2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

[nescac1]

Thanks.  Obviously my national knowledge is far from complete ... I should not have mentioned Ohio as my memory of that was way off.  CCIW and WIAC, the top three from each of those, I feel comfortable are all going to be between a little and a lot less imposing at the outset, and I think St. Thomas loses some good players as well.  But then again, Illinois Wesleyan seems like it is poised to return to its traditional contender status.  That being said, I still think the national top ten next year will end up being a lot more geographically representative, with the three eastern final four teams all looking pretty stacked, and some of the New England powers rebounding from a relatively down year for the region (or in Williams' case, down five years .  )

[Scrub023]

Can anyone give me the tournaments at large bids and Tournament Qualifiers. I have some, but I cant find out who were at large bids and who won their conference tourneys.

[Titan Q]

What is interesting to note is that 3/4 final four teams are in some ways a year ahead of schedule -- Guilford, F&M, Richard Stockton all return nearly all of their key guys; they will likely all be legit top-five pre-season teams next year.  Next year, for the first time in awhile, (and this is projecting wayyyy ahead of course) it seems like there may actually be some parity among the brackets, given how decimated the top squads from the traditional power conferences in the midwest and west (WIAC, CCIW, Wash U., top Ohio teams, just an unusual concentration of truly stellar seniors, even by that group's high standards) generally will be by graduation.  Meanwhile, the eastern brackets will have a lot more powerful teams, as in addition to the three final four teams, I think New England will return to producing at least one true national contender (UMass Dartmouth, Amherst, Williams being the most likely contenders) after a very balanced, but unusually not-top-heavy, year in that region.   Not much of a silver lining of course, consider that is is highly unlikely that 3/4 final four teams would have made it out of the bracket of death THIS year. 

F&M, by the way, is a very likely possilibility to follow in the recent tradition of teams planting themselves in a few straight championship games (or at least final fours) (Williams, Stevens Point, Va Wesleyan, Amherst, Wash U ...).  They may not even peak until two years from now.  I have been aware of a few of their players for awhile: soph star James McNally is a beast, and was absolutely dominant for several years at a very strong NJ high school program, featuring great coaching (I actually attended that school back when it was producing three future Big East players, one of whom went on to the NBA) that played very tough competition-- I was following him hoping he'd end up in NESCAC as he also had the academics to get in anywhere.  Their star frosh point guard also excelled at a very, very strong high school program that sends many guys to big-time Div I programs.  Plus I think their other star, a D-I transfer, has another year of eligibility as well. 

The top CCIW teams definitely lose a ton:

* Wheaton loses Kent Raymond (1st Team All-CCIW) and Andy Wiele (2nd Team).
* Elmhurst loses Brent Ruch (1st Team) and Ryan Burks (2nd Team).
* Augustana loses Chandlor Collins (1st Team), Brett Wessels (3rd Team...1st Team last year), and 2 other starters.
* North Central loses Chris Drennan (1st Team), Matt Rogers (2nd Team), and key role players.

Most around the CCIW feel like the league was about as deep in 2009 as anytime in recent memory...that will not be the case next year.  Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan will probably be picked 1 and 2 next year.

I know the top 3 WIAC teams (Stevens Point, Platteville, and Whitewater), which were all Top 10-caliber teams, lose just as much.

Conference strength is always a cyclical thing, and next season could be one the CCIW and WIAC are in rebuilding mode.

[wheaton.thunder]

* Wheaton also loses seasoned veteran Ben Panner, who is a senior academically, but is a junior athletically after transferring from University of Texas.

[Wydown Blvd.]

Next year, for the first time in awhile, (and this is projecting wayyyy ahead of course) it seems like there may actually be some parity among the brackets, given how decimated the top squads from the traditional power conferences in the midwest and west (WIAC, CCIW, Wash U., top Ohio teams, just an unusual concentration of truly stellar seniors, even by that group's high standards) generally will be by graduation. 

Correction to Nescac1's thoughts...WashU possibly only loses one senior in Tyler Nading (1st Team All-UAA) to graduation (not at all "an unusual concentration" for any team). Sean Wallis has a year of eligibility and is sticking around from what I have heard. They should be set-up to make another great run next year.

[quaj]

Next year, for the first time in awhile, (and this is projecting wayyyy ahead of course) it seems like there may actually be some parity among the brackets, given how decimated the top squads from the traditional power conferences in the midwest and west (WIAC, CCIW, Wash U., top Ohio teams, just an unusual concentration of truly stellar seniors, even by that group's high standards) generally will be by graduation. 

Correction to Nescac1's thoughts...WashU possibly only loses one senior in Tyler Nading (1st Team All-UAA) to graduation (not at all "an unusual concentration" for any team). Sean Wallis has a year of eligibility and is sticking around from what I have heard. They should be set-up to make another great run next year.

Sean Wallis still hasn't made a firm decision from what I've heard. But with Dylan Richter recovered from injury, Aaron Thompson (UAA Player of the Year), Cam Smith and all  the other guys, we'll be in a good position.

[Greek Tragedy]

Can anyone give me the tournaments at large bids and Tournament Qualifiers. I have some, but I cant find out who were at large bids and who won their conference tourneys.

RED means they have lost, regular season/conference tourney is complete and they are Pool C eligible.

Teams in red not crossed out got Pool C bids. 

BLUE means they have won the Pool A bid from their respective conference

There are Pool A spots not listed because those conference tourney winners weren't listed in the regional rankings.  You're on your own on that. 

Teams in Green (Scranton and Elms-Maryville (TN) not listed) were Pool B teams

Atlantic	REG	CONF.	RESULTS
Richard Stockton	20-2	NJAC	BEAT William Paterson; BEAT Rutgers-Newark in NJAC Final
Farmingdale State	23-2	SKY	BEAT SUNY-Old Westbury; LOST to St. Joseph's (L.I.) in SKY Finals
Monclair State	16-5	NJAC	LOST to Rutgers-Newark in NJAC semis   [/s]
William Paterson	20-6	NJAC	LOST to Richard Stockton in NJAC semis
Baruch	20-3	CUNYAC	BEAT Lehman; LOST to Brooklyn in CUNYAC Final.
EAST	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Ithaca	22-1	E8	LOST Nazareth in E8 semis
St. Lawrence	17-5	LL	BEAT Clarkson; LOST to RPI in Liberty League Final
Hamilton	16-2	LL	LOST to RPI   in LL semis
Utica	17-8	E8	LOST to Rochester Tech in E8 semis.
Rochester	16-8	UAA	LOST to Carnegie Mellon on Sat.
Great Lakes	REG	CONF	RESULTS
John Carroll	18-3	OAC	BEAT Heidelberg; BEAT Muskingum; BEAT Capital in OAC Final
Capital	20-3	OAC	BEAT Mount Union, BEAT Ohio Northern; LOST to John Carroll in OAC Final
Carnegie Mellon	14-5	UAA	BEAT Rochester
Wooster	18-4	NCAC	BEAT Denison; BEAT Kenyon; BEAT Wabash in NCAC Final
Calvin	12-2	MIAA	BEAT Trine; BEAT Olivet; LOST to Hope in MIAA Final
Ohio Wesleyan	16-6	NCAC	LOST to Allegheny in NCAC quarterfinals
Middle Atlantic	REG	CONF	RESULTS
St. Mary's (Md)	18-2	CAC	LOST to Marymount in CAC semis
Franklin & Marshall	20-4	CC	BEAT Muhlenberg; LOST to Gettysburg in Centennial Conference Final
DeSales	18-5	MACF	BEAT Wilkes; BEAT Manhattanville in MACF Final
Widener	18-5	MACC	BEAT Messiah; BEAT Elizabethtown in MACC Final.
Gwynedd-Mercy	19-4	CSAC	BEAT Baptist Bible; BEAT Cabrini CSAC Final.
McDaniel	16-6	CC	LOST to Gettysburg in CC semis.
Cabrini	19-6	CSAC	BEAT Keystone; LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy in CSAC Final.
Scranton	18-6	LAND	BEAT Catholic; BEAT Susquehanna in LAND Final.
Midwest	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Wheaton (IL)	18-3	CCIW	BEAT North Central (Ill); BEAT Elmhurst in CCIW Final
Washington U.	21-2	UAA	BEAT Chicago on Sat.
Elmhurst	19-6	CCIW	BEAT Augustana; LOST to Wheaton (IL) in CCIW Final on Sat.
Transylvania	16-3	HCAC	BEAT Anderson; BEAT Franklin in HCAC Final.
Lawrence	17-6	MWC	BEAT Carroll; BEAT Grinnell in MWC Final.
Augustana	17-7	CCIW	LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW semis
Carroll	16-7	MWC	LOST to Lawrence in MWC semis
North Central (IL)	14-7	CCIW	LOST to Wheaton (IL) in CCIW semis.
Northeast	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Worcester Tech	20-3	NEWMAC	LOST to Springfield in NEWMAC semis
Middlebury	20-2	NESCAC	BEAT Bowdoin; BEAT Amherst in NESCAC Final
Elms	23-1	NECC	BEAT Wheelock; BEAT Becker in NECC Final (NECC is Pool B eligible)
Rhode Island Coll.	21-4	LEC	BEAT Southern Maine; BEAT Keene State; LOST to Mass-Dartmouth in LEC Final
Mass-Dartmouth	20-3	LEC	BEAT Mass-Boston; BEAT Western Connecticut; BEAT RIC in LEC Final
Salem State	19-5	MASCAC	BEAT Framingham State; LOST to Bridgewater State in MASCAC Final.
Bridgewater State	17-4	MASCAC	BEAT Westfield State; BEAT Salem State in MASCAC Final
Brandeis	16-8	UAA	BEAT New York University
Amherst	18-5	NESCAC	BEAT Williams; LOST to Middlebury in NESCAC Final
Bowdoin	17-8	NESCAC	LOST to Middlebury in NESCAC semis
South	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Trinity (Texas)	19-3	SCAC	BEAT Sewanee; LOST to Southwestern in SCAC semis
Texas-Dallas	19-4	ASC	BEAT Sul Ross State; BEAT Mary Hardin-Baylor; BEAT Mississippi College in ASC Final.
Guilford	20-4	ODAC	LOST to Washington and Lee in ODAC quarters.
Randolph-Macon	18-2	ODAC	LOST Virginia Wesleyan in ODAC quarters.
Centre	16-4	SCAC	BEAT Austin; BEAT Hendrix; BEAT Southwestern in SCAC Final
McMurry	17-5	ASC	BEAT Texas-Tyler; LOST to Mississippi College in ASC semis
DePauw	15-5	SCAC	LOST Southwestern in SCAC quarters.
Roanoke	14-6	ODAC	LOST Hampden-Sydney in ODAC quarters.
West	REG	CONF	RESULTS
St. Thomas	24-0	MIAC	BEAT Gustavus Adolphus; BEAT Bethel in MIAC Final
Puget Sound	20-0	NWC	BEAT Lewis and Clark; LOST to Whitworth in NWC Final
UW-Stevens Point	20-4	WIAC	BEAT Oshkosh; BEAT Platteville in WIAC Final
UW-Whitewater	20-4	WIAC	BEAT River Falls; LOST to Platteville
UW-Platteville	16-4	WIAC	BEAT Whitewater; LOST to Stevens Point in WIAC Final
Buena Vista	20-2	IIAC	LOST to Wartburg in IIAC semis
CMS	16-4	SCIAC	BEAT Caltech; BEAT Cal. Lutheran; BEAT Ponoma-Pitzer in SCIAC Final.
Whitworth	18-5	NWC	BEAT Linfield; BEAT Puget Sound in NWC Final

[Greek Tragedy]

WIAC Top 3

Stevens Point:
Losses: El-Amin, Beamish, Rortvedt, Wotachek
Returning: Moses, Hurd, Jenkins, Krull, Sweeny

Platteville:
Losses: Skemp, Lohoff, Richter, Tetchlag
Returning: Hanson, Shaw, Allen, Wall

Whitewater:
Losses: Goodwin, McKay, Vernon, Kolinski, Kingsby
Returning: Mitchell, Vines, Negri, Koski

2008-09 All-WIAC Men's Basketball Team
First Team
Name, School, Year, Position, Height, Hometown (High School)
D.J. Marsh, Oshkosh, Junior, Forward, 6-4,
Jeff Skemp, Platteville, Senior, Center, 6-10,
Myles McKay, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, 6-3,
Bryan Beamish, Stevens Point, Senior, Forward, 6-6,
Kori Vernon, Whitewater, Senior, Forward, 6-6,
Matt Moses, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, 6-2,
Charlie Lohoff, Platteville, Senior, Guard, 6-3,
Dane Seckar-Anderson, Oshkosh, Senior, Forward, 6-7,
Khalifa El-Amin, Stevens Point, Senior, Guard, 5-8,
Dan Beyer, Eau Claire, Senior, Forward, 6-7,
Curt Hanson, Platteville, Junior, Guard, 6-1,
Pete Rortvedt, Stevens Point, Senior, Forward, 6-5,

Honorable Mention
Ryan Shea, Eau Claire, Sophomore, Guard, 6-4,
Jake Smith, Superior, Sophomore, Forward, 6-6,
Trevor Stratton, La Crosse, Junior, Guard, 6-2,
Matt Miller, Oshkosh, Senior, Guard, 5-9,
Dustin Mitchell, Whitewater, Junior, Center, 6-9,
Matt Goodwin, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, 6-1,
Jake Voeltz, River Falls, Sophomore, Forward, 6-4,
Jontae Koonkaew, River Falls, Sophomore, Guard, 5-9,
Aaron Anderson, River Falls, Freshman, Guard, 6-4,
Dwight Hill, Superior, Junior, Guard, 5-9,

THREE first team all conference players return next year.  All but two of the 10 honorable mention players return.

In addition, this doesn't include the likes of Tony Mane (LX), Mike Shaw (PL), Louis Hurd (SP) Jerrell Enerson-Mathews (ST), and Dwight Hill (SUP), just to name a few.

[Gregory Sager]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

[Scrub023]

Thanks Old School.

[mark_reichert]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

[Greek Tragedy]

Heres a full list of A, B and C pool teams

First Round Tourney matchups

POOL A v POOL A
Wooster (A) vs. Gettysburg (A)
Medaille (A) at John Carroll (A)
Averett (A) at Centre (A)
Fontbonne (A) at Wheaton (Ill) (A)
Washington U. (A) vs. Lawrence (A)
Aurora (A) at St. Thomas (Minn) (A)
UW-Stevens Point (A) vs. Cornell (A)
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (A) at Whitworth (A)
St. Joseph's (Maine) (A) at Bridgewater State (A)
RPI (A) at Richard Stockton (A)
Virginia Wesleyan (A) at Widener (A)
St. Joseph's LI (A) at DeSales (A)

POOL A v POOL B
Elms (B) vs. SUNYIT (A)

POOL A v POOL C
Thomas More (A) at Capital (C)
Brockport State (A) vs. Carnegie Mellon (C)
Transylvania (A) vs. Guilford (C)
UW-Platteville (C) vs. Hope (A)
MIT (A) at Rhode Island College (C)
U. of New England (A) vs. Farmingdale State (C)
Brooklyn (A) at St. Lawrence (C)
Amherst (C) vs. Gwynedd-Mercy (A)
Salem State (C) vs. Rochester Tech (A)
Wesley (A) at Franklin & Marshall (C)
Husson (A) at Worcester Polytech (C)
Mass-Dartmouth (A) vs. Baruch (C)

POOL C v POOL C
UW-Whitewater (C) at Elmhurst (C)

POOL C v POOL B
Maryville (Tenn) (B) at Trinity (Texas) (C)
Brandeis (C) vs. Scranton (B)

TEAMS WITH 1st ROUND BYES
Puget Sound-(C)
Texas-Dallas-(A)
Ithaca-(C)
Middlebury-(A)

[Greek Tragedy]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Huh?  Pat says the Salem Era which only dates back so far.  Sager says ever, to mean not only the Salem era, but the time it wasn't played in Salem.  It's a Division III website, we're guessing it's D3.

[magicman]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

I'd imagine John Wooden would also know the answer!