or just pick and choose what they want to dissect?

Stay on your high moral ground, and ill keep my mind open.

Based on your position, it should not only be the HC suspended, the whole university should pay a price...maybe even the dean should be suspended since he also must not teach responsible behavior, and somehow also allowed this to happen. Maybe even fire the person at the front desk, as surely they must have heard something?
Regarding the HC, AGAIN, his name is tarnished by no act of his own.  He is placed on suspension due to no action of his own. What are you missing there?  He's obviously been successful, and never had issues in many years of coaching, right up until EUGENE committed this crime.
Eugene has a lifetime to change his ways, and put this in his past,....the HC has spent a lifetime working with kids, coaching teams, and believe it or not..........even going on road trips without a single incident......crazy right?

That is all.

[Mr. Ypsi]

fanofball, as I've said before, I am NOT jumping to any judgments until more facts are revealed.  However, you seem to have very selective reading skills. 

FACT: a non-team member (female, no less) was in the team quarters at THREE A.M.!  The HC is responsible for team actions on out-of-town trips (I would certainly assume - that is standard protocol).  As Dave noted, that alone would be grounds for suspending him.

FACT: in these litigious times, no university is going to suspend anyone based on 'lurid reporting'.  There was a thorough police investigation (including interviewing all team members and the victim); only then were suspensions handed down.

FACT: no poster has said (or implied) that the greatest fault was not on the perpetrator.  But the police and university obviously feel that others were also at fault (after the main crime) and deservedly received repercussions (FAR less than the perp, who faces prison time and has been kicked off the team and almost certainly will be dismissed from the university, but repercussions nonetheless).

[Pat Coleman]

You want a fact. Ill give you a fact.
This was not a HS reunion. Tyler was not planning to meet her.
She did not give him a ride, nor did as one news site reported, give her a ride..
They were not HS friends.
Tell me then how the news only reports "facts"??
So your BS statement is now me calling BS to your statement that the news only reports "facts".

Thought you were done?

You clearly are too close to this situation to be any more credible than anyone else. Let's let everything run its course.

[Walter Eagle]

Hate to bust your bubble. But I have no relationship with any of the "key" people involved.
Does anyone read entire posts, or just pick and choose what they want to dissect?

Stay on your high moral ground, and ill keep my mind open.

Based on your position, it should not only be the HC suspended, the whole university should pay a price...maybe even the dean should be suspended since he also must not teach responsible behavior, and somehow also allowed this to happen. Maybe even fire the person at the front desk, as surely they must have heard something?
Regarding the HC, AGAIN, his name is tarnished by no act of his own.  He is placed on suspension due to no action of his own. What are you missing there?  He's obviously been successful, and never had issues in many years of coaching, right up until EUGENE committed this crime.
Eugene has a lifetime to change his ways, and put this in his past,....the HC has spent a lifetime working with kids, coaching teams, and believe it or not..........even going on road trips without a single incident......crazy right?

That is all.

Your email name is davidpannell1@comcast.com.  Are you saying it's a coincidence you share the same last name with Tyler Pannell?

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

MR Pannell (whether you are Tyler's dad, uncle brother or cousin) - I cannot believe someone would even remotely try to point all the blame in this on the thug /former Piper who assaulted the young lady in question.  Yes, he committed that action, no question. Coach Whitmore & his staff lost control of their players and brought horrendous shame onto Hamline's good name, grounds enough to suspend or/and fire them.

To my mind, the rest of the Hamline players are nothing more than a bunch of immoral jasckasses. Just as Joe Paterno committed no criminal acts of sexual misconduct but was guilty of violating a higher code called MORALITY, so too are the Piper players guilty of immoral defect.  Everything I've read states that Tyler and the young lady were good friends from HS, yet you claim they were not. What kind of "friend" sits on his hands when a friend is being beaten? If Tyler Pannell had one shred of decency in him, he would have pummeled Eugene and called 9-1-1. But what did he do? Not a damnthing.

The adults who raised these Piper players (and MR Pannell I do mean to include you in this) should be ashamed of the horrible products they raised! What kind of a parent raises a child who is either too cowardly or simply lacks in morals and sits idly by when a teammate (or anyone) assaults someone, much less a woman?

For you to sit here and try to throw smokescreens and make the players who lacked the moral fortitude to do the right thing in this situation is disgusting and appalling.

What Eugene Lawrence did was despicable. The loss of control on the part of Coach Whitmore and his staff is embarrassing. The conduct of Tyler Pannell and the rest of the team is sickening.

[fanofball]

Miacmaniac.


Thank God life allows each of us our own personal opinion.
You've stated yours very calmly I might add.....

Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone.

I can only guess you are perfect to be able judge, assume, and attack people you don't know.
So keep on casting.  I can only guess that you are as  perfect, and all knowing as you claim to be.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Miacmaniac.


Thank God life allows each of us our own personal opinion.
You've stated yours very calmly I might add.....

Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone.

I can only guess you are perfect to be able judge, assume, and attack people you don't know.
So keep on casting.  I can only guess that you are as  perfect, and all knowing as you claim to be.

Your worst post yet.  Can you sink lower?

You are attacking straw men, while ignoring posts explaining WHY the suspensions occurred.

And why the suspensions were WELL justified.

[fanofball]

Done "debating".
I've said my piece.
If you are unable to read entire posts then it's now just running around in circles.

Assume all you like. It is your right.
Life will go on. Eugene will be convicted, and I am certain most of the players, HC, and staff will get through this, as well as have no issues concerning their morality,  how they were raised, what they believe, or what they know in their hearts to be true.
Regardless of what others may have been led to believe.

My hope is the girl heals quickly and never has this experience again.
I also hope eugene pays the full  price he deserves for his action.

[(509)Rat]

Well it all makes sense now...the guy defending everyone involved (other than 'ole Eugene) is papa Pannell. I'll say one thing, he's lucky that he's apparently much better at installing flooring than he is at debate (see: Ypsi's posts and the lack of a response)...otherwise his family would be hungry and his kid wouldn't be at Hamline...

This whole thing is sad. I mean, it was sad just knowing that a grown man would hit a woman so hard. But now that we know there is an individual defending the team's and coach's actions (or lack thereof). It's even sadder 

PS tell your kid that he should probably clean up his twitter feed and internet reputation. I'd be embarrassed if I searched my name (let alone my kid's) and half of that crap popped up. It's very unbecoming. Unless of course it's all a ploy for the benefit of his music career...?

[Walter Eagle]

Well it all makes sense now...the guy defending everyone involved (other than 'ole Eugene) is papa Pannell. I'll say one thing, he's lucky that he's apparently much better at installing flooring than he is at debate (see: Ypsi's posts and the lack of a response)...otherwise his family would be hungry and his kid wouldn't be at Hamline...

This whole thing is sad. I mean, it was sad just knowing that a grown man would hit a woman so hard. But now that we know there is an individual defending the team's and coach's actions (or lack thereof). It's even sadder 

PS tell your kid that he should probably clean up his twitter feed and internet reputation. I'd be embarrassed if I searched my name (let alone my kid's) and half of that crap popped up. It's very unbecoming. Unless of course it's all a ploy for the benefit of his music career...?

In all my years of watching (and occasionally posting) on these boards, I have yet to see any parent or relative of a player or a player themselves come on these boards and make a bad situation better. 

I'm still not sure exactly who David Pannell is.  I found the same information on him as 509Rat but couldn't find anywhere where the father/son connection was clear.  To his detriment I don't see where he has ID'd himself in any of these posts.  The sad part is if he had just kept quiet we would have probably seen a few more comments on the situation and certainly more sympathetic comments.  He's lucky he did not have this exchange on the MIAC football page; they would have torn him to shreds.

[Cdalakelady]

The sad part is if he had just kept quiet we would have probably seen a few more comments on the situation and certainly more sympathetic

[/quote]

I know that my initial reaction to the suspensions was shock.  I came to this board to see if I could make some sense of it.  I knew there must be more than was reported in the paper for the coach/ asst. athletic director and 14 players to be suspended.  A coach is not suspended from one incident from one player.  Were there other violations on previous trips? Apparently the players were quite afraid of getting caught.  And to put this is perspective, it was the school that issued the suspensions after interviewing the students and deliberation.  So I am not sure why Mr Pannell has taken out his anger on the posters of this board.

The first clue should have come from his inability to accept that any of the technicals called at the game were justified.  It must be Ok for a coach and/or player to say anything as long as the ref doesn't hear and apparently the refs are supposed to wear ear plugs.  And there was lots of yelling by the coach as he left the court.

[(509)Rat]

I'm still not sure exactly who David Pannell is.  I found the same information on him as 509Rat but couldn't find anywhere where the father/son connection was clear.

Tyler and his dad on TheDirty.com
and Dave's Facebook page

Same guy. Pretty easy connection. Can't believe I didn't even think to check fanofball's registered email. I guess I assumed anyone who wanted to remain anonymous would understand how the internet works...

[Walter Eagle]

I'm still not sure exactly who David Pannell is.  I found the same information on him as 509Rat but couldn't find anywhere where the father/son connection was clear.

Tyler and his dad on TheDirty.com
and Dave's Facebook page

Same guy. Pretty easy connection. Can't believe I didn't even think to check fanofball's registered email. I guess I assumed anyone who wanted to remain anonymous would understand how the internet works...

Ah...I found the The Dirty business, but didn't find the Facebook page.  Thanks.  That pretty much establishes the connection.  Unless there's a David Jr. out there someplace.

[fanofball]

I don't feel the need to reply to every post (yspi,s) as my position has been clear.  If you choose to ignore entire posts that is for you to figure out, not for me to cite the same things over and over.

If you cannot comprehend, I will summarize.

I know some of mr brays statements were inaccurate, and painted a picture that led to many assumptions.
I don't believe the HC deserved his suspension, regardless of your position, or thoughts on that matter, I am entitled to my opinion as well.
None of the posters know the whole story, what happened, who did what, who didn't do anything, who was involved, and to what degree their part may or may not have been.

*****i also have agreed player suspensions were justified**** but the assumptions being made regarding who did/didn't do anything and personal attacks regarding their morals, or how they were raised is simply ridiculous.

I haven't "defended" anyone.  If it has not been made clear, or has been overlooked, I have simply stated that no one here can possibly know how the events played out, or for that matter who was actually a witness to the assault, calling players jackasses, immoral, or insinuating they have been raised poorly is a real stretch.
I'll say again......no one here can possibly know how the events played out, only that eugene punched a girl, and no one called police.

To continue to bring up one persons name is in itself ridiculous.  You don't know what part Tyler played, if any, except for his name being mentioned in mr brays statement(which btw, AGAIN, was not accurate.
Many suspensions of players were due to knowledge of incident, being involved in incident, or simply being awoke by the incident, and not immediately making a phone call.

I haven't "attacked" anyone, I have simply responded to what people are assuming.

I agree that any player who witnessed the event should have kicked Eugene's ass, and immediately called the police, or woke up their HC, or for that matter gotten the girl to the hospital immediately.
I still say there must have been a mass confusion, and shock at the time of incident. (Not an excuse, it's human nature)


Lets be very clear here......I have also stated I agree that someone should have called 911, or at the very minimum an ambulance.  The thing that continues to be overlooked is that there are assumptions being made as tho the entire team was witness to this criminal act, or that somehow Tyler was this girls "friend" and should have done something.

To continue to bring up his name, along with trying to figure out who I am, just proves you're more interested in drama, than addressing the real JACKASS that committed the crime.

Continue to overlook that I have agreed with many positions posters have taken, but if its impossible to think of this as other than black and white, then that's your right, as well as its my right to convey that until anyone knows the whole truth, attempting to drag an entire program, or specific people down is simply judgemental, and self righteous.


Now, pick your sentence, dissect it, and reply to just that sentence, as it is humorously apparent an entire paragraph is too much to take in.