MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[columbianmaffia]

Nites - this is why I asked the question in my earlier post - how was Watch measuring athletic ability.  You're right, clips I've seen of Jordan playing baseball he didn't look too hot.  But Lonnie can.  On the flipside though, from one of PI's posts earlier in the season, Lonnie's not much of a skateboarder.   

lonnie may not be much of a skateboarder but you should see him on roller skates...i saw him at skateville in burnsville one day doing a lil roller skatin with some breezies...he had some killer knee pads on too

[PTPer35]

PS
How does SJU4life have that many karma pts???

probably because people are amused by his POV, I know I am.

Anyone know when the actual end 'o season awards are coming out? Should be interesting to see how close I was. A little surprised there wasn't any debate, but not really.

"How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?" is much
more difficult to type 10x fast than it is to say it.

Good point CmOb, good roller skatin always impresses the BREEZIES.

[miacwatchmen]

Before all the work I missed during the MIAC regular season totally consumes me, here are a few comments:

TH4L – have your lost your mind or has Wonka totally brainwashed you?!?  You're calling Keating a role player?? 

SJU4life,

...If I had to choose role players between UST and SJU, I'd take Robinson, Dwyer and Keating over S. Schafer, Ohme and Brink right now.

I know Willy is probably thinking I'm trying to revive the Keating for league MVP (which I'm not), but do these stats read like that of your typical role player?

15.6/ppg for 8th overall in league scoring
9.3/Rpg 2nd in the league in rebounding 

Watch – I like your boy Brink alot, but how are you measuring athletic ability?  Is he a college 2 sport athlete like UST's Lonnie Robinson?  Last year as a sophomore, Robinson was one of the stalwarts on the Tommie pitching staff & had a 4-0 W-L, 2.51 ERA, 5 saves, & had 46 SOs for 3rd place on the team.  I would probably agree with you though & give Brink the slight edge as a better basketball player than Robinson. But until I hear or see more evidence, I would say it's difficult to say which one is more athletic.  I would tend to give the nod to Robinson because of his additional baseball success.

If GAC's Trevor Wittwer fully recovers from his injury I think it could be a very interesting duel between him & Brink next year.  As I've said before, when I saw Wittwer & crew beat Bethel back in December, I thought I was witnessing the unveiling of the latest MIAC superstar.  I think Brink has similar type of ability.

Drake you are just to good for me. Excellent points. I shall reconsider my point.  +K

[abominable_snowman]

Before all the work I missed during the MIAC regular season totally consumes me, here are a few comments:

TH4L – have your lost your mind or has Wonka totally brainwashed you?!?  You're calling Keating a role player?? 

SJU4life,

...If I had to choose role players between UST and SJU, I'd take Robinson, Dwyer and Keating over S. Schafer, Ohme and Brink right now.

I know Willy is probably thinking I'm trying to revive the Keating for league MVP (which I'm not), but do these stats read like that of your typical role player?

15.6/ppg for 8th overall in league scoring
9.3/Rpg 2nd in the league in rebounding 

Watch – I like your boy Brink alot, but how are you measuring athletic ability?  Is he a college 2 sport athlete like UST's Lonnie Robinson?  Last year as a sophomore, Robinson was one of the stalwarts on the Tommie pitching staff & had a 4-0 W-L, 2.51 ERA, 5 saves, & had 46 SOs for 3rd place on the team.  I would probably agree with you though & give Brink the slight edge as a better basketball player than Robinson. But until I hear or see more evidence, I would say it's difficult to say which one is more athletic.  I would tend to give the nod to Robinson because of his additional baseball success.

If GAC's Trevor Wittwer fully recovers from his injury I think it could be a very interesting duel between him & Brink next year.  As I've said before, when I saw Wittwer & crew beat Bethel back in December, I thought I was witnessing the unveiling of the latest MIAC superstar.  I think Brink has similar type of ability.

VOJ – Are you trying to kill the Tommies with kindness?

...I doubt you would get Fritz to say it, but this is probably the most talented team he has had since he took the Tommies to the Final 4. 

They're certainly a talented bunch, but I don't think they're as strong as even last year's club, let alone the 94 Final Four team.  I think I may have even got Mose to agree with me on this one. Who knows, mebbe this bunch will prove me wrong.

Perhaps team strength is  not as good a metric as effeceincy.  Sometimes 3 is more manageable than 6.  Luckily for UST the 3 are very complimentary to each other.  Ike demands inside attention, Schnettler demands outside attention, and Keating does the rest. 

As far as preparation goes, this is what makes tourrney basketball so exciting.  Every minute of everygame counts, so really season performance often goes out the window.  You never know who will show up on any night, and no matter who does, you can bet it will most likely be a high caliber team. (esp if you are in the ust/uwsp bracket)

[miacwatchmen]

Anyone know when the actual end 'o season awards are coming out? Should be interesting to see how close I was. A little surprised there wasn't any debate, but not really.

I imagine the end of the year awards came out right around this time last year. For sure within the first week after the championship game.

[Willy Wonka]

Well, the UWSP coach was quoted as saying he HATES getting a bye in the first round a few years back for the very reason Mr. Sager mentioned (dealing with GAC). In fact, I know an old Pointer (RE: late 30s) who says the coaching staff thought the 2002-03 team was better than either of the national title teams before the bye caused a blown tire. I'm not sure I agree with his/their thinking, but it should create some hope for the Johnnies, should they survive their opener.

As for Wonka's thoughts...making the tournament is great, but I preferred to pound an inferior opponent in the opener rather than having another day to pound on each other in practice. Perhaps my 3-0 record in the opener vs. 0-1 with the bye causes some bias, but I never claimed to be impartial

[miacwatchmen]

As for Wonka's thoughts...making the tournament is great, but I preferred to pound an inferior opponent in the opener rather than having another day to pound on each other in practice. Perhaps my 3-0 record in the opener vs. 0-1 with the bye causes some bias, but I never claimed to be impartial

4- Straight NCAA tourney trips now that is impressive.

[John Gleich]

Well, the UWSP coach was quoted as saying he HATES getting a bye in the first round a few years back for the very reason Mr. Sager mentioned (dealing with GAC). In fact, I know an old Pointer (RE: late 30s) who says the coaching staff thought the 2002-03 team was better than either of the national title teams before the bye caused a blown tire. I'm not sure I agree with his/their thinking, but it should create some hope for the Johnnies, should they survive their opener.

As for Wonka's thoughts...making the tournament is great, but I preferred to pound an inferior opponent in the opener rather than having another day to pound on each other in practice. Perhaps my 3-0 record in the opener vs. 0-1 with the bye causes some bias, but I never claimed to be impartial

WW,

In terms of the 02-03 team vs. the 03-04 or 04-05 teams from Point... basically all the 02-03 team had that the others didn't was Josh Iserloth.  And though Izzy had some great games, he largely disappeared in the last 1/5 of the season.  The last 4 games he had 14, 10, 3, and 15 points.  The team had played quite well during the early part of the year, but Iserloth tweaked a previous injury and Point was a shadow of the original team.  Even so, the team was largely led by rather untested Sophomores rather than upper classmen.  The loss we took to you guys at our place really caused guys like Nick Bennett to propel himself in the offseason.  Bennett was a good player as a sophomore and turned himself into a great player as a Junior, then an All-American as a Senior.

[Willy Wonka]

PS - To a man, my Gustie team thought yours was the best team we played during our run to the title game. However, I thought you were better the next year (and, likely, the year after that, though I wouldn't know that from experience).

My Pointer buddy refuses to agree with that assessment and says at least one person on the staff agrees with him...but I guess the results should speak for themselves.

Watch - Don't say that too loud. Mig may come back

[kel_varnsen]

With Brett Boese on the roster, how could a team not make the tournament?

[Willy Wonka]

In a shameless rip of a classic quote...

If you need 2 points, Wonka will get you 4. If you need 8 points, Wonka might get you five.

[ustbumkneez]

In a shameless rip of a classic quote...

If you need 2 points, Wonka will get you 4. If you need 8 points, Wonka might get you five.

WW, does that mean Leroy Hoard is your idol?

[Gregory Sager]

Schnettler is the best shooter in D3 basketball, arguably in any division.

Not according to the D3 trey-percentage statistics kept on the NCAA website. As of 2/25:

1. Nate Stahl, Capital	51.1%
2t. Andrew Tulowitzky, Oglethorpe	50.0%
2t. Steve Hicklin, UWSP	50.0%
4. Matt Henninger, Messiah	49.6%
5. Sherod Harris, Brockport State	48.7%
6. Matt Walsh, Cabrini	48.5%
7. Connor Whitman, Occidental	48.0%
8. Bryan Schnettler, St. Thomas	47.7%

The qualifying minimum is 2.5 made treys per game, so all of these guys are legit.

[Gregory Sager]

SJU4life,

Some of your comments are barely even worth responding to, but i'll try my best to be fair and objective. I'll admit that Westman has hit some big shots in his day, but I haven't been there to see them with my own two eyes. Schnettler is the second best 3-point shooter in the entire country behind CDH grad Steve Sirr, and they are also 1-2 in total attempts.

And now I'll ask you the same question I'm asking Dunkmachine: Where are you coming up with this? The leaderboards on the NCAA website do not back you up, TH4L. There are seven shooters in D3, nine in D2, and seven in D1 (including Steve Sir, who ranks sixth in D1) that have better trey percentages than Schnettler.

If you're using treys made per game as your gauge, Schnettler ranks fourth in D3 behind Amir Mazarei of Redlands and John Grotberg of Grinnell (both "System" players, if you're so inclined to dismiss stats compiled by the Arseneault System of play used by those two schools), as well as Mike Hoyt of Mount St. Mary's (who was recently profiled in a feature article on this website). Mazarei averages 6.2 made treys per game, while Grotberg and Hoyt each average 4.7. Schnettler averages 4.2. Sir does lead D1 in that category, with 4.1; there's also three D2 sharpshooters that net 4.1 bombs per game.

As far as trey attempts are concerned, Mazarei and Hoyt have each let it fly more times than has Schnettler. Both have more total treys on the season than Schnettler as well. Sir is second in D1 in trey attempts, behind Marist's Will Whittington.

[Pat Coleman]

In Around the Nation just two short weeks ago, Greg, Sir and Schnettler were noted as the only shooters in the NCAA to have made both 100 threes and have higher than 49% success rate.

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/07/feb14.htm

Seems like a good measure that takes in both stats -- 3s per game and percentage.