MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[piperinsider]

I'm here. I check in everyday. Just nothing to report.

[sumander]

I'm here. I check in everyday. Just nothing to report.

Makes two of us PI!

[TearDrop]

I'm here. I check in everyday. Just nothing to report.

Makes two of us PI!

I know I am new, but as long as we are checking in....

[hoopmaster]

Is there any news on who has shown up on campus (any campus)?
Is Greg Morse playing football at UST?  If so does anyone know how he is doing?  He's good basketball player but I am not sure if he is going to have a spot on their varsity this year. 

[piperinsider]

Morse is on the roster. I'm sure he will play basketball. His size and speed are a lethal combination at the D3 level.

[piperinsider]

Bigger headscratch:
Concordia-St. Paul playing in a four-team tournament with three DI schools or NCAA Division II Bemidji State playing at Indiana in men's basketball Nov. 11?

Seriously, Indiana, a DII school from MN?

[TearDrop]

Bigger headscratch:
Concordia-St. Paul playing in a four-team tournament with three DI schools or NCAA Division II Bemidji State playing at Indiana in men's basketball Nov. 11?

Seriously, Indiana, a DII school from MN?

Bemidji I would almost gaurentee is getting a rather large lump of money to go and play them and I don't think they are, but if Bemidji could be top teir D2 team they might make it a better game than we think with the state of the Indiana program.

I know at first glance you think D2 school from MN, going against a Big Ten school but if you remember a couple years ago Winona St (MN D2) knocked off the Gophers (Big Ten). I know the Warriors were one of the top teams in the country for D2 that year and the Gophers were terrible but I am just saying that it has happened before.

[Gregory Sager]

Bigger headscratch:
Concordia-St. Paul playing in a four-team tournament with three DI schools or NCAA Division II Bemidji State playing at Indiana in men's basketball Nov. 11?

Seriously, Indiana, a DII school from MN?

Bemidji I would almost gaurentee is getting a rather large lump of money to go and play them and I don't think they are, but if Bemidji could be top teir D2 team they might make it a better game than we think with the state of the Indiana program.

I know at first glance you think D2 school from MN, going against a Big Ten school but if you remember a couple years ago Winona St (MN D2) knocked off the Gophers (Big Ten). I know the Warriors were one of the top teams in the country for D2 that year and the Gophers were terrible but I am just saying that it has happened before.

1. The Bemidji State @ Indiana game is a preseason exhibition. It's therefore pointless to bash Indiana over scheduling that game.

2. You aren't seriously suggesting that Bemidji State (which was 5-23 last season) is a worthwhile opponent for a Big Ten team just because Winona State knocked off Minnesota a couple of years ago, are you? I mean, seriously, that's just silly. That's like saying that St. Mary's would be a worthwhile opponent for Winona State next year because a fellow MIAC team (St. Thomas) beat Winona State last season.

[TearDrop]

Bigger headscratch:
Concordia-St. Paul playing in a four-team tournament with three DI schools or NCAA Division II Bemidji State playing at Indiana in men's basketball Nov. 11?

Seriously, Indiana, a DII school from MN?

Bemidji I would almost gaurentee is getting a rather large lump of money to go and play them and I don't think they are, but if Bemidji could be top teir D2 team they might make it a better game than we think with the state of the Indiana program.

I know at first glance you think D2 school from MN, going against a Big Ten school but if you remember a couple years ago Winona St (MN D2) knocked off the Gophers (Big Ten). I know the Warriors were one of the top teams in the country for D2 that year and the Gophers were terrible but I am just saying that it has happened before.

1. The Bemidji State @ Indiana game is a preseason exhibition. It's therefore pointless to bash Indiana over scheduling that game.

2. You aren't seriously suggesting that Bemidji State (which was 5-23 last season) is a worthwhile opponent for a Big Ten team just because Winona State knocked off Minnesota a couple of years ago, are you? I mean, seriously, that's just silly. That's like saying that St. Mary's would be a worthwhile opponent for Winona State next year because a fellow MIAC team (St. Thomas) beat Winona State last season.

If you read my entire post I said that I didnt think that they were a top D2 team. So no, I do not think that they stand a chance. I just did not have time to look up how good their team was. Also, with all of the players that left or were kicked off Indiana's team I was just saying that I think that they will have a very long year. None the less, I think that they will beat Bemidji by at least 30.

[Gregory Sager]

Bigger headscratch:
Concordia-St. Paul playing in a four-team tournament with three DI schools or NCAA Division II Bemidji State playing at Indiana in men's basketball Nov. 11?

Seriously, Indiana, a DII school from MN?

Bemidji I would almost gaurentee is getting a rather large lump of money to go and play them and I don't think they are, but if Bemidji could be top teir D2 team they might make it a better game than we think with the state of the Indiana program.

I know at first glance you think D2 school from MN, going against a Big Ten school but if you remember a couple years ago Winona St (MN D2) knocked off the Gophers (Big Ten). I know the Warriors were one of the top teams in the country for D2 that year and the Gophers were terrible but I am just saying that it has happened before.

1. The Bemidji State @ Indiana game is a preseason exhibition. It's therefore pointless to bash Indiana over scheduling that game.

2. You aren't seriously suggesting that Bemidji State (which was 5-23 last season) is a worthwhile opponent for a Big Ten team just because Winona State knocked off Minnesota a couple of years ago, are you? I mean, seriously, that's just silly. That's like saying that St. Mary's would be a worthwhile opponent for Winona State next year because a fellow MIAC team (St. Thomas) beat Winona State last season.

If you read my entire post I said that I didnt think that they were a top D2 team.

I "read your entire post", and that's not what you said at all. In fact, I've enclosed your original quote in this post, just as I did in the earlier one. Once again, here's what you said:

Bemidji I would almost gaurentee is getting a rather large lump of money to go and play them and I don't think they are, but if Bemidji could be top teir D2 team they might make it a better game than we think with the state of the Indiana program.

Your "and I don't think they are" clause precedes the comma, which means that it modifies this statement: "Bemidji I would almost gaurentee [sic] is getting a rather large lump of money to go and play them". Your subsequent statement, "but if Bemidji could be top teir D2 team [sic]", follows the comma. In other words, your post as written indicates that you doubt that Bemidji State is actually going to play Indiana (i.e., in a regular-season game) -- not that you doubt that Bemidji State is a "top teir D2 team".

And your response doesn't address my original point, which is that it's silly to say that a team could give a higher-division opponent a good game just because a different team from that lower-division team's league beat a different team from that higher-division league two years ago.

[sumander]

TearDrop,two pieces of advice (meant to be friendly, because we need all the posters we can get):

1) If you are going to make a bold statement or a point in an argument, you better be able to defend it it with facts or solid evidence. Otherwise your credibility as a poster is tarnished.

2) When dueling with Sensei Sager you need to be sure you have #1 covered! 

[Gregory Sager]

I'm not trying to pick on Tear Drop or bully him ... honest! I'm just baffled by the whole idea that somehow Bemidji State could give Indiana a good game in November just because Winona State beat Minnesota in an exhibition game prior to the 2006-07 season.

[sumander]

I didn't think you were bullying him at all. In fact, I was catching up on the posts and was going to challenge his statements as well. You beat me to the punch. There was no logic to the conclusion that was drawn.

I was merely passing on some thoughts about making a statement and being able to back it up.

[Gregory Sager]

OK. I just don't want to tarnish my rep as Professor Sunshine, spreading warmth and good cheer and lollipops to one and all on Posting Up.

[localcoach]

PI - First of all I don't think that either one of those is that big a head scratcher.  I can add a few more facts that will illustrate my point. 

First, Concordia-St. Paul is playing those 3 teams because the Gophers had a team drop out unexpectedly from their event and getting CSP to fill in was easy given their location and I'm sure that the Golden Bears had no trouble dropping a couple of games to play 3 Division I schools at Williams Arena. 

As far as Bemidji State goes, not only is Coach Matthew Bowen of BSU a former Indiana grad and former manager for the Hoosiers, but current Hoosier Assistant Tim Buckley is a Bemidji State grad as well.  Put two and two together and this game makes sense.

Now, I totally agree that BSU has very little chance of winning or staying close, even with an under manned Indiana team.  Also, I would add that a Minnesota D2 team like Winona State doing what they did (beating a legit D1 team) will not happen again for a while.  That Winona team was special and teams like that at the D2 level just don't come along very often.  When was the last time (if ever ) that a D2 team went to the national championship game 3 years in a row.