MBB: MAC Freedom League

[cold_case]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

And in your case, the mind is a terrible thing!!

[Leo The Lion]

So I'm glad that this Lincoln uproar has helpped mask DeSales' trouncing of King's this weekend.  The Monarchs were beaten in every aspects, and now have a battle with BBC (fresh off last year's upset). 

Based on the early returns it appears that the Big 3 are still trying find a groove, and DeSales may be better than expected.

[saratoga]

wb1313: Our posts really are in the spirt of busting on each other & I agree that we would never create the hostility that Wilburt has so neatly twisted into play. Busting each other is one thing, creating an envirnment based on outright personal bias is just plain wrong. I've read each & every post since Wilburt started trolling and there are no racial overtones directed at either Lincoln Univ. or its coach. What has been stated and so rightfully so that the AD of Lincoln has addressed the situation...is that the coach(small c) of Lincoln was totally out of line in his abhorrant abuse of those young players and demonstrated an immense amount of immaturity and horrible judgement. That, my dear Wilburt would have been both disgusting and discussed whether this coach was black, white or purple(had to get that in). I'm with you on this wb.

[ColonelJohn4Life]

When did it become legal to use the word asshole in a post?  Last time I tried that, all I got were seven red dots.  At least one good thing came from this "discussion."

Leo - DeSales scares me.  Until February.  They have more regular season wins than Peyton Manning, and just as many rings.  (Hi, Cold_Case.  How are you tonight?)

Willlll-burt, I'm not sure what you and Mr. Ed do to pass the time, but, whatever...

[AndOne]

The fact that you stooped low is enough for me, MinusOne

What are you talking about?  Racist overtones from me?  I'm not allowed to criticize a HBCU over what 99% of America felt was out of control and unsportsmanlike.  If that is the criteria for being a racist then fine...you got me...(sarcasm)

Wilburt, your lack of knowledge and understanding astounds me and the fact that you use childish antics such as copy the first four words of a sentence to attempt a lame joke is pathetic. 

I'm beyond wanting to rip you apart through witty conversation.  The realization that i'd be going up against someone with a lower IQ than the coach at Lincoln makes me fully believe that you're not worth my time.  Goodbye!

Please post the "racist overtones" used in any post on this board...

Wilbur----

I am going to summarize things and then I'm done with you. Its not worth any more space & time.

* That Lincoln U, & especially its coach, displayed a lack of judgement, leadership,
    sportsmanship, and even common decency is NOT open to question. If you don't
    want to believe me, review all the posts both here and in Bumblin' B's. The vast
    majority of them support this fact.

* That Lincoln's actions were/are indefensible is evidenced by, amomg other things,
   the fact that the Lincoln AD issued a public apology, and even your perhaps
   closest ally, njlincolnlion apoligized on behalf of Lincoln in his post of 11:20:45
   on 12/3/06.

* NOBODY---myself, Cold Case, wb1313, NEPAFAN, or anyone else EVER introduced
   race in any way, shape, or form into the discussion of Lincoln's abhorant behavior
   While I DID describe their play as "like gangsters," I made it a point
   to explain my meaning by indicating I meant that it didn't seen like enough to get
   OSUM down, but then they also had to beat & kick them after they were down by
   scoring 70 more than OSUM in the 2nd 1/2 after they already led by 53 at halftime

*  YOU in fact interjected race into the discussion by adding the attachment
    concerning the racial incident (http://www.blackathlete.net/artman/publish/
    article_02335.shtml) into one of your early posts.

* YOU further attempted to inflame the issue in one of your replies to me in which
   you stated that I used the word "gangsta" (rather than gangsters as above)
   You changed what I said to feebily attempt to support your race based argument

*  We learn as kids that when a group of people is gathered the one who shouts
    "Who farted" is usually the one who did it. I think most of us also know that in a
     discussion on any subject, the one who first plays the race card and attempts
     to label the opposition's arguments as racist is usually the one who has the
     biggest problem relating to members of the opposite race, and in fact, is
     probably the most racist of the group.

*  As you have done now a couple of times, I would expect you to give me another
    negative Karma point.

Goodbye Wil. Take care, and good luck in life. As I can't give Karma points yet, I'll just close by returning the  you gave me along with the minus Karma at the top
of this post. I hope its as good for you as it was for me. 

[ColonelJohn4Life]

Nicely said.  I awarded you, PlusOne. 

[adam]

Before I say anything on this nonsense and return to the board via popular demand (Matt L, wb1313), I am waiting to see a post on this from the voice of reason, Warren Thompson.

[Gregory Sager]

Warren's been very quiet lately. No sign of him anywhere on Posting Up for at least a month now. I'm a little worried. I hope he's alright.

[NEPAFAN]

Lycoming at Lafayette tonight.


and chance it is on ESPN PLUS?


Where is William Wallace?

[AndOne]

William Wallace led the fight for Scottish independence from the British beginning in 1297. However, he was captured & executed in 1305. 

[NEPAFAN]

William Wallace led the fight for Scottish independence from the British beginning in 1297. However, he was captured & executed in 1305. 

Also the only Lyco fan to ever "post up"

[adam]

Ditto on Warren, hope he's OK or moved to Florida like most people his age (Sorry Gramps, couldn't resist  )

Freedom League Survivor brings back a whole host of memories, those were the days.

As far as the Lincoln situation is concerned, I will throw in my two cents which are probably different than anyone else on the board.  I will say that I could care less about Lincoln and could take them or leave them, I am and have always been a Wilkes supporter.
With that in mind, if Lincoln was doing that to Wilkes and I was in attendance and the thought of a 100 point victory or, heavens forbid, 200 points on the board was a possibility, I'd be all for it.  The attendance at the game was listed I think at 31 and those are 31 people who saw something that nobody else will probably see in the history of basketball in just about any division.  No apologies needed from Lincoln, I think that's friggin amazing and wish I could've seen it.  The six kids from the other team are also part of history, granted the losing end, but they are there.  The thought of Lincoln running up the score was the last thing on my mind when I read the report.  Awesome feat that will most likely never be duplicated.
Be that as it may, that doesn't mean I support anyone supporting Lincoln who has posted on here.  I have not read the arguments and attacks back and forth nor do I care.  Let's get back to the basics in this room, nonsensical digs at Scranton, King's and Wilkes back and forth.

[cold_case]

Speaking of nonsensical, I waited until the dust settled on this entire Scranton to the Landmark deal and felt it was time to give my thoughts.
I think what many fans fail to realize, or at least, are unaware of, is that this conference divide started with football and there has been a huge trickle down affect that has more to do with being aligned with "like-minded institutions".
When Moravian and Juniata first announced they were leaving the MAC in football to join the Centennial Conference, shortly thereafter Susquehanna was invited to join the Liberty League in football. The whole "stigma" that these schools were leaving the MAC to join better academic conferences quickly began a trickle-down affect.
The affect was that some of the remaining schools in the MAC felt that by other schools leaving the MAC, even if it was initially for football only, was a reflection on them. With the public perception being that these schools were saying that the MAC was not good enough academically, administrators now had to do something that they felt was necessary to save face and take away the appearance that their respective school was not one of those schools the other colleges were trying to get away from.
On the surface you had a few schools leaving for football and the public perception is "we are better academically than you". Well now you have other schools saying, "yeah, I understand that is what they are saying, but they were not talking about us, they were talking about those other leftover MAC schools, not our college."
So in order to remove themselves from the perception of inclusion with the rest of the MAC schools, some looked to leave the conference for the simple reason that they felt they needed to save face. Some (not all), quite frankly, have taken a beating in the MAC in most sports so their chances for some of their teams to become more successful was part of the decision-making process. It was as if some administrators panicked and felt they "had" to do something to save their academic reputations. There were also other schools that looked to leave but did not get invited.
The thing that makes Scranton's move the most puzzling is that Scranton does indeed have a fine academic reputation and most of their teams are very competitive. Their reputations in both academics and athletics were built in the MAC so how would their reputation be hurt by remaining in the MAC? Does anyone with half a brain to think that Scranton would be looked at as a lesser academic institution had they remained in the MAC? I don't think so. Does anyone think that Scranton was leaving because they were unable to compete? I don't believe that either.
One thing that is especially disturbing regarding Scranton's move is the University of  Scranton President Reverend Scott Pilarz had several conversations with the presidents from Wilkes (Dr. Tim Gilmore) and King's president (Rev. Tom O'Hara) when rumors popped up over the course of the last year and every single time the Scranton Presdient said that Scranton was fully committed to the MAC and had no plans to leave. The most recent conversation he had with at least one of the two Wilkes-Barre college presidents was a week before Scranton made its announcement.
MAC schools that refuse to schedule Scranton in the future are not proving that they made the right move, they just may not be interested in competing against an institution that lies and is selfish as Scranton.
I had a chance to speak briefly with a Freedom League coach a couple of weeks back (no, it wasn't a local coach), and he told me that Scranton really stuck it to the rest of the league.
Enough said!

[Section J Guy]

I still have to digest Cold Case's post....in the meantime...

Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total
Clarkson......................   19   19  -   38
University of Scranton........   24   38  -   62

[ColonelJohn4Life]

C_C, way to back up your opinion with facts.  I'm impressed.  Just goes back to the original point - why would Scranton want to leave the MAC?  Is the marginal benefit of playing Catholic twice a year worth sacrficing natural rivalries and, literally, decades of history?  While the Scranton - Wilkes rivalry is "down" from its peak, note that those two teams played the most recent MAC-F Title game, decided by 1 point.

Wallace, last I checked, after a record 13 semesters at Lycoming, finally graduated.  Upon graduation, like most, he let go of the message board here.

For the record, in my original post ripping Scranton's break from the conference, I made a joke about how DeSales doesn't have any fans.  One would think, after a 30-point throttling of King's, that ONE DeSales fan would post up.  Nope.  I propose a new theory.  DeSales has at least 6 fans.  They just can't figure out these gosh-darn computers and that new-fangled Intra-Net.  CS 101 at DeSales is turning a computer on.  A BS degree if you can play Solitaire.