MBB: MAC Freedom League

[chairman]

DeSales is in the playoffs. It is too late to do mathematical elimination problems, but with four teams with seven losses or more, I think M-ville is all but in. Big win for the Eagles tonight at Alvernia.
Nais- Jones is listed as a sophomore on the DeSales website. Is he in his first year of college ball? Is he eligible for ROY?
I have not seen the Aggies play, but they seem to be hot right now.

[kate]

As listed by the Del Val media guide, James Jones is a transfer from Widener.

[chairman]

Thanks. As I said, I have not seen Del Val play, but I have heard that they are a very talented young group. I was a little surprises that I had not heard Jones' name in the ROY conversation until last night, now I know there is a good reason why he has not been in that discussion.

[PBR...]

Just a few notes going forward:

Delaware Valley nosily (not quietly) creeping into the conference playoff race. Making a statement with a big win over DeSales and 2 recent W's. The Wilkes (on the road) win may prove pivotal.
Saw the game and the Aggies are talented. Quickness and speed to spare. They recover quickly on defense and are tenacious. James Jones has risen to the head of the Rookie class. He may very well be the best individual talent in the conference (plenty of debate there I am sure). He can stick the jumper, penetrate and score inside. A complete offensive package.

Plenty of help from Seipt who has improved each year he has played.
Mayo can rebound and score....very physical for his size.
Williams has serious ups and plays much taller then listed height.

Add in a bench of contributors who shoot pretty well and are active......
I see a lot of freshman and sophomores on this roster......
A program that is totally turning around.
Excellent coaching

A potential conference finalist.

As to the rest, I am watching it all sort itself out. Appears the top 2 are pretty secure. Kings is much better than the 1-9 but they are a 2010 story at this point. The other 6 vie for 3 spots.
Today and Sat may make for some clarity or simply cloud things further.

I'll be taking in a local game---Kings-Miseri on North Main St.  Maybe Senunas for some chile or that great homemade chicken noodle.

Naismith

dvc's new head coach deserves a ton of credit. he is young and energetic and an excellent coach. took awhile for the players to get comfortable in his system but they are improving each game. dvc should only get stronger as the season wears on, am really looking forward to see how this team finishes and the future.

[MR. PAC]

What is the tiebreaker. Is it right that the head to head results against common non conference opponents, comes before how you did against the conference starting with 1,2,3 etc.

[ronk]

   I think it's head-head between conference(not nonconference) opponents in nonconference games as in a holiday tournament or if u felt like scheduling a 3rd game.

[chairman]

I steal BJ's matrix link to give you tie breakers. Non-conference comes only after all the in league options (with the exception of point differential scenarios) are exhausted. Ronk is correct. That third tie-breaker is really a strange one in that it hardly ever comes into play, but I guess it makes sense to keep it there because it is a head to head scenario, which is a better tie-breaker than league top down and non-league common site and all those. But it really just hardly ever happens.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/MHoopsMatrix.pdf

[BJ - DSU SID]

Mr. PAC - welcome to the Freedom (MAC).

I'll save you the trouble of clicking on the matrix and paste the tiebreakers here for you.

Tiebreakers: Consult www.mascac.org for rules on breaking ties using these guidelines
1 - Head-to-Head results between and among the tied teams in Conference games.
2 - Head-to-Head results between and among the tied teams in non-conference games.
3 - Tied teams' won-loss records vs. conference teams in conference games starting with #1, #2, etc.
4 - Winning percentage in away conference games
5 - Head-to-Head results against common non-conference opponents, same site
6 - Head-to-Head results against common non-conference opponents, different sites.
7 - Score differential between and among tied teams with a maximum of 15 points for winning team
8 - Tied teams' point differential in conference games starting with #1, #2, etc, (15 points maximum)

As the Chairman pointed out...#2 rarely happens.  In fact I've never seen it happen. 

Speaking of the chairman...Mr. PAC makes your karma look really, really, really good.

[chairman]

I'm telling you. there are some real haters in that room. 

Seriously though. I was trying to figure out magic numbers and my head just about exploded. What I can say with certainty is that nine wins puts a team in the playoffs. I think the five seed will be 8-8, but that is just conjecture. With three home games and five to play, I think the Valiants are strong favorite for a top two spot. They would have to have the wheels come off a bit and even then, I don't know that anyone can catch them. Even if they go 2-3, one of the six loss teams would have to win out or Eastern would have to go 3-1 (with a win over DeSales).

Saturday will either lend a lot of clarity or it will assure that no one will know anything until the final day of the year.

[ronk]

   What strange thing that almost happened within the last 10 years was that going into the final week of the season a 5-way tie for 1st place @ 9-5 was possible; this would have meant that the number 5 team(after the 7th or 8th tiebreaker) would be eliminated from being in the conference tournament and losing out for competing for the NCAA AQ. It didn't happen that way, but almost.
   So keep that tiebreaker handy.

[chairman]

Look at the Commonwealth. Yikes.

[naismith]

My mistake on James Jones.
A Super Soph  indeed and a Player of the Year candidate

Kings dismantled Miseri last nite.  The Monarchs shot the ball extremely well taking big advantage of the Cougar zone D.
Conroy continues to impress as does Vinny B for the Miz.

Kings can really shoot from the perimeter and have a powerful post player in Conroy.
Last night, they 'finished' the game which was an early season problem.

Wouldn't take them lightly if I was an opponent. JP has this team playing hard.

Checked the Wilkes-Desales recap and box----------Good thing the Colonels don't drag race.  0-14 in 10 minutes!   Where's Joe Amato when you need him??   
The Colonel "O" needs an overhaul. Maybe they should go to Pep Boys and recharge the batteries. If it takes a new trannie and spark plugs so be it.  Then, over to Jiffy Lube for some new filters and an oil change.............A little wax and polish at the Car Wash....then fiiler up with some Hi-Test.

Hopefully, this will stop the hesitation, help them shift gears more smoothly, increase acceleration and have them hitting on all cylinders.

Naismith

[mailsy]

I'm telling you. there are some real haters in that room. 

Seriously though. I was trying to figure out magic numbers and my head just about exploded. What I can say with certainty is that nine wins puts a team in the playoffs. I think the five seed will be 8-8, but that is just conjecture. With three home games and five to play, I think the Valiants are strong favorite for a top two spot. They would have to have the wheels come off a bit and even then, I don't know that anyone can catch them. Even if they go 2-3, one of the six loss teams would have to win out or Eastern would have to go 3-1 (with a win over DeSales).

Saturday will either lend a lot of clarity or it will assure that no one will know anything until the final day of the year.

Chairman since it's no longer the PAC, the CSAC board is a little "nicer".  Mainly because most of the people on that board don't have the requisite posts to even give or take karma.   

[chizwiz]

Hello everyone.  I've enjoyed reading the Freedom forum pages.

I'm interested in some more discussion on ROY's in the conference.  Here are some guys I think should get some attention:
FDU - Katz
DelVal - Mayo, Williams
Kings - Stackhouse
EU - Tucker, Soaries

And, I think Tucker leads this list with probably nobody coming close.

[mid-range j]

Trevoy Pointer.  Look it up.