MBB: MAC Freedom League

[kate]

Howdy, Saratoga - please refer to the front page of the Aggie website - they've been named to the Princeton Review for 2011.  Scroll down - it's at the bottom.

[ljk]

I picked 6 for my first team Freedom Conference.  Jones, Beckett, Johnson, Eichorst, Conroy, and Hunter.  POY=Jones.  ROY=Hammonds.  COY=Coval over Stitzel in tight one.

[Warren Thompson]

How many teams in the MAC have won National Championships on the mens side? Answer: zero.
How many have been won by Landmark members? Answer: three. Two by Scranton, one by Catholic.

In 1993-94, the national champion was MAC member Lebanon Valley College. As well, when Scranton won its two national championships, it was a member of the MAC.

[cold_case]

BJ Matrix: Relax a little. Let's face it, it's only been the last 3 years since Desales even made the NCAA tourney. Yes, they've certainly had a couple of nice runs... but, before that the ECAC tournament was commonly referred to as the Desales Invitational.
How many teams in the MAC have won National Championships on the mens side? Answer: zero.
How many have been won by Landmark members? Answer: three. Two by Scranton, one by Catholic.
One other quick question...how many MAC members are listed as one of the "373 Best Colleges in America" by the Princeton Review? Answer: zero.
How many of the Landmark schools are listed by that same publication? Answer: All eight.
Right now you are having a real nice run, enjoy it. But, don't bring up a history of a whopping two years.  For as the great Lord Mountbatten said, "history is not to be judged by the the single victory of a static army at a stationary point in time but, rather, by the collection of triumphs over decades that will lead us to a better tomorrow".
Translation...the MAC will be playing catch up for quite some time...and not only on the court. Enjoy what the kids are accomplishing & roll with it but don't base short term success as anything more than just that.

Something smells, oh, it's VALIDITY?  

[Pat Coleman]

As well, when Scranton won its two national championships, it was a member of the MAC.

Very true, though it doesn't speak to cold case's hypothesis of the MAC Freedom slipping.

[kate]

Ah, Warren, you can take the teams out of the MAC, but you can never take the MAC out of the teams!  

[Warren Thompson]

As well, when Scranton won its two national championships, it was a member of the MAC.

Very true, though it doesn't speak to cold case's hypothesis of the MAC Freedom slipping.

Perhaps the "slippage" is more a matter of increased parity. (Since I'm a MAC Commonwealth fan, I don't live and breathe MAC Freedom issues.  )

[kate]

What's up with that, Warren?     You are so right about the MAC parity.  It's great, but no matter who goes to the dance - GO MAC!!!

[BJ - DSU SID]

I am not really interested in getting into a shouting match with anyone.

I just have a problem with people who come on this board and bad mouth DeSales in particular and at times the Freedom Conference.  Mostly I can only speak for DeSales, since I know the most about them.

I don't have the time to go thru my history of 200+ posts, but I don't ever recall blasting another institution or Conference.  If I did I apologize.  I generally just speak about DeSales, defend DeSales, or post information (IE the Matrix) for any interested readers to get a small inside glimpse on the conference during that particular season.

Some of you come on here and just bad mouth others and a lot of times do it without knowing anything or very little about that particular institution.  And rarely have positive to things to say about much of anything.

And most of you do it with a hidden identity.  Meanwhile I make no secret as to who I am.

Congrats Toga on all your Landmark teams successes.  You referenced some impressive stats.  Hopefully DeSales will be able to boast some of those same accomplishments (maybe they already do, but I don't have time to look up Princeton's Review) someday.  Keep in mind we are an institution that just recently celebrated its 45th birthday.  I believe Scranton and Catholic (since those were the two examples you used) were each founded in the late 1800's.  So when DeSales has 120+ years of existence and all the things that come with it...we can compare the 2010-11 Scranton/Catholic numbers with the DeSales numbers.

Until then we'll just do our best to continue to grow and approach your level of wonderfulness.

[kate]

Beautifully stated, BJ!  Isn't it a fact, that the more insecure someone is, the more they feel the need to brag & ridicule?  Don't know if that's the case here, but it definitely brings out the worst in me.  We care enough about each other, that we root each other on.  (Especially when our own team - Aggie women are finished  ).  Anyway, thank you for that wonderful response.  Hope to meet you Wed. night at the Lady Bulldog/King's game.  We'll be following the Aggie Men on live stats.  What a night!

[kate]

Freedom Conference:  James Jones:  POY:  Casey Stitzel:  COY:  and Jeremy Beckett:  Second Team.  Congratulations to the Delaware Valley College Mens Basketball Team!

[ColonelJohn4Life]

A Warren Thompson sighting, wow!  Thanks for straightening us out here.  Carpetbaggers from the Landmark who (a) ignore the history of the conference itself (4 years, no Final Fours, no Titles) yet (b) take credit for any achievement by then-MAC schools from before the advent of the conference... ehh, it's irritating.  Go ahead and tell me the MAC-Freedom can't produce solid academics, and I'll smack you upside the head with my doctorate and most recent W-2.  Damn Landmark bullies - go back to your own board.  And Scranton still sucks.

That reminds me - BJ, since we're here, what time should I be there on Saturday? You have a time published yet, or are you waiting for the outcome of the women's game?

So... Del Val really has the player of the year, the coach of the year, and has beaten Wilkes twice this season.  And Wilkes has to go on the road and play Del Val at their place? Excellent.  Game on!

[lefty2]

That reminds me - BJ, since we're here, what time should I be there on Saturday? You have a time published yet, or are you waiting for the outcome of the women's game?

Perhaps he's waiting for the outcome of the men's games.

[BJ - DSU SID]

CJ...as a habit I do my very best to never get ahead of myself.  Assuming a DeSales/Wilkes win tonight I think would be the very definition of getting ahead of myself.

But don't worry...if the outcomes tonight are Bulldog/Colonel favorable I'll be sure to have that game time for you before your head hits the pillow.

Safe travels to Doylestown for you this evening.

[NEPAFAN]

Classy post CJ. You put up your W2 first.