MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gregory Sager]

Something tells me that AO is going to milk this win like a Guernsey in the barn at 6 am.

I might if it were an upset.  It's not exactly special when Northwestern beats Hamline.  Just as Wonka would expect Gac to beat Crown or Morris every year, Northwestern expects to beat the pipes.

Methinks that you're cranking up the ol' hyperbole machine with that one, AO. Hamline beat Northwestern last season. The Eagles have taken three out of the last five meetings with the Pipers, but their last two wins in the series (2005-06 and 2006-07) were each by only one point. The other Northwestern win over Hamline (2004-05) was by a dozen. That doesn't strike me as the sort of series that has "expects to win" written on it for either team, and it certainly doesn't sound like the sort of boat race you'd see if Gustavus Adolphus matched up with Crown or Minnesota-Morris in a given season. In GAC's last two contests with UMM (2005-06 and 2006-07), the Gusties won by 25 and 33, respectively.

[AO]

Something tells me that AO is going to milk this win like a Guernsey in the barn at 6 am.

I might if it were an upset.  It's not exactly special when Northwestern beats Hamline.  Just as Wonka would expect Gac to beat Crown or Morris every year, Northwestern expects to beat the pipes.

Methinks that you're cranking up the ol' hyperbole machine with that one, AO. Hamline beat Northwestern last season. The Eagles have taken three out of the last five meetings with the Pipers, but their last two wins in the series (2005-06 and 2006-07) were each by only one point. The other Northwestern win over Hamline (2004-05) was by a dozen. That doesn't strike me as the sort of series that has "expects to win" written on it for either team, and it certainly doesn't sound like the sort of boat race you'd see if Gustavus Adolphus matched up with Crown or Minnesota-Morris in a given season. In GAC's last two contests with UMM (2005-06 and 2006-07), the Gusties won by 25 and 33, respectively.

you made my point for me, Hamline winning last year was the upset.

[Gregory Sager]

Something tells me that AO is going to milk this win like a Guernsey in the barn at 6 am.

I might if it were an upset.  It's not exactly special when Northwestern beats Hamline.  Just as Wonka would expect Gac to beat Crown or Morris every year, Northwestern expects to beat the pipes.

Methinks that you're cranking up the ol' hyperbole machine with that one, AO. Hamline beat Northwestern last season. The Eagles have taken three out of the last five meetings with the Pipers, but their last two wins in the series (2005-06 and 2006-07) were each by only one point. The other Northwestern win over Hamline (2004-05) was by a dozen. That doesn't strike me as the sort of series that has "expects to win" written on it for either team, and it certainly doesn't sound like the sort of boat race you'd see if Gustavus Adolphus matched up with Crown or Minnesota-Morris in a given season. In GAC's last two contests with UMM (2005-06 and 2006-07), the Gusties won by 25 and 33, respectively.

you made my point for me, Hamline winning last year was the upset.

How did I make your point for you? Hamline's won two of the last five meetings, Northwestern has won three of them. Two of Northwestern's three wins were by a single solitary point. Hence, there is no dominance established between the two programs. Therefore, there was no "expects to win" scenario, and no upset last season.

And I see that you haven't answered my charge that your comparison of Northwestern vs. Hamline to either GAC vs. Crown or GAC vs. UMM was baseless.

[AO]

Something tells me that AO is going to milk this win like a Guernsey in the barn at 6 am.

I might if it were an upset.  It's not exactly special when Northwestern beats Hamline.  Just as Wonka would expect Gac to beat Crown or Morris every year, Northwestern expects to beat the pipes.

Methinks that you're cranking up the ol' hyperbole machine with that one, AO. Hamline beat Northwestern last season. The Eagles have taken three out of the last five meetings with the Pipers, but their last two wins in the series (2005-06 and 2006-07) were each by only one point. The other Northwestern win over Hamline (2004-05) was by a dozen. That doesn't strike me as the sort of series that has "expects to win" written on it for either team, and it certainly doesn't sound like the sort of boat race you'd see if Gustavus Adolphus matched up with Crown or Minnesota-Morris in a given season. In GAC's last two contests with UMM (2005-06 and 2006-07), the Gusties won by 25 and 33, respectively.

you made my point for me, Hamline winning last year was the upset.

How did I make my point for you? Hamline's won two of the last five meetings, Northwestern has won three of them. Two of Northwestern's three wins were by a single solitary point. Hence, there is no dominance established between the two programs. Therefore, there was no "expects to win" scenario, and no upset last season.

And I see that you haven't answered my charge that your comparison of Northwestern vs. Hamline to either GAC vs. Crown or GAC vs. UMM was baseless.

and we're 11-3 in the last 14.  point is for as long as I've been around Northwestern, we've expected to beat Hamline, therefore your point about me riding this victory for weeks was baseless.

I would be pretty hard pressed to find a comparision where the 2 schools played to similar scores as Northwestern and Hamline have, maybe Bethel and Crown would be a better comparison as Bethel has expected to win, but Crown played them close the past couple years. 

as evidenced by the pickems and discussions about the UMAC on this board, there were incorrect assumptions about Hamline being favored.  They have not been better on paper, and very rarely have they been better in the game.   In a clear rebuilding year for Northwestern, the margin is 12.  Best of luck to the pipers the rest of the way.

[basketballlover]

Carleton upsets Chaminade University in HI, 74-69, to improve to 3-0.

[Gregory Sager]

and we're 11-3 in the last 14.  point is for as long as I've been around Northwestern, we've expected to beat Hamline, therefore your point about me riding this victory for weeks was baseless.

I'm looking back at the last five meetings between Hamline and Northwestern, dating back to the earlier part of this decade, and I'm seeing five results that indicate that this is a very narrowly-contested series. What may or may not have happened twenty years ago is not relevant. The only facts that matter are the most recent final scores, and they clearly indicate that neither Northwestern nor Hamline have established dominance over each other in this decade. If you Northwesterners expect to beat Hamline, then good for you. But the actual results of the games do not lend credence to such optimism.

And the Guernsey comment I made was a joke. All kidding aside, I was actually somewhat sympathetic towards your point of view. The UMAC room is dead as a doornail, and the MIACers in here don't seem to have developed much of an affinity for your contrarian views towards their teams and their league.

I would be pretty hard pressed to find a comparision where the 2 schools played to similar scores as Northwestern and Hamline have, maybe Bethel and Crown would be a better comparison as Bethel has expected to win, but Crown played them close the past couple years.

You're not looking hard enough. Try Hope vs. Calvin. Seriously, there are plenty of examples of series that have been fairly closely-contested, with winners on both sides, over the course of the past decade. Bethel vs. Crown isn't really a good example. Yes, Crown has played the Royals tight the past couple of times out, but Bethel's won that game the past six years ... and the three wins before the two close ones were all massacres. The Storm have to establish that they can actually beat the Royals before we can call it the same sort of closely-contested series that Northwestern vs. Hamline has turned out to be.

as evidenced by the pickems and discussions about the UMAC on this board, there were incorrect assumptions about Hamline being favored.  They have not been better on paper, and very rarely have they been better in the game.   In a clear rebuilding year for Northwestern, the margin is 12.  Best of luck to the pipers the rest of the way.

I won't defend the assumptions of the MIACers, since they have to take responsibility for their own points of view regarding Northwestern and the UMAC. However, I will point out that: a) "better on paper" is a completely meaningless term, particularly in the context of D3; and b) it's a rebuilding year for Hamline as well as for Northwestern.

Carleton upsets Chaminade University in HI, 74-69, to improve to 3-0.

Now that is an impressive win!

[piperinsider]

MIAC & UMAC split tonight.

Northwestern beat Hamline 74- 62 ("pretty good prediction O" he said begrudgingly). No stats yet.

And in a game featuring two teams that couldn't shoot straight, the Oles beat Martin Luther 70-50 behind a robust shooting touch 38% FGA & 29% from behind the arc. MLC was an outstanding 32% FGA & a whooping 12.5% from downtown.  

Bobby Fong of the Oles was 8-22!! Who's gonna let a freshman jack up that many shots & miss??   

FYI: Martin Luther was missing its top player in point guard Gavin Holzhueter.

[Drake Palmer]

Wow, move over UST, a new big dog is in town -

Carleton pulls D2 Upset!

[Nites]

Wow, move over UST, a new big dog is in town -

Carleton pulls D2 Upset!

Pretty impressive.  They also knocked off D-II Western New Mexico in their previous game in Hawaii.  If the Knights win their game against the Johnnies this week, I expect to see them ranked in the next D-III poll.

Chaminade lost to Indiana by 2 points in their last game.  They're now 0-4 on the year, but their first 3 losses were to D-I teams, including a blowout loss to No. 1 UNC.

[VOJ]

So does that make the Knights a 3 point favorite at the West Gym and a 1 point dog at Indiana??

Tomorrow nights matchup will be my first look at the J's, very excited about that, should be a good test against the Royals on the road...In fact the J's first three are on the road in MIAC play, tough stretch to open up. 

[Nites]

So does that make the Knights a 3 point favorite at the West Gym and a 1 point dog at Indiana??

Nope.  It just makes them 3-0, with a couple of nice road wins in Hawaii.   

And speaking of nice road wins, that was a fine effort by the Johnnies to knock off Occidental, a school with what appears to be a pretty nice basketball program.

By the way, Herman didn't start one game in California and he didn't log a lot of minutes in either game.  Was he injured or ill?

[AO]

I'd take the carls over the Hoosiers this year.  Indiana looks terrible this year.

[Nites]

I'd take the carls over the Hoosiers this year.  Indiana looks terrible this year.

Why?  Just because they lost to Notre Dame by 28 and St. Josephs by 26 in Maui before beating Chaminade by 2?     How bad to you think Wake Forest will beat them this week?

[AO]

I'd take the carls over the Hoosiers this year.  Indiana looks terrible this year.

Why?  Just because they lost to Notre Dame by 28 and St. Josephs by 26 in Maui before beating Chaminade by 2?     How bad to you think Wake Forest will beat them this week?

They could easily be mistaken for a d3 team from what I've seen.  I just looked up a hoosier preview on google and this is what I found. 

Bottom line: The Hoosiers will not be good this year. That's no breaking news. Even at the time of this writing, the mighty Big Ten program just eeked by IUPUI, a decent but far inferior program overall. If Indiana wins 10 games, fans will probably be dancing a jig. Have no fear, IU fans–it will be darkest before the dawn, and the alarm clock should be going off in about 2 years. Then–prepare for takeoff.

[columbianmaffia]

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google
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carleton
"the powerhouse of DII basketball"

8.
Go gophers...ACC is poopy

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any time hamline beats any team it is an upset (except for games against 4/5 of the UMAC and 1/5 of the MIAC)...sorry piper...i still like u

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The team that starts with a B (i forgot their name) out of the UMAC that beat Gus Davis is getting interest from a D1 high school basketball recruit out of southern mn...he was quoted as saying

"the victory over GAC proved to me that the school has better academics, a better location, will provide a better basketball and life experience, and shows me they will make the NCAA tourney this year. now that they have the powerful recruiting territory of southern mn on lock down i dont see anyone beating them in the next 12 to 28 years."