MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[d3bballfollower]

big win for the Scots over a solid Embry-Riddle team...could be the start of a very surprising year for MAC

[Willy Wonka]

Wonka wakes up from a nap to find a few other MIAC scores finished. Here's a brief look before I start some work on a Saturday night...

SJU with a solid performance it looks like. Why isn't Fogt starting for one of the Schaefers? Double-doubs in 20 minutes is nothing to scoff at.

STO loses to SMSU, but Big Bad Bain doesn't play. Is he hurt? Please don't tell me Nerd Bain is academically ineligible. That might be more than I can handle.

Chad Norberg, 3-9 FG and 0-4 on 3s with 3 TOs. In 26 minutes. At what point do you pull the plug on someone who clearly doesn't have it? At the same time, it looks like Koz has a more decisive lineup early this season so it's hard to criticize sticking Norberg too much.

[sumander]

Nice win for the Johnnies last night. Like one would expect from an early game there were good things and bad things. Start with the good Ryan Lieser 25 pts and 5 assists. I thought he shot the ball well. Overall I was impressed with the J's shot selection. Often times they passed up a shot for a better shot. Was nice to see.

Jason Foght had an outstanding game:
## Player Name     FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
50 Jason Fogt..........    7-8    0-0    3-5    4  7 11   4  17  2  2  3  0  20

Like Willy said a double double in 20 minutes. He was a force on the inside.

I thought Brady Brink turned in a solid effort as well. 11pts, 2 reb, 2 asst, 2blks and 5 steals. He very quietly goes about his business.

Morris was undersized. I expected big things from the Schafer twins and didn't see it. While the stats don't fully reflect it my impression was Westman struggled shooting the ball. He even missed 3 FT's which is unheard of. 19 TO's is also a concern.

J's had it in cruise control after about the 15 minute mark of the first half. Morris threw a full court zone press at them with about 5 minutes left in the game. J's struggled with it. This combined with Morris seemingly not missing from the field caused a few "uncomfortable" moments late in the game.

Morris is not a bad ball club. Poor shooting in the first half doomed them. The Johnnies had a 21 pt lead at half time. Morris basically played them even in the second half.  Good way for the Johnnies to start the season.

[South Dakota Gusties]

I am borrowing this idea from the MN Twins message board at scout.com (which originated on, I believe, the Montreal Expos message board back when they were around).  It is called YNOT, and it is another game that we can play along with the Pick 'em.  I will keep track of the standings (like the pick 'em).  It is pretty simple, but it will require full participation throughout the season.  If you don't think you can commit, please don't sign up.

Here are the basic rules (I will repost them in the Pick'em board when we get that reopened)....
We will have 11 teams/owners in this league.  Each owner will answer 10 questions in regards to that nights MIAC league games.  5 of the questions will be to pick the winner of the nights games.  The other 5 questions will be to pick the higher scorer for the night in each game between the highest average scorer for each team (this sounds confusing, but it's actually pretty simple...for example, using last years stats, if GAC played UST last year, you would have to choose who would score more...Adam TeBrake, Isaac Rosefelt, or tie).  I will post each nights matchup, so there won't be any confusion.  Scoring will be simple, if you choose the winner of a game, you get two points.  If you choose the higher scorer, you get three points.  If you are forced to pick ahead of schedule (due to vacation or out of town), you can pick the top scorer for the night by choosing the team he plays on (if it hasn't been determined who will be going against each other in head to head scoring).  For the tiebreaker, you will also be asked to predict the average attendance for the night.

We will be using head-to-head matchups.  If you score more than the team you are playing, you win for the night.  Like in the MIAC, each team will play every other team 2 times with 2 byes throughout the season.  At the end of the season, like the MIAC, the top 6 teams make the playoffs with the top 2 getting byes.  Ties in the standings are broken first by average points scored (not including byes), then by head-to-head record, then by a coin flip.  In the first two rounds, the questions will be - pick the winner of each game (2 pts each), and then who will be the high scorer at each starting position (3 pts each) for a total of 12 questions with the tiebreaker being to predict the average attendance.  For the finals, the questions will be pick the winner of the game (4 pts), determine the high scorer at each starting position (3 pts), choose the over/under for the game (2 pts), pick the high scorer for the game (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outscores your oppenents player, but isn't the high scorer), the high rebounder (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outrebounds your oppenents player, but isn't the high rebounder), and the high assist man (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outassists your oppenents player, but isn't the high assist).  The tiebreaker will be to determine the attendence for the night.

If you are interested in playing, please post here.  Like I said before, this is a whole season commitment.  If you can't make a night, you can pick ahead.  I will post the schedule when I have 10 more players (I'm taking one of the spots ).  Our picks will be made on the pick 'em board, so not to clutter up this board.  This will not be replacing the pick 'em.  It is just another game to play to pass the time, and to hopefully increase our knowledge of MIAC hoops.  I should add that we are just playing for FUN, so don't get too mad if I screw something up.

Just a reminder, we still have 1 opening for the YNOT.  Please post here if you are interested.  Here is who I have so far...
abominable_snowman
BETHEL34
columbianmaffia
d3bballfollower
Drake Palmer
miacwatchmen
piperinsider
South Dakota Gusties
TommieHoops4Life
Willy Wonka

1 spot remaining in the YNOT contest.  Once we get the last person, I'll move all YNOT and Pick'Em info to the Pick 'Em page.

[columbianmaffia]

puffy-coated Foster

that made me chuckle

good to hear the tommies played well....sounds like ike is gonna bring the hot sauce this year

i like stuff cuz stuff is cool

and last but not least i would just like to let all of you know that i just ate the best donut that i have ever had in my entire life...if you are ever in west st. paul stop by Grannys Donuts off south roberts st...oh yeah one more thing...iowa sucks...gophers are cool

[miacwatchmen]

As for the SJU game:

Fogt played amazing, he should be starting by the 29th when CON comes to town.

Brady Brink had a stretch where he was amazing too, I think he had 3 steals out of four Morris trips down the court, he is tough to guard and probably the best defender other than Leiser on the Johnnies squad.

Leiser shot the ball very well, 25 points on 8 of 14 shooting. He hit some pretty tough shots off screens and in traffic too.

As for Westman, he did have 16 points which is right around what he averaged last year. He was 3 of 8 from behind the arc. Near the end of the game he was actually passing up wide open shots.

Schafer twins (The twin towers): I would have to say they were less than spectacular. I was expecting them to both drop in 12 to 15 points and grab around 8 boards. So Scott going 8 and 0  along with Craig 6 and 7 wasn't a good night.

Overall the johnnies need to work on dealing with the full court pressure. They could have easily beat Morris by 40 if they hadn't played most of the second half running around scared and turning the ball over. I think this Johnnies team will be hard to beat down the road if they get all of their ponies together.

[Obball]

I am new to the d3hoops but I am an avid bball fan who knows how the game is supposed to be played.  The first thing I have to say is that anyone who thinks that Fogt should be starting for the Johnnies is dead wrong.  He had a good performance against a terrible team with no big men.  As for why the Schafers didnt have big games, neither one of them got any touches.  Craig only took two shots and Scott was sitting with fouls that were ticky-tack calls.  It is a joke to think that Fogt should start over either one of them.  Against teams in the MIAC who actually have post players Fogt will be exposed as the slow, stonehanded, uncoordinated player that he is.  He is capable of giving quality mintues by giving fouls and maybe blocking a few shots, but he is only a role player on this team.  Also there is no way that Leiser is the best defender on the team.  He is a lazy defender whose teammates constantly have to cover for him.  He does have a nice quick release on his shot and he shot the ball well last night. 

[miacwatchmen]

I am new to the d3hoops but I am an avid bball fan who knows how the game is supposed to be played.  The first thing I have to say is that anyone who thinks that Fogt should be starting for the Johnnies is dead wrong.  He had a good performance against a terrible team with no big men.  As for why the Schafers didnt have big games, neither one of them got any touches.  Craig only took two shots and Scott was sitting with fouls that were ticky-tack calls.  It is a joke to think that Fogt should start over either one of them.  Against teams in the MIAC who actually have post players Fogt will be exposed as the slow, stonehanded, uncoordinated player that he is.  He is capable of giving quality mintues by giving fouls and maybe blocking a few shots, but he is only a role player on this team.  Also there is no way that Leiser is the best defender on the team.  He is a lazy defender whose teammates constantly have to cover for him.  He does have a nice quick release on his shot and he shot the ball well last night. 

So you think that the Schafer twins should start for the Johnnies  versus Concordia on the 29th based on last nights performance. Craig will get the start but Scott should be on the bench coming off as the first post sub. Fogt played very well last night and I expect him to continue like this the whole year. He won't score 17 a game but he'll give you 8 points and around 10 boards if you give him minutes. He outscored and outrebounded the Schafers COMBINE last night.

Leiser IS the best defender on this team too, he's fast small and has great agility. If you don't think he's the best defender then who is? Brink....maybe but he can't guard a quick point guard. Leiser can play against anyone on the court in the 1,2, or 3 spots.

[bleednavyblue_GoBU]

I am borrowing this idea from the MN Twins message board at scout.com (which originated on, I believe, the Montreal Expos message board back when they were around).  It is called YNOT, and it is another game that we can play along with the Pick 'em.  I will keep track of the standings (like the pick 'em).  It is pretty simple, but it will require full participation throughout the season.  If you don't think you can commit, please don't sign up.

Here are the basic rules (I will repost them in the Pick'em board when we get that reopened)....
We will have 11 teams/owners in this league.  Each owner will answer 10 questions in regards to that nights MIAC league games.  5 of the questions will be to pick the winner of the nights games.  The other 5 questions will be to pick the higher scorer for the night in each game between the highest average scorer for each team (this sounds confusing, but it's actually pretty simple...for example, using last years stats, if GAC played UST last year, you would have to choose who would score more...Adam TeBrake, Isaac Rosefelt, or tie).  I will post each nights matchup, so there won't be any confusion.  Scoring will be simple, if you choose the winner of a game, you get two points.  If you choose the higher scorer, you get three points.  If you are forced to pick ahead of schedule (due to vacation or out of town), you can pick the top scorer for the night by choosing the team he plays on (if it hasn't been determined who will be going against each other in head to head scoring).  For the tiebreaker, you will also be asked to predict the average attendance for the night.

We will be using head-to-head matchups.  If you score more than the team you are playing, you win for the night.  Like in the MIAC, each team will play every other team 2 times with 2 byes throughout the season.  At the end of the season, like the MIAC, the top 6 teams make the playoffs with the top 2 getting byes.  Ties in the standings are broken first by average points scored (not including byes), then by head-to-head record, then by a coin flip.  In the first two rounds, the questions will be - pick the winner of each game (2 pts each), and then who will be the high scorer at each starting position (3 pts each) for a total of 12 questions with the tiebreaker being to predict the average attendance.  For the finals, the questions will be pick the winner of the game (4 pts), determine the high scorer at each starting position (3 pts), choose the over/under for the game (2 pts), pick the high scorer for the game (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outscores your oppenents player, but isn't the high scorer), the high rebounder (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outrebounds your oppenents player, but isn't the high rebounder), and the high assist man (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outassists your oppenents player, but isn't the high assist).  The tiebreaker will be to determine the attendence for the night.

If you are interested in playing, please post here.  Like I said before, this is a whole season commitment.  If you can't make a night, you can pick ahead.  I will post the schedule when I have 10 more players (I'm taking one of the spots ).  Our picks will be made on the pick 'em board, so not to clutter up this board.  This will not be replacing the pick 'em.  It is just another game to play to pass the time, and to hopefully increase our knowledge of MIAC hoops.  I should add that we are just playing for FUN, so don't get too mad if I screw something up.

Just a reminder, we still have 1 opening for the YNOT.  Please post here if you are interested.  Here is who I have so far...
abominable_snowman
BETHEL34
columbianmaffia
d3bballfollower
Drake Palmer
miacwatchmen
piperinsider
South Dakota Gusties
TommieHoops4Life
Willy Wonka

1 spot remaining in the YNOT contest.  Once we get the last person, I'll move all YNOT and Pick'Em info to the Pick 'Em page.

I will be the last guy in the YNOT contest...Never a poster on the board, but a big d3 basketball fan...with some insight on the league. 

[bleednavyblue_GoBU]

I was at the Bethel/River Falls Game last night...here are my thoughts.

Bethel played much better defense than the previous night against Dakota State.  River Falls could never get into a rhythm.  Bethel will go as far as their defense takes them this year.  They will score enough points...just need to stop the other team from scoring more.  I guess that has been Bethel's deal for the past few seasons...but I feel this team could actually do it...we will have to see.  Storm...nice dunk, played with great energy after that.  Meadowcroft...great inside outside game...will be grat this year if he hits the boards hard.  Laugen...great floor general/great energy.  Moberg...nice hands inside/softest touch inside bethel has seen since Eric Robertson.  Cook...impressive inside, but RF didn't have anybody to stop him.  Madson...might lead the team in scoring this year over Charles/great 3 point range and a fade away 2 point shot similar to the one Tim Gilbert had that is very tough to stop!  Vavra...nice energy off the bench and ability to hit the outside shot. 

Good start for the Royals...but doesn't mean a thing once it comes to conference time and the Gusties step on the floor Dec 3rd. 

River Falls....wil go through some growing pains with new head coach and young squad.  Freshmen Robertson will be a nice player through the years.  They needed another scorer besides #4 (not sure the name) because bethel could key on him and they didn't have anyone else.  They will really miss Hoeg this year. 

[piperinsider]

Weekend scores:

11/18/2006 (Saturday)
Gustavus 76 @ Luther 68 (NC)
Macalester 87 @ Embry-Riddle 85 (NC)
UM-Morris 77 @ Saint John's 100 (NC)
St. Thomas 60 @ La Verne 46 (NC)
Bethel 107 vs. UW-River Falls 77
Hamline 71 @ Colorado-Pueblo 86 (NC)

11/17/2006 (Friday)
Hamline 91 vs. Colorado College 84 (NC)
St. Olaf 55 @ Southwest Minnesota St. 67 (NC)
St. Thomas 72 @ Occidental 63 (NC)
Bethel 113 vs. Dakota State 83 (NC)

A little from the Hamline web site recap:

I think every team is playing more non-conference games this week. Hamline is at Northwestern next Saturday afternoon, and I think I might hit it up and check out the squad.

DeRock finished the night with 28 points on 10-of-17 shooting. Thrasher added 22 points on 10-of-19 from the floor.

The Pipers (1-1) played toe-to-toe with the Div. II Thunderwolves (2-0) for most of the game. After trailing by eight at the break, Hamline pulled to within three on two separate ocassions in the second half - the last coming at 8:25 when a DeRock layup made the score 68-65.

From there, Colorado-Pueblo scored the next seven points of the game over the next 5:08 to put the game out of reach.

[South Dakota Gusties]

I am borrowing this idea from the MN Twins message board at scout.com (which originated on, I believe, the Montreal Expos message board back when they were around).  It is called YNOT, and it is another game that we can play along with the Pick 'em.  I will keep track of the standings (like the pick 'em).  It is pretty simple, but it will require full participation throughout the season.  If you don't think you can commit, please don't sign up.

Here are the basic rules (I will repost them in the Pick'em board when we get that reopened)....
We will have 11 teams/owners in this league.  Each owner will answer 10 questions in regards to that nights MIAC league games.  5 of the questions will be to pick the winner of the nights games.  The other 5 questions will be to pick the higher scorer for the night in each game between the highest average scorer for each team (this sounds confusing, but it's actually pretty simple...for example, using last years stats, if GAC played UST last year, you would have to choose who would score more...Adam TeBrake, Isaac Rosefelt, or tie).  I will post each nights matchup, so there won't be any confusion.  Scoring will be simple, if you choose the winner of a game, you get two points.  If you choose the higher scorer, you get three points.  If you are forced to pick ahead of schedule (due to vacation or out of town), you can pick the top scorer for the night by choosing the team he plays on (if it hasn't been determined who will be going against each other in head to head scoring).  For the tiebreaker, you will also be asked to predict the average attendance for the night.

We will be using head-to-head matchups.  If you score more than the team you are playing, you win for the night.  Like in the MIAC, each team will play every other team 2 times with 2 byes throughout the season.  At the end of the season, like the MIAC, the top 6 teams make the playoffs with the top 2 getting byes.  Ties in the standings are broken first by average points scored (not including byes), then by head-to-head record, then by a coin flip.  In the first two rounds, the questions will be - pick the winner of each game (2 pts each), and then who will be the high scorer at each starting position (3 pts each) for a total of 12 questions with the tiebreaker being to predict the average attendance.  For the finals, the questions will be pick the winner of the game (4 pts), determine the high scorer at each starting position (3 pts), choose the over/under for the game (2 pts), pick the high scorer for the game (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outscores your oppenents player, but isn't the high scorer), the high rebounder (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outrebounds your oppenents player, but isn't the high rebounder), and the high assist man (4 pts - 2 pts if your player outassists your oppenents player, but isn't the high assist).  The tiebreaker will be to determine the attendence for the night.

If you are interested in playing, please post here.  Like I said before, this is a whole season commitment.  If you can't make a night, you can pick ahead.  I will post the schedule when I have 10 more players (I'm taking one of the spots ).  Our picks will be made on the pick 'em board, so not to clutter up this board.  This will not be replacing the pick 'em.  It is just another game to play to pass the time, and to hopefully increase our knowledge of MIAC hoops.  I should add that we are just playing for FUN, so don't get too mad if I screw something up.

Just a reminder, we still have 1 opening for the YNOT.  Please post here if you are interested.  Here is who I have so far...
abominable_snowman
BETHEL34
columbianmaffia
d3bballfollower
Drake Palmer
miacwatchmen
piperinsider
South Dakota Gusties
TommieHoops4Life
Willy Wonka

1 spot remaining in the YNOT contest.  Once we get the last person, I'll move all YNOT and Pick'Em info to the Pick 'Em page.

I will be the last guy in the YNOT contest...Never a poster on the board, but a big d3 basketball fan...with some insight on the league. 

You're in bleednavyblue_GoBU.  This is my last post regarding the YNOT on this board.  Picks and schedules will be listed on the pick 'em board.  I encourage all YNOT and Pick 'Em talk to go to the pick 'em board, so we don't take away from actual basketball talk.  Thanks everyone for signing up.  Remember, if you just want to play the pick 'em, that is open to everyone (not just the 11 in the YNOT).

[Obball]

I am new to the d3hoops but I am an avid bball fan who knows how the game is supposed to be played.  The first thing I have to say is that anyone who thinks that Fogt should be starting for the Johnnies is dead wrong.  He had a good performance against a terrible team with no big men.  As for why the Schafers didnt have big games, neither one of them got any touches.  Craig only took two shots and Scott was sitting with fouls that were ticky-tack calls.  It is a joke to think that Fogt should start over either one of them.  Against teams in the MIAC who actually have post players Fogt will be exposed as the slow, stonehanded, uncoordinated player that he is.  He is capable of giving quality mintues by giving fouls and maybe blocking a few shots, but he is only a role player on this team.  Also there is no way that Leiser is the best defender on the team.  He is a lazy defender whose teammates constantly have to cover for him.  He does have a nice quick release on his shot and he shot the ball well last night. 

So you think that the Schafer twins should start for the Johnnies  versus Concordia on the 29th based on last nights performance. Craig will get the start but Scott should be on the bench coming off as the first post sub. Fogt played very well last night and I expect him to continue like this the whole year. He won't score 17 a game but he'll give you 8 points and around 10 boards if you give him minutes. He outscored and outrebounded the Schafers COMBINE last night.

Leiser IS the best defender on this team too, he's fast small and has great agility. If you don't think he's the best defender then who is? Brink....maybe but he can't guard a quick point guard. Leiser can play against anyone on the court in the 1,2, or 3 spots.

You seriously think that Leiser can guard anyone at the 1, 2, or 3.  There is no way he could hang with Meadowcroft  or Derock.  You proved yourself wrong when you said he was SMALL.  He is quick and agile but, he cannot guard players bigger than him.  Brink is a much better defender than him because of his length and athleticism.  Also if you want a defender who is fast, small and agile Nick Johnson is a better defender than Leiser also.  Leiser is a scorer and a transition player.  He helps push the tempo. 

[sjuforlife]

well, im back for another MIAC YEAR!  I do believe last year i was the overall winner in PICK-EM so im excited to try and retain my crown!  I guess it is also about time I hope back on the SJU BAND WAGON.

As for my quick MIAC run through, I do believe the tommies should be ranked number one to start off the year.  With IKE and Schnettler coming back ( i still dont think keating is as good as most of you say) they deserve the number one spot TO START!!!!  As far as # 2 and #3 go Carleton and SJU are a trade off.  I think SJU does have the upper hand but carleton is close.  Probably heads up, each will win at home. As for picks 4 through 6, this will be debatable until probably the last game of the year.  I think hamline, Bethel, and and saint mary's are my favorites in that order but the gusties may surprise some people and push SMU out and take one of the other spots.  Scariest team in the Miac will be hamline though.  I think they have the ability to finish anywhere from first to 6th in the conference.  There uptempo offense/gamble on defense is unique and they have the players to do it.  They basically return everyone who mounted a 19? point comeback in the playoffs last yeat to beat sju and they are cocky, aggressive, and physical and well lets be honest, the miac doesnt have any teams like that.  They get in teams heads and it works for them. so watch out for the pipers!!  sorry my first post back is so long!!!

[abominable_snowman]

Interesting results for UST at Laverne....from the game summary-

"Senior All-American Issac Rosefelt had four fouls and played just 24 minutes"
"All 15 Tommie players saw action and 11 got in the scoring column."
"freshman David Baker scored seven points off the bench"
-good results for UST, a quality win without relying on Ike.  Has got to give them confidence coming into the MIAC, plus it's good to see UST have solid non-conference results.

"Andrew Dwyer had four assists in just nine minutes"
-with options like Ike, Schnettler and Keating, I'd love to see him average 5+ a game.