MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[shocker]

awhile back i asked the question who is the most underrated player in the miac...i got a few answers, but none were robinson...i would say he is got to be a top 2 or 3 most underrated player in the league along with brady brink of SJU...anyone else's thoughts?

i think robinson would be would get the lable of up and coming player rather than underrated player because he was not getting significant minutes last season.

1. Keating--best ever. Any rating is under-rating.
2. DeRock--just because everyone talks about him and how Hamline will finally be good all the time, doesn't mean he's overrated. In fact, I'd say he's become so rated, he's back to under-rated. He's like living in a post-cool world.
3. SMU--Give 'em their day. Let's call them all under-rated. Like Hamline, Augsburg, and St. Olaf, if we don't give them their delusions of "this is the year/we have a new coach/we got a sweet transfer/the young guys have experience/they bonded over the summer/the jv program finally developed/they found a way to circumvent steriod testing" then they won't have any glory at all. So just give it to them. SMU is under-rated. They'll contend. Really. For real this time.


Over-rated:

1. Hanson--He's barely won 70% of his career games, and he hasn't even been able to do it for 2 decades yet. Let's all hold off on the accolades a while longer. I'd take Wohler and his program-transformation abilities any day.
2. Jake Phillips--A Carleton PG? Come on. No range, no handles, no vision. Kid barely cracked the rotation on a team that lost its first 3 conference games last year.
3. Kel_Varnsen--Where'd he go anyway? Half the posters here probably don't even know him anymore. I'd compare him to Dwight Gooden: some transendent years at a precocious age, followed by a horrific cocaine-fueled meltdown. I'm still waiting for the comeback, a la Gooden on the Indians in 1998.

[columbianmaffia]

awhile back i asked the question who is the most underrated player in the miac...i got a few answers, but none were robinson...i would say he is got to be a top 2 or 3 most underrated player in the league along with brady brink of SJU...anyone else's thoughts?

i think robinson would be would get the lable of up and coming player rather than underrated player because he was not getting significant minutes last season.

1. Keating--best ever. Any rating is under-rating.
2. DeRock--just because everyone talks about him and how Hamline will finally be good all the time, doesn't mean he's overrated. In fact, I'd say he's become so rated, he's back to under-rated. He's like living in a post-cool world.
3. SMU--Give 'em their day. Let's call them all under-rated. Like Hamline, Augsburg, and St. Olaf, if we don't give them their delusions of "this is the year/we have a new coach/we got a sweet transfer/the young guys have experience/they bonded over the summer/the jv program finally developed/they found a way to circumvent steriod testing" then they won't have any glory at all. So just give it to them. SMU is under-rated. They'll contend. Really. For real this time.


Over-rated:

1. Hanson--He's barely won 70% of his career games, and he hasn't even been able to do it for 2 decades yet. Let's all hold off on the accoldates a while longer. I'd take Wohler and his program-transformation abilities any day.
2. Jake Phillips--A Carleton PG? Come on. No range, no handles, no vision. Kid barely cracked the rotation on a team that lost its first 3 conference games last year.
3. Kel_Varnsen--Where'd he go anyway? Half the posters here probably don't even know him anymore. I'd compare him to Dwight Gooden: some transendent years at a precocious age, followed by a horrific cocaine-fueled meltdown. I'm still waiting for the comeback, a la Gooden on the Indians in 1988.

haha  i like your style +k

[sjuforlife]

Shocker you bring up a great point.  Why dont more people talk about Jake phillips?  the jake phillips i know led the miac in assists per game last year, led the league in 3point percentage and was 2nd in the league in 3 pointers made   3rd in the leage in assist to turnover ratio??   also led the league in minutes per game! leading the league in minutes, while being a pg and having one of the best turnover/assist ratios is remarkable i think at least!

[UST_LBOW]

Lonnie and Dan Grant locked up DeRock last night.  Dan Grant has played well the last 2 games backing up Lonnie and the combination of those two guarding the other 3 man is enough to give opposing players nightmares.

[kel_varnsen]

3. Kel_Varnsen--Where'd he go anyway? Half the posters here probably don't even know him anymore. I'd compare him to Dwight Gooden: some transendent years at a precocious age, followed by a horrific cocaine-fueled meltdown. I'm still waiting for the comeback, a la Gooden on the Indians in 1998.

Back in the day, this board had a little more passion than 20-something has-beens (or never-weres) trying to relive the glory days, while trying way too hard to imitate the objective AP sportswriter style.

I'm not a huge fan of the over-rated/under-rated debate, but I'll throw my $0.02 in nonetheless.

Over-rated:

Over-rated/under-rated discussions.

Under-rated:

MIAC Referees. After every round of games, we litter this board with horror stories of atrocious officiating. Sure, they make some bad calls. But is perfection really realistic? And are they really that bad? It's easier to remember the 2 bad calls than the countless correct calls. Furthermore, many of the seemingly bad calls are actually right. In the outrage that the refs called a foul when the defender was "straight up" nobody tends to notice that the foul was actually called on the other guy who foolishly pushed the shooter despite his teammate's superior position.
   

[miacwatchmen]

Gotta love the MIAC in December......can a teams fate be decided before the winter break? If CAR loses are they finished in anyone's mind?

Can the Johnnies muster enough D and have enough stamina to score 80 on the Gusties?

Can Conboy carry MAC over Ike and Co........I don't think so!!

Can the Pipers get back on track? DeRock needs a big game to get them there.

[Willy Wonka]

3. Kel_Varnsen--Where'd he go anyway? Half the posters here probably don't even know him anymore. I'd compare him to Dwight Gooden: some transendent years at a precocious age, followed by a horrific cocaine-fueled meltdown. I'm still waiting for the comeback, a la Gooden on the Indians in 1998.

Back in the day, this board had a little more passion than 20-something has-beens (or never-weres) trying to relive the glory days, while trying way too hard to imitate the objective AP sportswriter style.

I'm not a huge fan of the over-rated/under-rated debate, but I'll throw my $0.02 in nonetheless.

Over-rated:

Over-rated/under-rated discussions.

Under-rated:

MIAC Referees. After every round of games, we litter this board with horror stories of atrocious officiating. Sure, they make some bad calls. But is perfection really realistic? And are they really that bad? It's easier to remember the 2 bad calls than the countless correct calls. Furthermore, many of the seemingly bad calls are actually right. In the outrage that the refs called a foul when the defender was "straight up" nobody tends to notice that the foul was actually called on the other guy who foolishly pushed the shooter despite his teammate's superior position.   

Translation
Wonka circa 2002: MIAC Most Valuable Player.
Wonka circa 2006: MIAC Least Valuable Poster.

[columbianmaffia]

Gotta love the MIAC in December......can a teams fate be decided before the winter break? If CAR loses are they finished in anyone's mind?

ahh the memories...i asked a similar question last year when CAR started out 0-3 in the MIAC...then i asked a player on their team how they thought they would do the rest of the year...that player told me they would win the rest of their MIAC games...at the time i thought the person was insain...but then they ended up winning the rest of their MIAC games...good run fun to watch....hopefully they will bounce back like last year

on a side note...i saw randy foye tonight at a very nice resturaunt...everyone was dressed very nice...he came strolling in with jeans a fleece and a yankees hat cocked to the side....now thats gangster

[Pat Coleman]

If a couple rolls go GAC's way in the final 2 minutes of its losses, the Gusties could pretty easily be 3-0 with wins over two non-MIAC conference title contenders.

I gotta give that comment a couple of these, WW:  Buena Vista is definitely a contender in the IIAC, but Carthage was picked to finish seventh out of eight in the CCIW preseason poll taken of the league's coaches. Not that our eight illustrious hoops mentors are generally good prognosticators, but they're not along in consigning Carthage to also-ran status; most of the people who follow the league are picking the Redmen to finish among the bottom two or three as well.

Some posts are a lot funnier when you read them for the first time two weeks later.

[Willy Wonka]

For those of you in bed sleeping, I'll do the necessary research to elaborate on Pat's post. This is sniped from the Carthage web site.

"The Carthage College men's basketball team (4-1, 0-0 College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin) completed a CCIW-sweep of the Friday-Saturday, Dec. 1-2 CCIW/MIAA Men's Basketball Classic at the Carthage Physical Education Center in Kenosha, Wis., with a 74-54 drubbing of No. 10 Calvin College (3-3) on Saturday. No. 30 Wheaton College (Ill., 4-2) upset No. 5 Hope (2-2), 73-70, in Saturday's other game. On Friday, Carthage stunned Hope College, 71-65, with Wheaton College (Ill.) upsetting Calvin, 73-62. With the two wins, Carthage made its first appearance in the "d3hoops.com" national poll, entering the ranks as the No. 31 team in the Dec. 5 poll."

Like I said at the time, GAC's nonconference schedule can only help them in MIAC play.

[columbianmaffia]

how would you like to have this dudes name...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=148900

[Gregory Sager]

Hey, I never said that Carthage was bad. I said that nobody considered them to be a contender, contra WW's assertion otherwise. What I said was 100% correct, and I stand by it.

You don't have a problem with me; you have a problem with the seven other CCIW coaches and all of the CCIW Chat types who picked the Red Men to finish sixth or lower this season.

[sumander]

how would you like to have this dudes name...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=148900

Cmob, I am looking for the "official" pronunciation for that one! 

[Flip the Red Bird]

Shocker:

How is Jake Phillips over-rated.  "Kid has No range, no handles, no vision. Kid barely cracked the rotation on a team that lost its first 3 conference games last year."  But somehow led the miac in assists per game last year, led the league in 3point percentage and was 2nd in the league in 3 pointers made   3rd in the leage in assist to turnover ratio??   also led the league in minutes per game and after the first 3 games I'd say his team did all right wouldn't you.  If he is over-rated what do you think he should be doing?  Personally I don't like his game, and find it hard to watch the kid but somehow he gets it done.

[d3bballfollower]

Red Bird- great point about phillips...it doesn't matter if a guy looks good or not...the only thing that matters is that he gets the job done, and so far this year phillips has, carleton is 0-4, but not because of phillips...he is averaging 35 mpg (most on team), 14 ppg (3rd), 2.8 rpg (t-4) and has 23 assists which is 5.75 apg all while shooting 43% from beyond the arc and 42% overall (not stellar shooting numbers, but pretty good for a guy some say "has no range")...as has been said numerous times, phillips is one of the best, if not the best, point guards in the league...i relate phillips' game to a quote from the movie white men can't jump...woody's character says to wesley's character "you'd rather look good and lose than look bad and win"...well, phillips may not think is game is not the smoothest, but i guarantee you that he would rather look rough and do what he doing and win, then look great and lose

keep up the good work red bird