MBB: MAC Freedom League

[saratoga]

CJ: I'm afraid what puts people in the seats these days are wins...not the name of the school on the jersey. If these various moves fall into place, Scranton/Kings & or Wilkes could still play...just in a somewhat surreal non-conference, non life & death early season type game. Back in the early 90's when the Royals were still in the hunt for a Nat'l. championship with each team Bess assembled, I can remember close to 3,000 fans jammed into the Long Center for games against Del.Val. & FDU...it didn't matter who the Royals were playing...what mattered was they were playing & at home.

[saratoga]

And by the way, I'll believe this move when I hear it first-hand...it's been discussed & disected for so long I really ignore it most of the time.

[Coach C]

WT et al -

The MAC will survive, but it will likely have an even lowlier palce in the D3 pantheon of conferences after the restructurings occur. 

I would not be surprised to see a NE PA dominated conference with a few of the school from mid-state making a drive.

C

[Warren Thompson]

WT et al -

I would not be surprised to see a NE PA dominated conference with a few of the school from mid-state making a drive.

C

Could you expand on your comment above?

[cold_case]

Warren "Throwin' Samoan" Thompson, are you the moderator of this board?

[ronk]

   Right now, bball wise, it would be a stronger conference; all the titles and ncaa appearances still remain with the remaining members; the four leaving had none of either.

[Coach C]

Well, Wilkes, Scranton, and Kings have a huge interest in staying together just on the travel and local rivalries front, although I have heard form interest about Scranton moving to the Centennial.  I think these three schools stay with the MAC.  Would Keystone or Miseri add football to get into the MAC?  There have been rumors, but I will believe it when I see it.

Etown wants to improve its academic perception and thinks that Centennial membership will help that.  There have been noises about Leb Vall wanting Centennial membership too, but I am doubtful.  Del Val, Widener, Albright and Lyco are staying put.  Each school has a somewhat third-tier academic reputation (old-timers will tell you it was these four schools the Centennial presidents were running from they set the Centennial up.)

The PA MAC schools know they need a requisite number for football, but would love to be able to do it without some of the NJ schools.

Lincoln and Wesley want in to the MAC in a pretty desperate way, but the MAC presidents have academic issues with each, plus travel issues with Wesley.

DeSales is in a weird spot, no football and seemingly a better fit for the PAC conference it left for the MAC, but with no desire to go "back" to the PAC. 

Just what I have gathered along the road.

C

[Warren Thompson]

C:

Thanks for "expanding."

[Coach C]

WT -

No problem. Any thoughts?  Heard anything about LVC?

C

[Warren Thompson]

WT -

No problem. Any thoughts?  Heard anything about LVC?

C

The last I heard (several weeks ago), the Valley was remaining in the MAC. I've not heard of any recent aspirations to join the Centennial, but when the latter was formed 20-plus years ago, LVC wanted in but was summarily rejected. The rebuff engendered a bit of ill-will between LVC's president and the newly-anointed MAC prexies who voted against accepting the Dutchmen.

[Coach C]

WT -

Ok so you heard the same things that made me doubtful about LVC and the Centennial.

C

[ronk]

C,
     thanks also for the particulars on conference transitions.

Warren,

  How could the newly-appointed Mac prexies vote against LVC joining the Centennial of which they weren't members?

     ronk

[Warren Thompson]

Warren,

  How could the newly-appointed Mac prexies vote against LVC joining the Centennial of which they weren't members?

ronk:

On further review, my point could have been clearer. That is, LVC's bid to enter the Centennial was rejected by the presidents of the other MAC venues that eventually formed the Centennial.

[ColonelJohn4Life]

Warren,

LebVal can't leave the MAC.  Where would we put our website and stats??

[Coach C]

WT -

I knew what you meant despite your tortured use of the language.

C