2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

[thebear]

Answering a few questions.

Clearly the NCAA didn't follow their rules this time.  Wooster is a far more suitable site than SJF for the Sectionals.

Having been to both, LeFrak is much bigger (and nicer) than Varsity Gym at SJF.  Most HS have better Gym's than Fisher's.  LeFrak also has the worst parking mess I've seen in a long time.

April - I married a Rochester girl, she raves about another Rochester dining spot, just up East Ave in Brighton.  Truly excellent burgers.

http://www.donsoriginal.com/index.php

Don't count Brockport out.  They can play with anyone.  Two of their losses (Geneseo, Oswego) came in games where they were whistled for 40 and 37 fouls respectively, and their opponents shot 60 FT's in each game.  In general if you are whistled for 35 plus fouls in a game, the refs have it in for you.

Should be a fun weekend, as long as the snow holds off

[David Collinge]

Why the heck is it only available in Ohio?? This reminds me of the old Coors beer mystique, when you couldn't buy it east of the Mississippi!

Troyer's Genuine Trail Bologna violates the health code in 37 states, and at the insistence of the Centers for Disease Control, the FDA has made interstate transportation of it illegal without a permit.

[smedindy]

Ah, but it's unique flavor is savored amongst those in that section of Ohio. Should I dare ask what makes 'trail bologna' different from other bologna or summer sausage? Should I enjoy some with haggis and lutefisk?

[Ralph Turner]

Why the heck is it only available in Ohio?? This reminds me of the old Coors beer mystique, when you couldn't buy it east of the Mississippi!

Troyer's Genuine Trail Bologna violates the health code in 37 states, and at the insistence of the Centers for Disease Control, the FDA has made interstate transportation of it illegal without a permit.

Sounds good to me!

The better "mom-and-pop" restaurants in Dallas have as many Mercedes and Lexuses outside as they have Health Code violations.

[FisherDynasty]

The Bear, Bport will be tough to beat for anyone where they dont get alot of fouls called against them.  However, if anyone is going to get fouls like that it is bport.  They play very uptempo and add alot of pressure.  They do maul you and reach a lot so i can see the fouls coming.  Where it gets tough to beat them is when the refs give up on calling the fouls.  It's not a surprise to see that many fouls called on bport that hack the S*&$ out of players. 

[diehardfan]

Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning to include recently submitted teams (including Widener and Virginia Wesleyan) and corrections as suggested by David Collinge, and more info on Point as requested by Point Special.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

You rock, April!

[Greek Tragedy]

Things will, or should, be the same, as per the NCAA's policy:

Four-team Sites: Day One–Two games
1. Home team will receive one-half of available seating. The remaining half of available seating will be equally distributed in terms of number and location among the three visiting teams.
2. Each section should have its own clearly identifiable tickets (separate color than home supporters, other visiting supporters or walk-up tickets)
3. Visiting teams must notify the host institution in writing (via fax) of any of its ticket allotment it has not sold by:
• First- and second-round sites: Thursday, March 1, noon (local time of the host institution);
• Sectional sites: Thursday, March 8, noon (local time of the host institution);
• If the host is not notified by the visiting team by the prescribed times, the visiting team shall be financially accountable for its total ticket allotment.
4. The host institutions must notify the other visiting teams by 3 p.m. of that same day, of their opportunity to purchase additional tickets (the "returned" tickets must be equally distributed among the remaining teams, based on requests by the visiting teams).
Example 1:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. If teams A, B and C want all the tickets they can get, then each will receive 100 additional tickets.
Example 2:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. Teams A and B want all the tickets they can get, but team C requests only 50 additional tickets. Therefore, team C gets 50 of the 300 remaining tickets, and teams A and B are given equal portions of the remaining allotment (125 each).
5. The host must be notified by 3 p.m. (local time of the host) on the first day of competition of the additionally offered tickets that will not be used by the visiting teams.

Stevens Point Sectional Ticket Policy

So, how does it work if they consider all games separate?  50/50?  If they don't sell their allotment, are they given to the other school in that specific game or split among the other three teams, the other playing in the game and the teams in the other game?

[HopeConvert]

Ah, but it's unique flavor is savored amongst those in that section of Ohio. Should I dare ask what makes 'trail bologna' different from other bologna or summer sausage? Should I enjoy some with haggis and lutefisk?

A mistake in labeling. They left off the "En" at the beginning.

[David Collinge]

Things will, or should, be the same, as per the NCAA's policy:

Four-team Sites: Day One–Two games
1. Home team will receive one-half of available seating. The remaining half of available seating will be equally distributed in terms of number and location among the three visiting teams.
2. Each section should have its own clearly identifiable tickets (separate color than home supporters, other visiting supporters or walk-up tickets)
3. Visiting teams must notify the host institution in writing (via fax) of any of its ticket allotment it has not sold by:
• First- and second-round sites: Thursday, March 1, noon (local time of the host institution);
• Sectional sites: Thursday, March 8, noon (local time of the host institution);
• If the host is not notified by the visiting team by the prescribed times, the visiting team shall be financially accountable for its total ticket allotment.
4. The host institutions must notify the other visiting teams by 3 p.m. of that same day, of their opportunity to purchase additional tickets (the "returned" tickets must be equally distributed among the remaining teams, based on requests by the visiting teams).
Example 1:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. If teams A, B and C want all the tickets they can get, then each will receive 100 additional tickets.
Example 2:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. Teams A and B want all the tickets they can get, but team C requests only 50 additional tickets. Therefore, team C gets 50 of the 300 remaining tickets, and teams A and B are given equal portions of the remaining allotment (125 each).
5. The host must be notified by 3 p.m. (local time of the host) on the first day of competition of the additionally offered tickets that will not be used by the visiting teams.

Stevens Point Sectional Ticket Policy

So, how does it work if they consider all games separate?  50/50?  If they don't sell their allotment, are they given to the other school in that specific game or split among the other three teams, the other playing in the game and the teams in the other game?

I don't have an answer to this, as it's not specifically covered in the Handbook.  The Friday split session is an exception to the standard policy:

Tickets shall be for all sessions for a single day, unless the men's basketball committee approves a plan for split session tickets.

Because it's only considered an exceptional circumstance, the procedures for what to do in the event of the exception are not spelled out.

St. John Fisher is also holding a split session Friday.  Wooster, which plays JCU in the first game, has announced a pre-sale of 450 tickets.  Fisher's Varsity Gym has a capacity of 1200.  Putting these two seemingly unrelated numbers together, I'd guess that the tickets for the first "neutral-site" game are split 50/50, and Wooster has reserved its first 150 tickets for VIPs such as players' parents and Posting Up Hall of Famers faculty/staff etc.  But that doesn't seem quite fair to the visiting team in the second game (Brockport St. for us, Wash U. for you), who probably only receive 1/3 of the capacity (at Fisher, that's 400 tickets) with the home team reserving 2/3, so I'm not sure of the arrangement. 

What I am sure of it is that it ameliorates the "big crowd, small gym" problem Fisher is facing.

[jagluski]

Things will, or should, be the same, as per the NCAA's policy:

Four-team Sites: Day One–Two games
1. Home team will receive one-half of available seating. The remaining half of available seating will be equally distributed in terms of number and location among the three visiting teams.
2. Each section should have its own clearly identifiable tickets (separate color than home supporters, other visiting supporters or walk-up tickets)
3. Visiting teams must notify the host institution in writing (via fax) of any of its ticket allotment it has not sold by:
• First- and second-round sites: Thursday, March 1, noon (local time of the host institution);
• Sectional sites: Thursday, March 8, noon (local time of the host institution);
• If the host is not notified by the visiting team by the prescribed times, the visiting team shall be financially accountable for its total ticket allotment.
4. The host institutions must notify the other visiting teams by 3 p.m. of that same day, of their opportunity to purchase additional tickets (the "returned" tickets must be equally distributed among the remaining teams, based on requests by the visiting teams).
Example 1:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. If teams A, B and C want all the tickets they can get, then each will receive 100 additional tickets.
Example 2:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. Teams A and B want all the tickets they can get, but team C requests only 50 additional tickets. Therefore, team C gets 50 of the 300 remaining tickets, and teams A and B are given equal portions of the remaining allotment (125 each).
5. The host must be notified by 3 p.m. (local time of the host) on the first day of competition of the additionally offered tickets that will not be used by the visiting teams.

Stevens Point Sectional Ticket Policy

So, how does it work if they consider all games separate?  50/50?  If they don't sell their allotment, are they given to the other school in that specific game or split among the other three teams, the other playing in the game and the teams in the other game?

I don't have an answer to this, as it's not specifically covered in the Handbook.  The Friday split session is an exception to the standard policy:

Tickets shall be for all sessions for a single day, unless the men's basketball committee approves a plan for split session tickets.

Because it's only considered an exceptional circumstance, the procedures for what to do in the event of the exception are not spelled out.

St. John Fisher is also holding a split session Friday.  Wooster, which plays JCU in the first game, has announced a pre-sale of 450 tickets.  Fisher's Varsity Gym has a capacity of 1200.  Putting these two seemingly unrelated numbers together, I'd guess that the tickets for the first "neutral-site" game are split 50/50, and Wooster has reserved its first 150 tickets for VIPs such as players' parents and Posting Up Hall of Famers faculty/staff etc.  But that doesn't seem quite fair to the visiting team in the second game (Brockport St. for us, Wash U. for you), who probably only receive 1/3 of the capacity (at Fisher, that's 400 tickets) with the home team reserving 2/3, so I'm not sure of the arrangement. 

What I am sure of it is that it ameliorates the "big crowd, small gym" problem Fisher is facing.

From the UWSP website announcing this policy (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/06-07/NCAAsectionaltickets.htm), it looks like each team is only being given tickets to the game they are playing in.

[Pat Coleman]

I agree, that's definitely how this reads.

[Greek Tragedy]

I read it that way too, basically, I guess.  I do anticipate plenty of tickets available come Friday...

But my point was, does Hope get 1400 and Washington U. get 1400 (just saying out of 2800) and then if Washington U. returns tickets, does Hope get first dibs on those returned tickets?  Or, as per NCAA policy in the non-exception part, do the two other schools share equally with Hope on Washington U.'s returned tickets.  I understand Hope travels well, but I don't see them selling 1400! lol.

[David Collinge]

Yeah, um, I guess I've lost whatever ability I had to explain myself.  Yes, I think it is clear from the published policies and from the Handbook that the schools in the split sessions only get tickets for their own game and not the other one.  The question I was trying to respond to was about how many tickets they get. 

OS, I assume that in the split session, the rules about two-team sessions more or less apply; that if team A returns some of their allotment, team B gets the first crack at them, and any left go to general admission.  The confusing part is that the Handbook assumes that one of the two teams will be the home team (and thus entitled to 2/3 of the the tickets).  In the first game of a split session night, there is no home team, and judging from Wooster's allotment, I'm guessing that the split is 50/50 rather than 67/33. 

[Greek Tragedy]

What I am sure of it is that it ameliorates the "big crowd, small gym" problem Fisher is facing.

Like Lawrence...but those were all general admission, "sit where ever you can find a seat" tickets.  It was mess.  I mean, they had the LU student section, the "for LU" fans, the "for IWU" fans and then the "everyone else who can't fit in those areas" areas.  Guess where we got stuck, even though we were there for the first one?  

Point, for your information, is all reserved seating, so it won't be a bum rush to get back to your seat.