MBB: MAC Freedom League

[naismith]

More Jersey Jibberesh as the Madison Maulers Move EnMasse Making Marion  Morningline Mortal Lock for Maestro of the Millenium.

Accoding to the Debating PHD's of FDU, here are the criteria for winning COY:

1) If you are supposed to win and win............................................................................you lose
2) If you are supposed to win and do not win.................................................................you lose
3) If you are not supposed to win and you do not win....................................................you win
4)) If you are not supposed to win and you do win..........................................................you might win

Now, the correct answers are very simple: The winner should come from scenario #1 or #4.

But....the Garden State Groupies groveling and grudingly genuflecting for genuine postseason awards......have anointed #3 and only #3 as their criteria.

With their rationale,  if you were expected to flunk a course and got a D, you would then be "Student of the Year"....lol
And, God forbid, you get a C, they might erect a Monument in Madison......

Naismith



Naismtih

[bill]

Naismith

While I don't have a PHd, I'm not sure I follow your arguement.

Please re-read my post. Your #1 criteria "1) If you are supposed to win and win.................................... ....................................... .you lose"
I wrote that "OK, good job - but you've been in the top two for the last 3 years, as you pointed out. You've maintained your place at the top, which is not easy to do. " - of course it's possible to win COY from this criteria. Most years will not have a turn-around story like FDU's this year. Those years, criteria #1 wins out more often than not.

Your #3 criteria "3) If you are not supposed to win and you do not win.................................... ................you win"
is not relevant here. FDU was not supposed to win and won. How did we "have anointed #3 and only #3 as their criteria." ?

Yes, you are correct in stating "Now, the correct answers are very simple: The winner should come from scenario #1 or #4."

I'm not sure how we are really disagreeing....

[saratoga]

On another topic...word has it that Coach Bessoir will be seen sporting a fire-engine red tux at the Kings/FDU game... it's from his Towering Inferno collection.

[cold_case]

Nais and Bill,
Relax. I've been following this part of the MAC (Northeast and now Freedom) section since the early 1970's. Over that lengthy period, the most unusual things have happened, mostly in all-star and other award selections. I'm not sure when the league will release its latest version but it's a good bet what I posted regarding all the above will probably be as close to accurate as can be.
Besides, Marion has to be COY. From being ranked eighth is pre-season to a four and playoff team speaks volumes. That may be the only choice that makes sense.

[cold_case]

By the way, the Landmark Conference board is officially up and running.

[ColonelJohn4Life]

On another topic...word has it that Coach Bessoir will be seen sporting a fire-engine red tux at the Kings/FDU game... it's from his Towering Inferno collection.

'Toga - honest question.  Who does Bess root for these days, JP's Kings squad or Scranton?  Or is it almost equal for him at this point?

And CC - already on top of the Landmine board.

[NEPAFAN]

On another topic...word has it that Coach Bessoir will be seen sporting a fire-engine red tux at the Kings/FDU game... it's from his Towering Inferno collection.

'Toga - honest question.  Who does Bess root for these days, JP's Kings squad or Scranton?  Or is it almost equal for him at this point?

It saddens me that we even need to ask this question.


As for tonight I like Scranton by 3-5 points...and although I would love the last Freedom game to be at the Long Center... I like Kings by 10-12 pts

[Leo The Lion]

Nepa,

What should sadden you even more is the answer.  Bess is seen at Scandlon quite often these days.
By the way, when are the postseson awards coming out?  Are they waiting till after the playoffs?

[cold_case]

By the way, when are the postseson awards coming out?  Are they waiting till after the playoffs?

Sometime this week, possibly today.

[NEPAFAN]

Nepa,

What should sadden you even more is the answer.  Bess is seen at Scandlon quite often these days.
By the way, when are the postseson awards coming out?  Are they waiting till after the playoffs?

Doesn't he know where his bread is buttered? 

[NEPAFAN]

Just a guess but for what it's worth, here are my postseason all-star units and awards. By the way, I studied everything closely and with Scranton leaving the Freedom, I look for their players to get the short end. Maybe it's paranoia, maybe not.

First team
Emslie, Stricker, Bicknell, Arnold and Cousart
Second team
Pickney, Lopez, Sye, Schmitt and Scalzo. Soboleski should get named as well.

Rookie of the Year: Kresge of Wilkes
Coach of the Year: Marion of FDU
Player of the Year: My guess is that Emslie will get it over Stricker and Bicknell.

Call it a hunch, but the Freedom is so messed up, I'd bet the ranch this is how the voting goes down.

The 2007 all-Freedom Conference teams and award recipients are as follows:

            1st-Team
           Jamie Cousart – King's College
            Phil Stricker – DeSales University
            Tom Bicknell – The University of Scranton
            Frank Emslie – FDU-Florham
            Randy Arnold – The University of Scranton       

            2nd-Team
            Greg Sye – Lycoming College
            Vince Scalzo – King's College
            Isaiah Pickney – Delaware Valley College
            Pierre Schmitt – FDU-Florham
            Chris Lopez – Drew University

            Player of the Year:  Frank Emslie – FDU-Florham
            Rookie of the Year:  Tom Kresge – Wilkes University
            Coach of the Year:  Peter Marion – FDU-Florham

[Leo The Lion]

Doesn't he know where his bread is buttered? 

I often wonder that question myself.


Begrudgingly, I congratulate CC on his Carnac like predictions on this years postseason awards.

[cold_case]

Your begrudges accepted.
It really wasn't hard to figure out. No Dwebeng, Morris, Fitzpatrick and I'm not shocked.
What's really sad is that Emslie wasn't even listed as a candidate for POY.
Just think, these are adults that are supposed to be setting examples for the kids.

[bziadie]

He Carnac Cold Case,

Nice job but you said Soboleski as well.........

Regarding your comment about Emslie, he may not have been on the original ballot that gets sent out as a proof for coaches to look at and make sure their nomination info is correct.  But he was on the final one as there are no write-in votes permitted.

[saratoga]

CJ: Who do I feel Bess roots for these days? Kings. Do I know that for sure, no. Will I ever ask him, no. But, there have been nights when both the Royals & Kings have been home & he's chosen "that other place" to catch a game. On the other hand, he still does go to Royal games & he's still pretty close to Canio so who knows? Being the Renaissance man he is...maybe he loves any basketball game just for the artistic quality. Should be a very physical one tonight at the Long Center. Royals:67/Desales:62.