2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

[David Collinge]

Renamed, if I did it right.

[John Gleich]

So.... things are still muddy at this point, but I took a stab at the West/Midwest in terms of how some pod hostings might look.  See whatcha think.

Of course, this depends on how everything else goes from here... but...

First off, Stevens Point isn't going to host the pod.  Their women are.  So we know that the Pointers will travel.  But who will host the pods?

I would have put my money on Concordia of Mequon... they were the top-ranked team in the Midwest region.

But then they lost in the Semi's of the Northern Athletic conf championship last night and Benedictine won the NathCon bid.  I still think they (CUW) are going to get in, and they may even host... but I'd say their chances are a little bit diminished.

If not there, my money would be on Augustana or St. Thomas (... again...).  But it really depends who all is in.


This is the last regional ranking for the Midwest region and the West region:

Midwest Region
1 Concordia (Wis.) 20-2 22-3  Lost NAC Semi's
2 Augustana 21-2 22-2   Won CCIW bid
3 Manchester 18-5 19-6  Plays Hanover in the HCAC championship
4 Hanover 18-6 18-6  Plays @Manchester in the HCAC championship
5 Anderson 15-7 17-8  Lost in HCAC semi's
6 Milwaukee Engineering 18-6 19-6  Lost NAC Semi's
7 Benedictine 17-6 18-7  Won NAC bid
8 St. Norbert 18-5 18-5  Won MWC bid

West Region
1 Whitworth 24-1 24-1  Currently playing in the NWC title game vs. Whitman... tied 26-26 at the half
2 St. Thomas 21-3 22-3  Hosting Gustavus Adolphus MIAC title game 2/27
3 UW-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3  Won WIAC bid
4 Chapman 14-1 21-3  Pool B bid
5 Carleton 18-5 18-7  Lost in MIAC semi's
6 UW-River Falls 17-5 19-6  Lost in WIAC final
7 Whitman 13-5 18-7 Currently playing in the NWC title game at Whitworth... tied 26-26 at the half
8 Lewis and Clark 12-5 18-7  Lost in NWC semi's
9 UW-Whitewater 16-8 17-8  Lost in WIAC semi's

Whitworth is either going to host a 3 team pod if they beat Whitman tonight or a 4 team pod if they lose, with Chapman (they've got the lone Pool B bid locked down) and the SCIAC champ.  That pod is pretty much locked down.

Elsewhere in the Midwest/West, these teams are in:

CCIW: Augustana
Northern Athletic: Benedictine (Concordia of Wisconsin is a pool C lock, but haven't officially gotten their bid yet)
Midwest : St. Norbert
UMAC: Northwestern
IIAC: Luther
WIAC: Point (River Falls looks to be in pretty good shape for a Pool C bid)
MIAC: St. Thomas is a Pool C lock if they lose... could be Gustavus Adolphus with the upset.  Carleton has a decent chance at a Pool C bid.

So that's 10 teams right there...

There are a few more Midwest region conferences that are a little farther away...

SLIAC: Webster
HCAC: Winner of Manchester/Hanover... the loser could get a Pool C, but that would be after River Falls' bid, I think.  And maybe Anderson(?)

So that's 12-14 teams.

The three hosts as I see it would be St. Thomas, Augustana, and Concordia.  That's if they don't include the MIAC in any midwestern pods like they've done several times in recent year or if they don't include any teams from the South region like they did last year.  And that could all still happen... if they ship some teams to the Great Lakes like they did to Whitewater last year or La Crosse back in '06.



So, really, there's a lot of unknowns at this point... but I don't see any teams with better hosting resumes than Augie/St. Thomas/Concordia/Whitworth, and if you're in the midwest, you're definitely not heading out to Oregon Washington for the first two rounds.



Now, there were no considerations for bids across the country... I guess there's a chance the teams I've mentioned won't make it... but that doesn't include my 4 pod hosts.

[dahlby]

PointSpecial. If the Whitworth pod is only 3 teams, I would be surprised if Chapman didn't host CMS/Redlands with the winner going to Spokane. The NCAA would save much $$$$$.

If 4 team, I would agree that Whitworth would host all the games.

Thanks for all your postings thru the year. Your efforts are most commendable! Good luck to your team!

[Ralph Turner]

PointSpecial. If the Whitworth pod is only 3 teams, I would be surprised if Chapman didn't host CMS/Redlands with the winner going to Spokane. The NCAA would save much $$$$$.

If 4 team, I would agree that Whitworth would host all the games.

Thanks for all your postings thru the year. Your efforts are most commendable! Good luck to your team!

...which makes "seeding" sense, too.

[John Gleich]

PointSpecial. If the Whitworth pod is only 3 teams, I would be surprised if Chapman didn't host CMS/Redlands with the winner going to Spokane. The NCAA would save much $$$$$.

If 4 team, I would agree that Whitworth would host all the games.

Thanks for all your postings thru the year. Your efforts are most commendable! Good luck to your team!

My pleasure!  It's a ton of fun for me to follow my team, especially when they're playing well, and I've been lucky enough that they've played well as consistently as anybody in the country for the last decade!

Yep, you've got the 3-team pod right... Chapman hosts, then on to Whitworth, just like last year... and pretty much every other year in recent memory!

[rvb909400]

PointSpecial - I think you are right on pods then I would predict these pairings - St. Thomas, River Falls, Northwestern, Luther. Concordia, Stevens Point, Hanover, St. Norbert. Augustana, Webster, Manchester, Benedictine

[David Collinge]

Don't forget Hope in your calculations.  They're a long way away from the rest of the GL bids (Wooster, Marietta, Bethany, and probably Penn St.-Behrend) and seem to be as likely to head west (or host such teams) as to head southeast. 

And ohbytheway, nobody is "heading out to Oregon for the first two rounds," unless they plan to take a hard right at Pendelton. 

[John Gleich]

   Er, did I say Oregon? 



Yeah, I realized it was wrong after I posted it but forgot to change it!

[John Gleich]

DePauw could factor in as well in these pods if they win... they play 10-16 Hendrix tomorrow

[John Gleich]

A little bit clearer... the West/Midwest picture:

Midwest Region
1 Concordia (Wis.) 20-2 22-3  Lost NAC Semi's
2 Augustana 21-2 22-2   Won CCIW bid
3 Manchester 18-5 19-6  Plays Hanover in the HCAC championship
4 Hanover 18-6 18-6  Plays @Manchester in the HCAC championship
5 Anderson 15-7 17-8  Lost in HCAC semi's
6 Milwaukee Engineering 18-6 19-6  Lost NAC Semi's
7 Benedictine 17-6 18-7  Won NAC bid
8 St. Norbert 18-5 18-5  Won MWC bid

West Region
1 Whitworth 24-1 24-1  Won NWC bid
2 St. Thomas 21-3 22-3  Hosting Gustavus Adolphus MIAC title game 2/27
3 UW-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3  Won WIAC bid
4 Chapman 14-1 21-3  Pool B bid
5 Carleton 18-5 18-7  Lost in MIAC semi's
6 UW-River Falls 17-5 19-6  Lost in WIAC final
7 Whitman 13-5 18-7 Lost in NWC finals
8 Lewis and Clark 12-5 18-7  Lost in NWC semi's
9 UW-Whitewater 16-8 17-8  Lost in WIAC semi's



Whitworth is either going to host a 3 team pod if they beat Whitman tonight or a 4 team pod if they lose, with Chapman (they've got the lone Pool B bid locked down) and the SCIAC champ.  That pod is pretty much locked down.

NWC: Whitworth
Ind: Chapman
SCIAC: Redlands/CMS winner


Elsewhere in the Midwest/West, these teams are in:

CCIW: Augustana
Northern Athletic: Benedictine (Concordia of Wisconsin is a pool C lock, but haven't officially gotten their bid yet)
Midwest : St. Norbert
UMAC: Northwestern
IIAC: Luther
WIAC: Point (River Falls looks to be in pretty good shape for a Pool C bid)
MIAC: St. Thomas is a Pool C lock if they lose... could be Gustavus Adolphus with the upset.  Carleton has a decent chance at a Pool C bid.


So that's 10 teams right there...

There are a few more midwestern conferences/teams that are a little farther away...

SLIAC: Webster
HCAC: Winner of Manchester/Hanover... the loser could get a Pool C, but that would be after River Falls' bid, I think.  And maybe Anderson(?)
SCAC: Depauw  (plays Hendrix for the SCAC title 2/27)
MIAA: Hope

That's more than enough teams to populate three more pods...

The three hosts as I see it would be St. Thomas, Augustana, and Concordia.  That's if they don't include the MIAC in any midwestern pods like they've done several times in recent year or if they don't include any teams from the South region like they did last year.  And that could all still happen... if they ship some teams to the Great Lakes like they did to Whitewater last year or La Crosse back in '06.



Pod Hosts:  Whitworth, St. Thomas, Concordia (WI), Augustana

[ronk]

 So who's likely to get the other 2 byes besides Whitworth?

[Ralph Turner]

So who's likely to get the other 2 byes besides Whitworth?

You may need another geographic bye, if UTD gets a Pool C to go with the ASC Pool A bid, (either UMHB or McMurry.)

Trinity lost to DePauw by 2 today, so there is the last team in this part of the country who might fit into a pod.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

So who's likely to get the other 2 byes besides Whitworth?

I think Middlebury is a lock - unless there's so many teams from the NE (which is a good possibility) that they need everyone to play in the first round.

The third bye is up for grabs based on seeding and travel needs.

[Greek Tragedy]

Tournament hopefuls

Pool C ONLY

Atlantic Region
1 Ramapo 19-3 20-5 (NJAC):  LOST to Montclair State 67-64 in semis 
3 Kean 17-5 18-7 (NJAC):  LOST to NJCU 75-61 in semis
4 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 18-5 20-5 (SKY):  BEAT Mount Saint Vincent 68-60, BEAT Mount Saint Mary 78-75 OT in semis; LOST to SUNY-Purchase 81-66 in final
5 Mount Saint Mary 18-7 18-7 (SKY):  LOST to St. Joseph's (L.I.) 78-75 OT in semis


East Region
1 Oswego State 22-3 22-3 (SUNYAC):  BEAT Potsdam State 64-50 in quarterfinals, LOST Brockport State 74-70 in semis
2 Ithaca 19-5 20-5  (E8):  LOST to St. John Fisher 88-75 in semis
4 Stevens 19-6 19-6 (E8):  LOST to Hartwick 76-73 in semis
5 Hobart 19-5 19-6 (LL):  LOST to Hamilton 62-60 in semis


Great Lakes Region
3 Penn State-Behrend 22-2 22-3 (AMCC):  BEAT Medaille 58-51 in semis; LOST to La Roche 55-53 in final 
5 Thiel 15-3 18-6 (PrAC):  BEAT Waynesburg 73-63 in quarterfinals, BEAT Thomas More 78-65 in semis; LOST to Bethany 74-67 in final
6 Wabash 18-5 19-5 (NCAC):  BEAT Kenyon 72-61 in quarterfinals, LOST to Wittenberg 65-63 in semis

**Wittenberg:  LOST to Wooster in NCAC Final

Middle Atlantic Region
4 Gwynedd-Mercy 19-4 20-5 (CSAC):  BEAT Keystone 85-65 in semis, LOST to Cabrini 92-70 in final
5 Keystone 21-5 21-5 (CSAC):  LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy 85-65 in semis
6 Lebanon Valley 17-6 19-6 (MACC):  BEAT Widener 58-56 in semis, LOST to Alvernia in final 57-55 
8 DeSales 16-7 18-7 (MACF): BEAT Misericordia 78-69 in semis, LOST to Delaware Valley 79-58 in final
9 Wesley 15-5 16-9 (CAC):  BEAT Salisbury 75-74 in semis; LOST to St. Mary's (Md.) 97-65 in final


Midwest Region
1 Concordia (Wis.) 20-2 22-3 (NATH):  LOST to Edgewood 95-89 in semis 
4 Hanover 18-6 18-6 (HCAC):  BEAT Anderson 62-50 in semis; LOST to Manchester 79-69 in final
5 Anderson 15-7 17-8 (HCAC):  BEAT Bluffton 75-60 in quarterfinals; LOST to Hanover 62-50 in semis
6 Milwaukee Engineering 18-6 19-6 (NATH):  LOST to Aurora 72-67 in quarterfinals
 
**Edgewood:  LOST to Benedictine in NATH Final

Northeast Region
1 Williams 21-1 23-1 (NESCAC): BEAT Trinity (Conn.) in semis 79-69; LOST Middlebury 63-54 in final 
3 WPI 21-3 21-4 (NEWMAC): BEAT Coast Guard 62-51 in semis; LOST MIT in final
4 Becker 22-3 22-3 (NECC):  BEAT Newbury 84-75 in semis; LOST Elms 79-65 in final 
5 Amherst 21-2 22-2 (NESCAC):  LOST to Middlebury 67-61 in semis
6 Western Connecticut State 20-4 21-4 (LEC):  LOST Eastern Connecticut State 94-70 in semis
9 Eastern Connecticut State 15-7 17-8 (LEC):  BEAT Western Connecticut State 94-70 in semis; LOST to Rhode Island College 62-49 in final   
10 Brandeis 16-8 16-8 (UAA):  LOST to NYU 70-54
11 Roger Williams 17-8 17-8 (CCC):  LOST to Endicott 71-68 in CCC quarterfinals


South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 20-3 22-3 (ODAC):  BEAT Washington and Lee 98-78  in quarterfinals; LOST to Randolph 80-76 in semis
3 Texas-Dallas 19-4 20-5 (ASC):   BEAT Concordia (Texas) 85-70 in quarterfinals; LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor 77-69 in semis
4 Ferrum 18-4 21-4 (USAC):  BEAT Christopher Newport 87-81 in semis; LOST to North Carolina Wesleyan 74-70 OT in final 
5 Eastern Mennonite 15-4 21-4 (ODAC):   BEAT Hampden-Sydney 76-75 in quarterfinals; LOST to Randolph-Macon 90-79 in semis
7 Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-6 19-6 (ASC): BEAT Texas-Tyler 73-68 in quarterfinals; BEAT Texas-Dallas 77-69 in semis; LOST McMurry 72-65 in ASC final   
8 Emory 18-5 19-5 (UAA):  BEAT Rochester 83-72

West Region
5 Carleton 18-5 18-7 (MIAC):  LOST to Gustavus Adolphus 70-64 in semis
6 UW-River Falls 17-5 19-6 (WIAC):  BEAT Platteville 69-60 in semis; LOST Stevens Point 79-56 in final
7 Whitman 13-5 18-7 (NWC):  BEAT Lewis and Clark 79-76 in semis; LOST to Whitworth 74-50 in final
8 Lewis and Clark 12-5 18-7 (NWC):  LOST to Whitman 79-76 in semis
9 UW-Whitewater 16-8 17-8 (WIAC):  LOST to Superior 78-72 in quarterfinals

[sac]

So who's likely to get the other 2 byes besides Whitworth?

I think Middlebury is a lock - unless there's so many teams from the NE (which is a good possibility) that they need everyone to play in the first round.

The third bye is up for grabs based on seeding and travel needs.

I think you'll see one in the MW/West.  It looks like there are an odd number of teams West of Ohio including the 2 Texas teams.

Unless the NCAA moves someone around, they could use a bye for a St. Thomas or Steven Point pod.