MBB: MAC Freedom League

[Leo The Lion]

Just listened to a nice Monarchs W on the webstream of Wilkes Radio.  So correct me if I'm wrong, if the Monarchs and M'Ville win out, King's will be the two seed.  Just did a quick scan of the schedules and it looks like it would go to King's, but someone clear me up if I'm wrong. 

Anyway to add the discussion 2007 MAC Championship Game > 2005 MAC Championship Game.  I'm obviously biased but the one thing I'll remember for 2007 is the entire gym rising to its feet and giving the standing O to both teams during the final Timeout with 16 or so seconds left.  Don't get me wrong 2005 was intense as ever, especially with both student sections, but I'm giving the nod to 2007.  I do like Bilera though, even though I've said some mean things in the past, I loved that refular season game in 2006 when the DSU student section gave the 15 North Crew a welcome... clever, clever stuff.

Well, I hope JP has enough mouse traps to hang from the ceiling for practice tomorrow. (Yeah, I'm calling DVC a trap game even though they have no conference wins).  I've got to go start printing out my Soboleski 4 MVP t-shirts.

[BJ - DSU SID]

Leo,

Good call on the standing ovation in '07...I remember that too and it was a very cool moment.

As far as if MVille and King's win on Saturday, then King's would be #2...I have been going every possible scenario for the last few hours and will try to confirm with the MAC office tomorrow what exactly would be the seeding.  I think I have it figured out but don't want to announce anything prematurely.

BJ

[wb1313]

Del Val is not a trap game, it's more along the lines of playing against a high school team.  If King's loses i'll be very, very surprised!   The bigger ripoff last week was in the Georgetown/Villanova game..great officiating there!     Plus, the coach from Rutgers deserves the karma. 

I think Wilkes is better off going on the road to face Desales in the first round.  All the cliches, "it's hard to beat a team 3 teams" blah blah blah and all.  Plus, I really think they do match up with Desales semi-well despite the 2 losses.  All that said...I don't think it matters because I fully believe JP has King's on a mission now...uggh!   At least it's not Scranton!!!!

CJ...I will let all references toward that prom go...well until March Madness

[bench_legend]

..nothing like Martz Madness...  umm oh yea, March. 

Just had to get a post in for old times sake and check up on the conference.  Sounds like things are certainly geting exciting.

[ljk]

Kings on a roll, at the right time, winning its 6 in a row against Wilkes.  Wilkes had no answer for Big John Soboleski, as he continues his run for all conf and MVP honors.  (27pts-10rebs), (10-15 from field, 7-10 fts).  I noticed he played without knee brace, has he played that way for awhile now?   He was way too strong down in the paint for Wilkes defenders.   Kings put their taller guards on Wilkes guards and shut them down.  Arcadia did the same thing to DeRojas in that game.  Wilkes came out in a zone, packing in on Sobo, and forcing Kings to shoot from outside.  It worked for awhile as Kings was misfiring from downtown.  Turnovers and bad shot selection killed the Colonels.  Kings depth was also big advantage over Wilkes.  Welsh of Kings delivered the dagger once again as he picked up a loose ball from floor and drilled a 3 with out even a dribble.  In one of my earlier posts, I thought that Wilkes looked like a .500 team and they are sitting at 12-11.  This is the 2nd year in a row with that record.   What are we going to do Col.?  Has the Wizard lost some of his wizardry?  You are right on about DeFeo, Col., he is tall !

[ColonelJohn4Life]

Uh oh.

In one night, Wilkes goes from looking for a season sweep over King's to looking at the scoreboard on Saturday.  And that Arcadia win over DeSales made the playoff picture unnecessarily messy.  The standings look like this:

1. DeSales 9-3, in the clubhouse with the lead
2. King's 8-3 (hosting winless Del Val)
2. Manhattanville 8-3 (hosting Arcadia)
4. Wilkes 6-5 (playing FDU)
4. Arcadia 6-5 (playing Manhattanville)

I don't really care right now who finishes 1, 2, or 3, so I'll leave those tie-breakers to those who do such things.     As far as the 4 seed, it starts with head-to-head, which they split.  Then record against the #1 team, #2 team, and so on.  Wilkes and Arcadia both split with DeSales, Wilkes has a win over King's and Arcadia doesn't.  And an Arcadia win over Manhattanville eliminates them from the tie-breaker discussion.  Wilkes has every conceivable tie-breaker.  Win and they're in.  I think.

... I'm still trying to figure out what DeRojas said to get Teed up.  It amused me that every teammate had the exact same reaction.  Shrugged shoulders and a bewildered look...

...And when was the last time a home team took 2 technical fouls in one game?  I've seen road teams get teed up twice. Like Wilkes at King's '03.  But never a home team.

BJ - I'd love to see ya up at your place on Wednesday night.  Enjoy the clubhouse lead.

Bench Legend - welcome back.  If you have any eligibility left... nah, nevermind. 

[DSU Backer]

CJ,

Actually, DeSales swept the season series with Wilkes and split with Arcadia.  Kings swept Arcadia and split with Wilkes.  In the event of a tie between Wilkes and Arcadia, I believe the tie breaker would be who gets the number 1 seed, Kings or DeSales.  In the event of a tie between Kings and DeSales, I think the tie breaker is who gets the #4 seed, Wilkes or Arcadia.  Both Kings and DeSales split with Manhattenville and split head to head.  So let me ask the proverbial question, which came first, the chicken or the egg.  I don't know about everyone else, but this is clear as mud to me.  I think we both want Wilkes and Manhattenville to win on Saturday.  I think that would give DeSales the #1 seed, but I am guessing.  It would definately give Wilkes the #4 seed.  I have no idea who would get the #2 and #3 seed in that scenerio, it appears that Kings and Manhattenville would have the exact same records against the conference teams.

I think everyone should be concerned with Kings right now.  They are playing far above anyone else in the conference right now, and timing is everything.

[BJ - DSU SID]

I'll try to sum the tiebreakers up as briefly as possible as several scenarios still exist with the final three games on Saturday.

#1 seed
- DeSales gets the #1 seed in almost all of the scenarios based on one of two things pending the Saturday outcomes.  Those two things are either its sweep of Wilkes or its non-conference win over Albright (King's and MVille both lost to Albright).
- King's get the #1 seed with an Arcadia win and a Wilkes loss (or FDU win), and obviously a King's win as well on Saturday.  That's the only way they get the top spot.

#2 seed
- King's gets the #2 spot by virtue of point differential when tied with Manhattanville.
- DeSales gets the #2 seed if the above scenario of King's getting #1 happens.
- Manhattanville can get the #2 spot if King's loses, MVille wins and FDU wins on Saturday.

#3 seed
- Its Manhattanville except for the third #2 scenario above in which case it becomes King's.

#4 seed
- Its Arcadia with a win, they don't need help because even if Wilkes wins and they finish tied, DeSales is #1 seed and Arcadia beat them once and Wilkes did not.
- Wilkes gets it with a win and an Arcadia loss.  This is the only way Wilkes can get the #4 spot.

OK now I have a headache...you want my advice...have yourselves a nice weekend, get some relaxation in...log onto the internet around 6ish on Saturday (unless your going to a game) find out who won what games and let the dust settle.

Next week is the week that matters...No matter what you've done to this point in the season can all be washed away or extended further in a matter of 40 minutes of hoops.  Its all or nothing time.  Team records, previous results, past years history mean nothing...its all about who is playing the best basketball next week.  That team gets to be remembered (that almost sounds like a Disney Movie pep talk - and I just made it up now,  ).

Enjoy the action.

[BJ - DSU SID]

I should set a disclaimer to that previous post.  I haven't gotten much sleep over the past 24 hours (as witness by my late night post last night), so I may have a typo or interpreted something wrong in my above post.

Any questions feel free to ask and I'll try to tie up a loose end.

BJ

[ColonelJohn4Life]

Crap.  You're right.  DeSales did sweep Wilkes.  Oh boy...

[bballfan112]

Playoff predictions? DeSales? Wilkes? Manhattanville?

[wb1313]

Prediction..umm is it at Manhattanvillle or at Arcadia?  If it's at Manhattanville, Wilkes will be sitting home.  Also, is Wilkes at FDU or at home?  Uggh, what a poor way to end the season.

[bill]

Wilkes is at FDU for the finale....

[NEPAFAN]

Cold Case,


What are you doing in here?




PS when is the MAC-Landmark Challenge scheduled for next year?

[cold_case]

Slumming. I just wanted to see how the low rent district lives.