MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[zander]

good luck to Rose. Hopefully Transy gets beat by 40. yes im bitter

ha ha

[Mr. Ypsi]

good luck to Rose. Hopefully Transy gets beat by 40. yes im bitter

Well, I have nothing to be bitter about, but as a Titan fan, I echo your sentiment!

(I don't for a moment expect a blowout, but one can always hope!)

[sac]

Yea its not looking good based on the "experts" predictions. Nothing makes me more upset that the D3 tournament selection process. Its a total mess.

In region:

Hanover: 18-7
Transy: 19-6

Hanover lost to Wabash but Transy lost to one of the worst teams in the Nation is Manchester, at home!

The resumes are actually pretty similar- in my eyes if you beat a team 3 times with similar resumes then its a no brainer who the better team is.

Transylvania - 19-6 (.760)/.548/4-1 
Hanover - 18-7 (.720)/.524/.3-3


Transylvania has a better overall Pool C resume.  Hanover's numbers are not good enough to get in...Transy's are good enough to at least get to the bubble for consideration. 

As I see it, if the Midwest region ranks Hanover higher than Transy, neither will get in.  Both had a chance to get in via Pool A and did not take advantage.  At this point the region has to put its teams up in the order that maximixes Pool C possibilities.

I wonder if Hanover received the #8 ranking in the region, thus giving Transy 3 more of the ever popular RRO's.


Transylvania played a pretty outstanding non-conference schedule that included 5 tournament teams.

Catholic
Randolph-Macon
Spalding
Centre
Wooster

and two more that were regionally ranked
Franklin and Marshall
Thomas More

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

At the end of the season, when it really counted, Hanover outplayed Transy. If beating Transy head to head 3x, taking the conference bye away from them, and beating them in the HCAC tourney doesn't prove Hanover is the better team, something is wrong.

In this case, Hanover proved they were the better team when they played, but the overall picture and the criteria says that Transylvania proved they were the better team for the entire season. The criteria is there and Hanover only won 1/5 of the primary criteria.

Yea its not looking good based on the "experts" predictions. Nothing makes me more upset that the D3 tournament selection process. Its a total mess.

In region:

Hanover: 18-7
Transy: 19-6

Hanover lost to Wabash but Transy lost to one of the worst teams in the Nation is Manchester, at home!

The resumes are actually pretty similar- in my eyes if you beat a team 3 times with similar resumes then its a no brainer who the better team is.

Transylvania - 19-6 (.760)/.548/4-1 
Hanover - 18-7 (.720)/.524/.3-3


Transylvania has a better overall Pool C resume.  Hanover's numbers are not good enough to get in...Transy's are good enough to at least get to the bubble for consideration. 

As I see it, if the Midwest region ranks Hanover higher than Transy, neither will get in.  Both had a chance to get in via Pool A and did not take advantage.  At this point the region has to put its teams up in the order that maximixes Pool C possibilities.

I wonder if Hanover received the #8 ranking in the region, thus giving Transy 3 more of the ever popular RRO's.


Transylvania played a pretty outstanding non-conference schedule that included 5 tournament teams.

Catholic
Randolph-Macon
Spalding
Centre
Wooster

and two more that were regionally ranked
Franklin and Marshall
Thomas More

From what I was told of the final regional rankings... Hanover was not #8... in fact they did not make the list.

[zander]

Wonder how many of the other teams that got an at large bid, didn't get second in their conference, didn't make it to their conference championship game and was beaten 3x by the team that did?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

You do know that Hanover's coach is on the regional committee, right? While he can't vote for his team or take part in the conversations surrounding his team, I am pretty sure he can give you an explanation why his team wasn't even regionally ranked let alone make the tournament (by the way, it helps if you are regionally ranked especially if one of the teams who was ranked... didn't make the tournament as well).

[sac]

Wonder how many of the other teams that got an at large bid, didn't get second in their conference, didn't make it to their conference championship game and was beaten 3x by the team that did?

Party of one

[zander]

Well good-luck to the "party of one" and RH.....

[dc_has_been]

Just saw the all-HCAC teams for this season and am a little surprised about the Player of the year!  Wolfrum tops Strickland in almost every statistical category and does not get the nod over Strickland?

[AndOne]

Just saw the all-HCAC teams for this season and am a little surprised about the Player of the year!  Wolfrum tops Strickland in almost every statistical category and does not get the nod over Strickland?

If the thought process is anything like it is in some other conference settings, a lot more goes into the selection of the POY than mere statistics. In the conference I am most familiar with, the CCIW, the POY (called the MOP there) was from the 2nd place team while the statistical leader in some of the more "important" statistical categories, was actually a member of the 3rd place team. Additionally, and this may have been a factor in the voting, I believe the award winner is a member of the 1st place team in the conference, and the other player referenced is a member of the 4th place team which finished 5 games behind the leader in conference, and 11 games behind overall. As we've all heard, "to the victor go the spoils." Sometimes the process doesn't appear equitable, but I have to believe team standing almost always plays at least some role in the voting for conference awards.

[dc_has_been]

Just saw the all-HCAC teams for this season and am a little surprised about the Player of the year!  Wolfrum tops Strickland in almost every statistical category and does not get the nod over Strickland?

If the thought process is anything like it is in some other conference settings, a lot more goes into the selection of the POY than mere statistics. In the conference I am most familiar with, the CCIW, the POY (called the MOP there) was from the 2nd place team while the statistical leader in some of the more "important" statistical categories, was actually a member of the 3rd place team. Additionally, and this may have been a factor in the voting, I believe the award winner is a member of the 1st place team in the conference, and the other player referenced is a member of the 4th place team which finished 5 games behind the leader in conference, and 11 games behind overall. As we've all heard, "to the victor go the spoils." Sometimes the process doesn't appear equitable, but I have to believe team standing almost always plays at least some role in the voting for conference awards.

I see what you are saying, but Wolfrum was the lone senior(other senior did not get much pt) on a team with one junior and the rest were sophmore's and freshmen.  What I am getting at is that Strickland had a better supporting cast to have a better W/L versus what Wolfrum had. 
Well, it doesn't matter much now.  I hope both RHIT and Transy do well in the tournament and after next football season, I look forward to DC dominating the HCAC for the next few years now that the young Sophmores and Freshmen have more experience.  Plus, watch for Hicks to be in the running for MVP of the HCAC next year. 

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Rose-Hulman falls at home to Calvin 72-52 and Transylvania loses at Illinois Wesleyan 80-71. Transy hung in there but IWU hit their FT down the stretch. Add in the Hanover women and the HCAC goes 0-3 in the NCAA tourney this year.

[arena]

Anyone here have a password for the Rose-Hulman video on demand so I can watch the game last night?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

arena - I don't think you are going to be able to watch the game at all... per NCAA video guidelines.

[dc_has_been]

Well, the season has started with the HCAC record being 3-3 so far.  Hoping we can have a strong showing in nonconference action and then have some strong HCAC conference action where my Jackets end up on top .  Here's to a great season!!!