MBB: MAC Freedom League

cold_case · February 15, 2007, 09:48:39 PM

Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 15, 2007, 06:49:57 PMI don't like to talk about the refs after a loss, that seems soooo.... Scranton-esque.

Leo, I notice Scranton fans come on here when their team loses. You couldn't be found on this board after the Delaware Valley loss. Where were you? Out of town? Computer crashed?
One thing I did notice was that you were the first to post after King's won at Scranton with your WOW, WOW WOW'S.
You're a great sportsman.

BJ - DSU SID · February 16, 2007, 12:20:15 AM

Well the dust has settled and we are down to one Saturday with a full slate of games to find out who plays who, etc...

Here is the updated matrix before I start:
http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/2/6/HoopsMatrixM.pdf?path=mbball

What we do know:
- The four playoff teams are King's, Scranton, FDU-Florham and DeSales and that's pretty much it.

What we need to find out:
#1 seed
- King's gets it with a win over FDU-Florham on Saturday.
- Scranton gets it with a win over DeSales and a King's loss on Saturday.
- if King's, FDU-Florham and Scranton all finish at 10-4 (meaning a King's and Scranton loss on Saturday), then the seeding will be #1 (King's), #2 (FDU-Florham), #3 (Scranton), #4 DeSales.

#2 seed
- Scranton gets it with a win and a King's win. They'd be #1 with a win and a King's Loss.
- FDU gets it with a win and a Scranton Loss.
- King's gets it with a loss and a Scranton Win.

#3 seed
- Scranton's if the above scenario of King's, Scranton and FDU all finishing at 10-4.
- FDU's with a win and a Scranton win.
- DeSales gets it with a win and a King's win.

#4 seed
- Its either DeSales or FDU-Florham. DSU gets it with a loss. FDU gets it with a loss and DeSales win.

Basically there are lots of scenarios still out there as far as seeding goes. Its late, I am tired and I am sure I missed something. I either forgot one or I did my math wrong. So don't read this as the LAW on Freedom tiebreaking. If someone sees a possible mistake, bring it up and I'll try to verify it tomorrow in between my Friday workload.

Enjoy the next few month or so. We got basketball playoffs coming, March Madness just around the corner and we top it all off with the Masters in early April. I sure wish my local cable company could get me HD. I might never leave the recliner if that was the case.

Leo The Lion · February 16, 2007, 01:33:37 AM

Oh Cold Case,

Where do I start? First off, I did post briefly after the DelVal loss. What should I have said other than it was a fustrating loss. And for the Scranton win, you saw the second half of the game how else would you have liked me to start that post. Please, I'm open for suggestions on how to be a better poster.

ColonelJohn4Life · February 16, 2007, 01:45:53 AM

Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2007, 05:48:10 PM
Right because one foul makes a game..........

I cite one exception to that rule, King's at Wilkes, 2001. Worst-officiated game in the history of basketball. However, in the end, Wilkes was still only down two, 72-70. Jannuzzi lines up for the game winning three as time expires, and gets attacked by three Monarchs, and the shot rims out. Putting a 90% shooter on the line for 3 would have made the difference.

BJ - your work has been exceptional. Good job.

Lefty - did not know that about the Laurel Line... thanks.

lefty2 · February 16, 2007, 02:01:06 AM

QuoteLefty - did not know that about the Laurel Line... thanks.

CJ,
Stop by the Anderson Center next November - the Laurel Line is the season opener. Have a "Cougar Dog" on me.

cold_case · February 16, 2007, 08:00:18 AM

Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 16, 2007, 01:33:37 AM
Oh Cold Case,

Where do I start? First off, I did post briefly after the DelVal loss. What should I have said other than it was a fustrating loss. And for the Scranton win, you saw the second half of the game how else would you have liked me to start that post. Please, I'm open for suggestions on how to be a better poster.

Obviously reading comprehension is not your forte.' How you write your posts are your business. The gist of my post was based on your availability regarding wins and losses. I hinted that your timing is impeccable when it comes to those outcomes, that's all.

NEPAFAN · February 16, 2007, 09:19:37 AM

Good win for the Royals on the road, even though the let Lycoming crawl back into the game. From the sound of the game it was very physical and there were about 200 people in the building. Now a bigger test vs. Desales on the road....should be a very interesting Saturday.

Congrats to the voice of the royals who is getting married........rumor is it will be at halftime of the first home game next year

And LEO, what gives with the shot on the Royals whining about foul calls?

Leo The Lion · February 16, 2007, 10:28:24 AM

NepaFan

The shot on the Royals whining about fouls comes from two of their losses this year. "The worst officiated game in the world" at FDU this year and the much smaller uproar about the "obvious no call" at the end of the King's @ Scranton game.

CC,
I was on here Tuesday night after the Wilkes loss, unlike the DelVal loss, where it is difficult to comment after a game you didn't see.

NEPAFAN · February 16, 2007, 11:06:10 AM

Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 16, 2007, 10:28:24 AM
NepaFan

The shot on the Royals whining about fouls comes from two of their losses this year. "The worst officiated game in the world" at FDU this year and the much smaller uproar about the "obvious no call" at the end of the King's @ Scranton game.

CC,
I was on here Tuesday night after the Wilkes loss, unlike the DelVal loss, where it is difficult to comment after a game you didn't see.

Leo did you see the FDU game....did you see the difference in FT between the two teams?

saratoga · February 16, 2007, 11:46:50 AM

Leo: Let's start with the Kings game first. Please refer to my post the evening of the game, 1-31-07 @ 11:30pm. I state, "some missed free-throws by Kings gave the Royals 1 more chance & their last 3 by Randy Arnold fell short, although it really looked like he was hit on the release...no foul called. HOWEVER, the Royals certainly DID NOT lose the game on that no-call". A comment from a very NEUTRAL observer...none other than Mr.Naismith stated, "the no-call was ridiculous (happened right in front of me)". Now to my post where I did say the Scranton vs.FDU game WAS the WORST officiated game I have personally seen in 10 years. That comment was not made just for the sake of making excuses for the Royals...even in that game they had their chances to pull out a win in the closing minutes, rather...that statement was based on one very large & looming fact...FDU shot 40 free-throws, the Royals had 9 charity shots. You do the math. One more thing...when the Royals lost their first game with Kings, or the game with Catholic or their game with Susquehanna...there was not one single complaint by any Scranton fan about the officiating...the Royals lost, end of story. When the Royals played at Drew earlier this season I personally commented on how good those Jersey refs were...so it does go both ways...but, pathetic is pathetic & if you consider those two games & the few comments made as "whining" let's see the Royals play Kings for the title & let Scranton shoot 40 free-throws to your 9 & tell me what you think then.

Loyal One · February 16, 2007, 02:32:54 PM

Well said Toga. Looking forward to wrapping up the conference play and moving on to the first round!

cold_case · February 16, 2007, 03:03:08 PM

'toga has a fan club?

bziadie · February 16, 2007, 04:35:59 PM

NEPA,

I never said anywhere in that post that that call decided the game. Just said it was a bad call and the respone by the official was comical. If I would have meant to say the call would have cost the game I would have said it........

Fact is King's was outworked by Wilkes that night and for any King's player to think they did enough to win that game would be a total lack of accountability.

Toga, did your neutral observer say anything about what happened moments before that play? The part where Hawk rebounded the last missed King's shot and proceeded to call timeout when Scranton did not have any left - ala Chris Webber. The game official was standing 15 feet away, was looking right at the play, and did not have the stones to make the call since it was a close game. Should have been a "tech" and that mad scramble and subsequent shot never takes place.

We all see bad calls or non calls, it is an unfortunate part of the game.

Pat Coleman · February 16, 2007, 04:59:40 PM

Quote from: cold_case on February 16, 2007, 03:03:08 PM
'toga has a fan club?

You'd be surprised what they wear.

NEPAFAN · February 16, 2007, 05:06:09 PM

Quote from: bziadie on February 16, 2007, 04:35:59 PM
NEPA,

I never said anywhere in that post that that call decided the game. Just said it was a bad call and the respone by the official was comical. If I would have meant to say the call would have cost the game I would have said it........

Toga, did your neutral observer say anything about what happened moments before that play? The part where Hawk rebounded the last missed King's shot and proceeded to call timeout when Scranton did not have any left - ala Chris Webber. The game official was standing 15 feet away, was looking right at the play, and did not have the stones to make the call since it was a close game. Should have been a "tech" and that mad scramble and subsequent shot never takes place.

Okay you want to rip on the refs in the position you hold, fine by me but you should probably take a lesson from BJ and stick to matrices (matrixes) whatever..

I doubt Hawk called timeout or we would have heard about it earlier then now. Speaking of Hawk, he is due for a big game..