2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

[cave2bens]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

I'd imagine John Wooden would also know the answer!

Along with Coach K at Duke ('88-92) and Cincinnati (early 1960s) 

[magicman]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

I'd imagine John Wooden would also know the answer!

Mr. Y,
I was having a senior moment. Couldn't remember if they went to 4 in a row or not. I remember they had 2 or 3 then had to wait until Alcindor/Jabbar became a sophomore to resume a string of a few more. Just didn't know if they went to 4 in a row or not. Apparently your memory is better than mine. But I'm not as young as you. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[David Collinge]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

I'd imagine John Wooden would also know the answer!

Along with Coach K at Duke ('88-92) and Cincinnati (early 1960s) 

So can Nancy Fahey at Wash.U., which is clearly what Mark Reichert was getting at in the first place.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

I'd imagine John Wooden would also know the answer!

Mr. Y,
I was having a senior moment. Couldn't remember if they went to 4 in a row or not. I remember they had 2 or 3 then had to wait until Alcindor/Jabbar became a sophomore to resume a string of a few more. Just didn't know if they went to 4 in a row or not. Apparently your memory is better than mine. But I'm not as young as you. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Once Alcindor/Jabbar got in, they proceded to win 7 TITLES in a row, so I assumed they made the FF!

BTW, I'm 60 - are you sure you're older than me?

[mark_reichert]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

I'd imagine John Wooden would also know the answer!

Along with Coach K at Duke ('88-92) and Cincinnati (early 1960s) 

So can Nancy Fahey at Wash.U., which is clearly what Mark Reichert was getting at in the first place.

I was also thinking of Wooden as well.   It may have happened four decades ago, but seven consecutive national championships (as Ypsi just beat me in mentioning) should make some sort of impression on a basketball fan.  Tip to cave2bens for remembering Duke and Cincinnati.  Odd thing I just learned, Oscar Robertson was only around for the first two Final Four trips and it was only after he left that they won the championship.

Is it a sign of the spread wide talent of Division III men's basketball that no team has gotten to four in a row, the same thing that makes the Top 25 more variable than the women's?

[Wydown Blvd.]

I think contrasting D3 to D1 is not useful here because of the "seeding factor". Obviously we see with the "bracket of death" as compared to the bracket that Louisville is in that a truely seeded bracket tends to allow the best teams to make it further in the tournament before coming against higher ranked competition. So, having a team not make it to the final four 4 consecutive trips is not necessarily a sign of widespread talent in D3. It may just be a consequence of the regional emphasis of the brackets. In many years, teams have to face tougher competition earlier in the tournament as compared to D1.

With that being said, I do believe there is parity and a lot of talent in Division III men's basketball. There is a lot of talent in the D1 level also, but those program's that are talented lose their players to this league thats kind of famous...the NBA (which is why we havent had men's D1 teams make 4 consecutive trips to the Final Four in recent history). Put Lebron on a Duke squad for 4 years, and I think they would have been quite alright...

(I would like to add that I believe many D1 women's teams have made it to 4 consecutive Final Fours including the last program being the 5 consecutive by LSU (2004-2008).)

[sac]

Good points Wyndown, and add to it the restrictiveness of entry into the D3 tournament, we had a 48 team field for years.

Don't discount the home crowd factor in some of these tournaments.  Over the span of 3 or 4 years you're going to play and have to beat someone on their home floor in a hostile environment. 

The WIAC and NESCAC didn't come along untill later in the proceedings as well.

[magicman]

BTW, I'm 60 - are you sure you're older than me?

Yes.

[Mr. Ypsi]

BTW, I'm 60 - are you sure you're older than me?

Yes.

Ah, the anonymity of the internet!

Based on nothing whatsoever, in compiling the PP I had always envisioned you as a twenty or thirty-something!

I trust you're still young enough that you'll be back next year!

[magicman]

BTW, I'm 60 - are you sure you're older than me?

Yes.

Ah, the anonymity of the internet!

Based on nothing whatsoever, in compiling the PP I had always envisioned you as a twenty or thirty-something!

I trust you're still young enough that you'll be back next year!

I wish. And yes I will be back next year. I'm not that old! I actually only have you by 255 days, so for a short time we will both be 61   Also plus k for the "you make it to 2 sentences?" comment on the mortgage board. That was funny!

[Greek Tragedy]

The WIAC and NESCAC didn't come along untill later in the proceedings as well.

The WIAC (or WSUC back in the day) AS A WHOLE.  Whitewater won the NCAA in 84 and the archives showed they played in 83.  I know teams like Point and Eau Claire had dual membership but played in the NAIA for years.  Obviously Whitewater chose the NCAA.  Not sure how long those teams had dual membership though.

[Gregory Sager]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

I'd imagine John Wooden would also know the answer!

Along with Coach K at Duke ('88-92) and Cincinnati (early 1960s) 

So can Nancy Fahey at Wash.U., which is clearly what Mark Reichert was getting at in the first place.

Come on, people. Look at the topic tree at the top of this post: D3boards.com / Posting Up / Men's Basketball / Multi-Regional Topics / Post reply (Re: 2009 Division III NCAA Tournament)

When I say, "Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row," the terms of my statement are self-explanatory. This is a room in which the Final Four of Division III men's basketball is discussed.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

+k Gregory!

[mark_reichert]

Nobody in the Salem era has made the Final Four four years in a row.

Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row.

...in Division III Men's Basketball.

See "Salem era" definitely says Division III Men's, no other explanations necessary.  Your statement is only explains itself by where you are saying it.

Gregory,
It sounds to me as if someone is nitpicking the head nitpicker. . But it would be nice if you could come back and say:  Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row in any division, hence my use of the word nobody. I don't know if that's true or not. I can't think of any team that did off the top of my head but I'm sure if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you.

I'd imagine John Wooden would also know the answer!

Along with Coach K at Duke ('88-92) and Cincinnati (early 1960s) 

So can Nancy Fahey at Wash.U., which is clearly what Mark Reichert was getting at in the first place.

Come on, people. Look at the topic tree at the top of this post: D3boards.com / Posting Up / Men's Basketball / Multi-Regional Topics / Post reply (Re: 2009 Division III NCAA Tournament)

When I say, "Nobody has ever made the Final Four four years in a row," the terms of my statement are self-explanatory. This is a room in which the Final Four of Division III men's basketball is discussed.

Right, I was nitpicking.  On the other hand, it led to counterexamples and Wydown Blvd and sac have chipped in their opinions on why no Division III men's team has done so.

[BoBo]

The WIAC and NESCAC didn't come along untill later in the proceedings as well.

The WIAC (or WSUC back in the day) AS A WHOLE.  Whitewater won the NCAA in 84 and the archives showed they played in 83.  I know teams like Point and Eau Claire had dual membership but played in the NAIA for years.  Obviously Whitewater chose the NCAA.  Not sure how long those teams had dual membership though.

Whitewater also won it all in 1989 averaging, during the tournament, a cool body temp (98.8 ppg) on offense to win it all!!