MBB: MAC Freedom League

[ColonelJohn4Life]

I know you have a Scranton sweatshirt in the back of your closet....I settle for you rooting for FDU on Saturday!

NEPA, I'm riding shotgun on the FDU bandwagon this week.  Another W tonight.  I love it.

[ColonelJohn4Life]

CJ,
    What if Scranton loses both and Desales wins both; then we have Kings/FDU tied for 1st and Scranton/Desales tied for 3rd.

BJ - DSU SID,
   What's that #2 tiebreaker; does anybody play a 3rd(nonconference) game against each other?

Ronk,
In that scenario, King's hangs on to the #1 seed.  Kings and FDU will have split, no mythical "3rd game", both split with DeSales, and King's has the better record against Scranton (2-0 vs. 1-1).
Also, DeSales would get the #3 seed.  DeSales and Scranton would have split head-to-head, not have played non-conference, both split with FDU, DeSales gets the nod by virtue of better record vs. Kings (1-1 vs 0-2).

And off the top of my head, pre-season events like the old Laurel Line tourney would have seen non-conference matches of Freedom opponents... but they haven't played that in like a decade.  Just putting it out there.

[BJ - DSU SID]

Ronk - I just literally spent the last 30 minutes of my night breaking this situation down.  It is literally so complicated that it would come down to the score of the FDU/King's game on Saturday.  If point differential were happen to be the same as their first meeting (3 points), we are looking at complete CHAOS!!! So pray this does not happen.

Rather than post this entire scenario, I am just gonna keep it under my hat and worry about it later, if in fact this scenario plays out.

But for everyone's sake I really hope it doesn't.  Cause it will be UGLY!!!

[BJ - DSU SID]

CJ4Life

Be careful...I am not sure are right on this one.  Make sure your reading the fine print in the MAC Fact Book in regards to tiebreaking procedures.

If your unsure what I am talking about, email me and I'll explain.  My email is on the DSU site as I am sure you are well aware.

[loyalroyal]

According to the MAC Fact Book, this is the order of the tiebreakers for two teams that are tied at the end of the regular season

1.) Head-to-Head record of tied teams in traditional season conference contests
2.) Head-to-Head record of tied teams in traditional season contests
(I know it looks like I repeated myself, but that is what it says)

3.) Tied teams win loss record starting with the #1 team, then #2 and so on
4.) Winning Percentage of away conference games

So all the scenarios are:
Kings and Scranton tie - Kings wins due to 2-0 record against Scranton
Kings and FDU tie - Kings wins due to 2-0 record against Scranton
Kings, FDU and Scranton tie - Kings wins with a combined 3-1 record against FDU and Scranton, FDU gets #2 with a 2-2 record and Scranton gets number 3 with a 1-3 record.
Scranton and FDU tie - FDU wins with a better record against Kings
Scranton and DeSales tie - DeSales wins due to a better record against Kings
DeSales and FDU tie - FDU wins with a better record against Drew (records amongst all other conference opponents are equal).

Those are all the scenarios I can think of.  If you want to read the official rules on tie-breakers, go to http://www.mascac.org/Fact%20Book/Executive.pdf

GO ROYALS!!!

[cold_case]

Is the Scranton at Lyco game still on for tonight? No mention of it or the time.

[NEPAFAN]

Is the Scranton at Lyco game still on for tonight? No mention of it or the time.

BASKETBALL vs. SCRANTON TONIGHT!!
(dress for a "white out")
6:00 & 8:00 p.m.

[bziadie]

BJ:

You spend enough time in the office.....take a night off buddy.

Call/explanation of the night in the King's-Wilke game....Kresge stps out for a three-pointer maybe a foot or so behind the three-point line.  Cousart runs toward him but out to the side, not directly at him.  Cousart maybe gets a fingertip at most on the ball as the shooters hand is behind the ball and his hand is coming towards the front of the ball. Airball just a tad short of the rim........No body contact at all.  Foul called all three shots made. Cousart picks up his fourth foul and goes to the bench with just under 14 minutes left in the game.

JP asks for an explanation and wants to know where the contact was.  Referee says......."That kid (Kresge) never come up short on his shots."   

J.P. laughs out loud and says......"Never? He has never once come up sort on a shot."   Priceless.

[cold_case]

I patiently await the Wilkes fans response to Zades post.

[NEPAFAN]

Right because one foul makes a game..........

[saratoga]

I don't think I've seen a situation where Scranton has the potential to be a 1 seed, a 2 seed, a 3 seed or a 4 based on the last two games of the season & also dependent on what 3 other teams are doing in quite some time. I realize there have been situations where how a  particular team finishes is directly related to where they're seeded...but, all 4 seeds a distinct possibility...I don't think that's happened in a while. Lyco is usually tough at home & in these spoiler situations they can be murder.

[Leo The Lion]

In response to Bob's post,

I don't like to talk about the refs after a loss, that seems soooo.... Scranton-esque.  As for the call in question, it seemed like a bad call.  In fact there were only two calls in the game that I thought were really bad.  I'll be the first one to say that King's should look into the mirror before blaming the refs.  However, if you believe in the fallacy of predetermined outcomes...

[ronk]

One more scenario:
   Desales, Scranton, FDU tie at 9-5
   DEsales gets 2nd;don't know who's 3rd, but at least no trip to jersey

[lefty2]

And off the top of my head, pre-season events like the old Laurel Line tourney would have seen non-conference matches of Freedom opponents... but they haven't played that in like a decade.  Just putting it out there.

CJ,

While Freedom League teams no longer participate in the Laurel Line, the Tournament is alive and well at Misericordia (the only team to play in every edition).

[ronk]

  Royals win 65-58; delete last scenario.