2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

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Point Special,

Did I not say that UPS and UW-SP would be slotted for a rematch in the sweet 16?  Just like clockwork.   

Gonna be very unlikely it will be in Tacoma again.

Nope I was talking about when UPS went to UW-SP the following year...we have played each other a few times   

[mark_reichert]

The bracket is more understandable than WashU having to travel to Elmhurst for the second time this year.

[David Collinge]

Why isn't UT-Dallas hosting their second-round game?  Is it a facilities issue?  In the case of geographic byes, I know some have suggested that it is fairer for the team with the bye to have to travel for the second-round game, but I can't believe that's the NCAA's thinking here--especially since Trinity isn't guaranteed to even be playing in that second-round game.

[sac]

The bracket is more understandable than WashU having to travel to Elmhurst for the second time this year.

The Washington women are hosting this weekend, women have priority in the 1st and 2nd rounds in odd years.  Probably the reason the game is at Elmhurst.

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The bracket is more understandable than WashU having to travel to Elmhurst for the second time this year.

The Washington women are hosting this weekend, women have priority in the 1st and 2nd rounds in odd years.  Probably the reason the game is at Elmhurst.

Interesting...thanks sac, I never knew that!

[Ralph Turner]

Can we say that the sectional with Wash U, St. Thomas, Puget Sound, Wheaton, Elmhurst, UWSP, UW-Platteville, and UW-Whitewater is going to be ridiculous?  Whoever comes out of that one will definitely deserve it!

This is an absolutely brutal bracket...

One of the toughest, if not the toughest, in the history of the tournament.

Pat - Do you recall a tougher bracket since D-3 Hoops started??

Yes, the Calvin bracket in 2000 was a tough one!  #1 - #4 all funneling into Calvin.  Let's compare.

Sectional Finals
Salem State 75, Penn State-Behrend 69
UW-Eau Claire 60, UW-Stevens Point 58
Calvin 115, McMurry 79
Franklin & Marshall 85, Catholic 74

Sectional Semifinals
Salem State 70, Springfield 69
Penn State-Behrend 58, Cortland State 52
UW-Eau Claire 82, Buena Vista 75 (OT)
UW-Stevens Point 63, Chicago 49
McMurry 112, Maryville (Tenn.) 95
Calvin 82, Wooster 53
Catholic 57, William Paterson 52
Franklin & Marshall 76, Rowan 72

Second Round
Springfield 75, Williams 74
Salem State 81, Amherst 75
Penn State-Behrend 80, Rochester Tech 65
Cortland State 60, Hamilton 55
Buena Vista 69, St. Thomas 66
UW-Eau Claire 74, Carthage 62
UW-Stevens Point 72, Lewis & Clark 68
Chicago 75, Ripon 68
McMurry 111, Pomona-Pitzer 76
Maryville (Tenn.) 76, Hampden-Sydney 75
Wooster 82, Ohio Northern 71
Calvin 92, Franklin 90 (OT)
William Paterson 60, Scranton 58 (OT)
Catholic 65, Christopher Newport 64
Rowan 80, Roanoke 74
Franklin & Marshall 65, Widener 62

First Round
Springfield 80, Eastern Connecticut St. 75
Amherst 79, Western New England 77
Penn State-Behrend 64, Alvernia 60
Hamilton 85, Endicott 68
St. Thomas 80, Nebraska Wesleyan 58
UW-Eau Claire 72, Concordia (Wis.) 54
Lewis & Clark 77, Pacific 75
Ripon 58, St. John's 55
Pomona-Pitzer 65, Trinity 62
Maryville (Tenn.) 69, Savannah Art & Design 54
Ohio Northern 74, Benedictine 66
Franklin 81, Webster 50
Scranton 78, Mt. St. Mary 66
Christopher Newport 68, Mississippi College 61
Roanoke 83, Marymount 72 (OT)
Franklin & Marshall 69, Baruch 46

Week 13 Top 25

1   Calvin (14)   25-2   613   2
2   Hampden-Sydney (11)   26-1   608   1
3   Wooster   25-2   571   3
4   McMurry    25-1   537   4
5   William Paterson   22-4   509   6
6   Christopher Newport   24-2   491   7
7   UW-Stevens Point   23-4   478   9
8   Chicago   22-3   430   11
9   Trinity (Texas)    23-2   409   12

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I can't believe they did that in the brackets.  Do they not know they can move some of these schools around?

I'm pretty sure I'll consider whoever comes out of that bracket the champion whether they win in Salem or not.

[sac]

Calvin 115, McMurry 79

Calvin 82, Wooster 53


Week 13 Top 25

1   Calvin (14)   25-2   613   2
2   Hampden-Sydney (11)   26-1   608   1
3   Wooster   25-2   571   3
4   McMurry    25-1   537   4
5   William Paterson   22-4   509   6
6   Christopher Newport   24-2   491   7
7   UW-Stevens Point   23-4   478   9
8   Chicago   22-3   430   11
9   Trinity (Texas)    23-2   409   12

The reader might take notice how easily Calvin handled the supposed #3 and #4 teams at that time.

[Ralph Turner]

Calvin 115, McMurry 79

Calvin 82, Wooster 53


Week 13 Top 25

1   Calvin (14)   25-2   613   2
2   Hampden-Sydney (11)   26-1   608   1
3   Wooster   25-2   571   3
4   McMurry    25-1   537   4
5   William Paterson   22-4   509   6
6   Christopher Newport   24-2   491   7
7   UW-Stevens Point   23-4   478   9
8   Chicago   22-3   430   11
9   Trinity (Texas)    23-2   409   12

The reader might take notice how easily Calvin handled the supposed #3 and #4 teams at that time.

There was definitely a home court advantage.

Five of the top 9 in a 48 team field.

[David Collinge]

I've seen Caltech games that were more competitive than that Wooster/Calvin game. 

[frodotwo]

Can we say that the sectional with Wash U, St. Thomas, Puget Sound, Wheaton, Elmhurst, UWSP, UW-Platteville, and UW-Whitewater is going to be ridiculous?  Whoever comes out of that one will definitely deserve it!

This is an absolutely brutal bracket...

One of the toughest, if not the toughest, in the history of the tournament.

Pat - Do you recall a tougher bracket since D-3 Hoops started??

Yes, the Calvin bracket in 2000 was a tough one!  #1 - #4 all funneling into Calvin.  Let's compare.

Sectional Finals
Salem State 75, Penn State-Behrend 69
UW-Eau Claire 60, UW-Stevens Point 58
Calvin 115, McMurry 79
Franklin & Marshall 85, Catholic 74

Sectional Semifinals
Salem State 70, Springfield 69
Penn State-Behrend 58, Cortland State 52
UW-Eau Claire 82, Buena Vista 75 (OT)
UW-Stevens Point 63, Chicago 49
McMurry 112, Maryville (Tenn.) 95
Calvin 82, Wooster 53
Catholic 57, William Paterson 52
Franklin & Marshall 76, Rowan 72

Second Round
Springfield 75, Williams 74
Salem State 81, Amherst 75
Penn State-Behrend 80, Rochester Tech 65
Cortland State 60, Hamilton 55
Buena Vista 69, St. Thomas 66
UW-Eau Claire 74, Carthage 62
UW-Stevens Point 72, Lewis & Clark 68
Chicago 75, Ripon 68
McMurry 111, Pomona-Pitzer 76
Maryville (Tenn.) 76, Hampden-Sydney 75
Wooster 82, Ohio Northern 71
Calvin 92, Franklin 90 (OT)
William Paterson 60, Scranton 58 (OT)
Catholic 65, Christopher Newport 64
Rowan 80, Roanoke 74
Franklin & Marshall 65, Widener 62

First Round
Springfield 80, Eastern Connecticut St. 75
Amherst 79, Western New England 77
Penn State-Behrend 64, Alvernia 60
Hamilton 85, Endicott 68
St. Thomas 80, Nebraska Wesleyan 58
UW-Eau Claire 72, Concordia (Wis.) 54
Lewis & Clark 77, Pacific 75
Ripon 58, St. John's 55
Pomona-Pitzer 65, Trinity 62
Maryville (Tenn.) 69, Savannah Art & Design 54
Ohio Northern 74, Benedictine 66
Franklin 81, Webster 50
Scranton 78, Mt. St. Mary 66
Christopher Newport 68, Mississippi College 61
Roanoke 83, Marymount 72 (OT)
Franklin & Marshall 69, Baruch 46

Week 13 Top 25

1   Calvin (14)   25-2   613   2
2   Hampden-Sydney (11)   26-1   608   1
3   Wooster   25-2   571   3
4   McMurry    25-1   537   4
5   William Paterson   22-4   509   6
6   Christopher Newport   24-2   491   7
7   UW-Stevens Point   23-4   478   9
8   Chicago   22-3   430   11
9   Trinity (Texas)    23-2   409   12

Through games of Feb. 22, 2009
1 St. Thomas (24)    25-0  624 1
2 Washington U. (1) 22-2   554 2
3 Puget Sound          23-2   542 6
4 Wheaton (Ill.)        22-3   517 7
5 UW-Platteville        21-4   491 4
6 UW-Stevens Point  21-4  487 5
7 UW-Whitewater      21-4  486
20 Elmhurst             19-6   151 21
25 Lawrence            16-6   36 —
29 Whitworth           19-5  18
37  Claremont-MS    18-6  2

I dunno, but this one is mighty impressive, top 7 D3Hoops top 25 matches up more than favorably with that year.

[Ralph Turner]

Yep!   

My next question is for the mathematicians.

How much proximity effect in Massey's Ratings (MOV) is there to the schools in that region?

The Upper part of the Midwest and the Minnesota/Wisconsin West are a proximity grouping of about 12-15% of the entire population of schools.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I've noticed that Massey also seems to trend towards rewarding schools who play outside D3.  It seems like the NWC, the California schools, and even a MW school like Grinnell get some help in their numbers because of cross-division play.

[sac]

I've noticed that Massey also seems to trend towards rewarding schools who play outside D3.  It seems like the NWC, the California schools, and even a MW school like Grinnell get some help in their numbers because of cross-division play.

Currently Massey's ratings can't handle the exhibition/non-exhibiton games between two divisions where one can count it as a game, one doesn't.  I don't feel the D3 numbers are as accurate as they used to be because of this fact.

An example   Ferris State vs Calvin........this game counts for Ferris, does not count for Calvin yet the result is used in calculating Calvin's massey rating.

Over the years I've also found many errors in score reports, esp in the NAIA schools.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Why isn't UT-Dallas hosting their second-round game?  Is it a facilities issue?  In the case of geographic byes, I know some have suggested that it is fairer for the team with the bye to have to travel for the second-round game, but I can't believe that's the NCAA's thinking here--especially since Trinity isn't guaranteed to even be playing in that second-round game.

UT-Dallas rented out their facility for this weekend for whatever reason so they can't host at all this weekend... and I can't imagine should they win through that they would be hosting next weekend.