2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

[toad22]

Wow, that's a big advantage for Rochester. I know none of this is fair, but I do wish it could be.

[nwhoops1903]

Sectionals

Mary Hardin-Baylor, Augustana, Stevens Point, St. Thomas-----bracket says St. Thomas but I think Point might get that one but don't rule out Augustana.


Whitworth, Marietta, Wooster, Cabrini----bracket says Whitworth, but I don't see that curveball coming from the NCAA.  I think Wooster gets it


Buffalo St, St. Mary's, Rochester, Middlebury-----bracket says Middlebury, I'll stick with Middlebury.


Williams, Vir. Wesleyan, Amherst, Rhode Island----bracket says Williams, I'll stick with Williams.


*edit because I spelled Middlebury wrong 2 out of 3 times.

St. Mary's would have to fly to Middlebury. I'm thinking Rochester gets the nod.

Pat, How many girls games have flown or MUST fly next weekend?  Anyone?

[Ralph Turner]

Even as a Whitworth fan I don't know if I'd put much money on them making it to Salem.

They are easily BETTER than Wooster, Marietta, and Cabrini...but they have to fly to Ohio and play a school who is 2 hours from campus...

I would call em almost a lock ft hosting stayed true to seeding...

I know there is no"seeding"...you know what I mean

There is a much more favorable geographical distribution of teams outside the area south of the Potomac and west of the Appalachians in D-II,

D-II Map

and I will bet that the tuition discount rate at the NWC schools is greater than the value of the tuition dollars awarded as pure athletic scholarships at the D-II level.

[(509)Rat]

Even as a Whitworth fan I don't know if I'd put much money on them making it to Salem.

They are easily BETTER than Wooster, Marietta, and Cabrini...but they have to fly to Ohio and play a school who is 2 hours from campus...

I would call em almost a lock ft hosting stayed true to seeding...

I know there is no"seeding"...you know what I mean

There is a much more favorable geographical distribution of teams outside the area south of the Potomac and west of the Appalachians in D-II,

D-II Map

and I will bet that the tuition discount rate at the NWC schools is greater than the value of the tuition dollars awarded as pure athletic scholarships at the D-II level.

Without the rest of the NWC, travel costs would increase. Especially football, where only Central Washington and Western Oregon have programs. On the plus side, Whitworth's basketball team could come right in and contend in the GNAC...

[Pat Coleman]

Sectionals

Mary Hardin-Baylor, Augustana, Stevens Point, St. Thomas-----bracket says St. Thomas but I think Point might get that one but don't rule out Augustana.


Whitworth, Marietta, Wooster, Cabrini----bracket says Whitworth, but I don't see that curveball coming from the NCAA.  I think Wooster gets it


Buffalo St, St. Mary's, Rochester, Middlebury-----bracket says Middlebury, I'll stick with Middlebury.


Williams, Vir. Wesleyan, Amherst, Rhode Island----bracket says Williams, I'll stick with Williams.


*edit because I spelled Middlebury wrong 2 out of 3 times.

St. Mary's would have to fly to Middlebury. I'm thinking Rochester gets the nod.

Pat, How many girls games have flown or MUST fly next weekend?  Anyone?

Women's games? Remember that because they have no byes they have more flights by default. The men would have had to fly two extra teams by now if they had no byes.

[Pat Coleman]

I count four women's flights in the first round and one for this weekend.

[ronk]

Pat,
  Comparing the men's and women's bracket at this stage, does this mean that the women's coaches don't want the national tourney that the men's coaches requested? There are no east-east or west-west finals possible and the Juniata pod is the only one that crosses in the whole bracket. Do u know their thinking on this? How could the 2 b so diverse in design?

[Pat Coleman]

Ronk, they always have been diverse in design. Once upon a time the women's committee led the way in breaking new ground with strong bracket designs. This year they really did not.

The women's committee has both a new chair and a new liaison (commonly referred to as the NCAA beancounter) which may have something to do with the lack of creativity this time around. Also, I get the impression that the women have overspent in past years, so perhaps they were forced to keep things closer.

There is one possible west-west final remaining. Christopher Newport could face Greensboro. (If you're breaking D-III into East and West, the NE, E, MA and A are the East and the S, GL, C and W are the West.)

[nwhoops1903]

I count four women's flights in the first round and one for this weekend.

THANK YOU.  All the bye considerations being true, It would be even for 3 teams to fly to Spokane and Rochester hosts.  Optimism is all (we know) we can have in the NW.

[7express]

Pat, How many girls games have flown or MUST fly next weekend?  Anyone?

Next weekend: George Fox would have to fly Illinois Wesleyan/Stevens Point wherever the sectional ends up being.  I think all the other teams are within 500 miles but I don't have an actual milage counter. As for teams that have had to fly already: George Fox & Louisiana college to Chapman, Lewis & Clark and Howard Payne to Coe, and Whitewater to Thomas More were the only flights I've seen on the women's side for the first 2 rounds.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Whitworth will have to fly, obviously.  I think Virginia Wesleyan is 500+ from all three of the other schools.  Everyone else can drive it.  I expect hosts will be Middlebury, Williams, Wooster, and St Thomas/Augie.

[Wolfpac]

Whitworth will have to fly, obviously.  I think Virginia Wesleyan is 500+ from all three of the other schools.  Everyone else can drive it.  I expect hosts will be Middlebury, Williams, Wooster, and St Thomas/Augie.

Wooster?  8 hour drive from Philly or fly and drive 90 minutes.  Oh well impossible to support my Cavs there, that 28-2 record plus winning by 2 in the last seconds last night must have sealed the fate.  Since Philly is closer to many of the other schools theoretically the Cavs could have hosted if Wooster did not win.......oh well just glad to be there in the Sweet 16 !

[(509)Rat]

Save it Wolfpac, your team isn't ranked #1 in the country and flying 2,000 miles to play...oh well, knew that was coming.

Whitworth v. Marietta in Wooster, OH

Hopefully this year Whitworth handles the travel better in that first game. Which day does NCAA start covering hotel for the team, Thursday? Wonder if Hayford will fly em out a day early and cover hotel with his monstrous budget...could NCAA stop them if Pirates are footing the bill?

[dahlby]

(509)Rat:
It is my understanding that the George Fox women's team flew down to Chapman on Wednesday,
which was a day earlier thaan what the NCAA pays for.

[Ralph Turner]

I bring this question from the ODAC board where the lamentations of the RMC fans are plainly read.

I ask the opinions of the readers of this board.

How much home court advantage is there against a team:

that buses less than 3 hours?

more than 3 hours?

is flown to the site?