MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[columbianmaffia]

funballer
that is a secret within the maffia that cannot be shared over a message board.....maybe i will tell u next time i come through wendys drive threw for a tripple burger with extra greece

[BETHEL34]

I totally agree with you Willy about your JV remarks.  It really is to bad they made that decision for the MIAC.  It is going to separate the jv from the varsity quite a bit now in many ways.  For the last 3 yrs at Bethel, Varsity already practices in different gyms and at different times than the JV does.  There are just to many of them to all practice in one gym.  Also, being able to watch jv as a varsity player before you own game, it helped you get mental ready.  Not, saying the girls won't help you do that, but it just ins't them same as watching the same offense and def of systems being run out there on the floor.  Also, being able to watch you buddies you have become close with through out the yr.  And the biggest reason it is going to draw them appart is all of the many bus rides.  Bus rides were always some of the more enjoyable times throughout the season, and now sharing it with a girls team instead of your jv team, in my opinion would suck.  Traveling with them one time a yr to CC was always enough for me.  It is just a different atmosphere.

Why is this important?  Well, not one player on Bethels varsity Team in the last 3 yrs counting this year, didn't play a couple games or the whole season on JV their Freshman year.  There were many who practiced Var, but played JV.  It is great way to let young players understand and learn the system, and to just get used to the College game compared to the Highschool game.  I believe my Brother was the last one to never play a game on JV, and play Var starting his freshmen yr.  Bethel just doesn't use to many Freshmen, Cory lougen might break that streak this yr.  
Well, that's my two cents worth.  I just know how much it would really hurt Bethel's program if they lose JV.

Thanks for the History about the tourni!

[columbianmaffia]

this just in KG is the man

on Oprah today he told her that for her hurricane katrina fund he will buy 1 new house 1 time a month for the next 2 years for families down there

what a pimp

[funbballer]

c...maffia: you do that and I'll make sure you get the BIGGIE  value as I know how much you like 'em big!!!

[SofaKing]

Does anyone else agree with this?

I personally dont think that colleges should have JV programs. Either you are good enough to play college basketball or your not. I have seen many guys who were not even a standout on their HS teams and think that they can go to college and play. And they do, they play JV. It is almost a level lower than HS varsity. I think it should be more of a privalidge to be on a college team. In football anyone who can walk can be a part of a college football team and stand on the sidelines during the game and say they play for so and so college. I understand the developement reasons and enrollment production but why else?

[Drake Palmer]

Does anyone else agree with this?

I personally dont think that colleges should have JV programs.  Either you are good enough to play college basketball or your not... I understand the developement reasons and enrollment production but why else?

JD - you must have really thick skin, or you're just trying to get a little something stirred up on the board.  You gotta know you're probably gonna get hammered on this one.  Just take a look around the MIAC- the traditionally strong teams have all had JV teams - GAC, UST,  Bethel & even your alma mater, Cord.   

Good night & good luck.

[SofaKing]

I actually have always thought this. I know the MIAC is well known for this but how many players like saying that they are on JV. I mean, what other schools in the country do this. They are never playing to win a championship of any sort, never get recognition in the media, and so on. It is great for the reasons I mentioned earlier but how much of a dissapointment is it when there are literally 12 fans in the stands compared to the thousands in HS. It is like taking a step down. If it were something that had more importance than I think it is a great idea. Why not have a MIAC JV championship and have all the schools have a JV program. Why not put more importance on it rather than just a chance to play some games just to play some games. Thats all I am saying. I played JV when I was a freshman and I did not like it at all because of those reasons. I felt like I was taking a step down from HS.

[Gregory Sager]

I actually have always thought this. I know the MIAC is well known for this but how many players like saying that they are on JV. I mean, what other schools in the country do this.

A lot more than you'd think. You'd be surprised how many CCIW Most Outstanding Players saw time on their JV teams as freshmen, for example. I can think of five of them right off of the top of my head, and I'm pretty sure that there were others as well. One of them was Michael Harper, a three-time CCIW MOP winner who played two years for the Portland Trailblazers after graduating from North Park. Harper didn't see the floor at all during his freshman season -- every game in which he played was a JV game.

Lots of good programs use their JV team as a feeder system with which to physically and mentally develop players for whom they just don't have the minutes yet at the varsity level. And a lot of bad programs have JV teams, too.

I'd argue that if you got rid of all JV teams the level of play at the D3 varsity level would drop considerably. I say that for three reasons: 1) it would mean fewer guys in uniform, thus reduced in-house competition to make the best players better; 2) it's a necessary stage of development for guys who could (and do) turn out to be outstanding players as juniors and seniors who would nevertheless be totally in over their heads if they were thrown into varsity games as freshmen -- this is especially true of big men, who tend to take longer to develop; and 3) it balances out a roster in terms of positions. Let's say that you have an outstanding power forward and a very good backup at that position, both of whom are seniors. You bring in a recruit who is really suited for that position; he doesn't have the size to play center, nor the ballhandling ability, mobility, and/or shooting range to play small forward, but he's a perfect candidate to play the four. Yet you can't give him any time at that position this year, because there's already two guys ahead of him on the depth chart. Rather than play him out of position, or give him endless varsity bench time with a meaningless garbage minute or two every third or fourth game, you can give him 30-35 minutes of work per night at the position that you really want him to learn.

D3 is the basketball level of the diamond in the rough, the slow-to-develop star, and the awkward body into which an eighteen-year-old needs to grow. And, not to sound like a total D3 homer, it's the level where coaching is still as much a matter of teaching and of long-term evaluation as it is wooing some Nike All-Star blue-chip who won't even stick around for three years before he goes pro. Perhaps above all else, D3 is the level of college basketball where student participation in athletics is something other than a meaningless slogan in which only the naive can believe.

For these and other reasons, JV ball is a huge component of the D3 game.

[columbianmaffia]

gregory sager has lots of stars under his name

[SofaKing]

I agree with what you say. Cant we insert redshirting instead?

[Willy Wonka]

jdowney - Seeing as how the WIAC, one of the last D3 bastions for redshirting, recently was forced to give that up, I doubt it.

Sager - Thanks for that long clarification for the unwise. How's Carthage supposed to be this season? GAC comes that way over the holiday break and I am pondering making the trek over.

[pacific rim]

Bethel34...why do you think it would be such an ordeal to regularly travel with the women's team?  why was it so frustrating to travel with them on the way to concordia?  wouldn't it be fun to spend time with girls from your college?

[Willy Wonka]

I'm with 34 here. Traveling with girls - especially on the trip up north - is borderline terrible. To name a few reasons off the top of my head...the seniors try to take their own double seats, they want to watch movies like The Princess Diaries rather than the pure creative genius of Bloodsport or Young Guns 2 and, well, they can get a little annoying. Yes, even my sister

To quote Barkley, athletes are creatures of habit. For the Cobber trip anyway, the girls have thrown those habits/traditions out of whack. With this now becoming the status quo, they will have to find ways to make it work. Sorry to make a big deal out of it - I actually LIKE watching them play - but I felt the need to clarify.

[miacwatchmen]

I agree. I think that men and women should ride seperate buses at least. It would make it alot easier for scheduling but men should have their own bus. I dont know what womens buses are like on rides to games but i know that on my bus it is quiet and everyone is focusing. I am not saying that it isnt like that on girls bussesbut i would feel alot better without the chance of women distracting me on the bus. That is just my two cents.

[crazy_carl]

The bus-rides up north weren't too bad IMO.  While we were never necessarily close with the women's team, headphones and . . . get ready for it . . .homework did the trick. 

There would be some debate on "creative genius" as WW phrased it if/when movies were on.  Why Shrek was and Office Space was not, I will never understand.