2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

pat i like traveling just fine if its worth the effort (although thanks to Obama gas is now $3.50 a gallon, a record for this time of year, and traveling 350 miles at 2.20 is different than traveling at 3.50). 

A lot of teams got hosed.  some deservedly, some not.  my point as it is for all levels of bball, teams that win both the reg season AND conf tournament should be rewarded. 

[pbrooks3]

I am sure the low totem pole is being factored in here for Centre.  614 miles means airfare and I see this as unlikely. 

NW, I only get 488 miles from Centre to Concordia using the NCAA's travel calculator.

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

I'm happy going to Marietta.  Sure didn't like the idea of heading to Wisconsin.

[rams1102]

I think the NJAC has a chance to get 2 teams to the Sweet 16. The last I remember was Montclair and Ramapo in 2003 and Ramapo beat Montclair to get to the Elite 8.

I was surprise at all the press Kean was getting. Montclair beat Ramapo at home in the NJAC Tournament and had a better record (20-7) then Kean. I could not figure it out (maybe SOS), but I'm sure someone will fill me in.

That being said, when do the ECAC bids come out? I would like to see Montclair and Kean play each other.

[carletonsid]

It's extremely hard to see this committee simply ignore it's own stated criteria. I can handle UT-Dallas over Carleton, but how in the heck IWU with it's meager .692 in-region win percentage and 2-2 record against regionally-ranked foes made it over Carleton, well I'll go to my grave believing that the Knights got hosed. What a pile of you-know-what.

[Ralph Turner]

I am sure the low totem pole is being factored in here for Centre.  614 miles means airfare and I see this as unlikely.  

NW, I only get 488 miles from Centre to Concordia using the NCAA's travel calculator.

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

I'm happy going to Marietta.  Sure didn't like the idea of heading to Wisconsin.

Marietta is a fair draw for Centre.

[algernon]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in 

like OMG, totally!!

What's that about?? How does IWU get in and EMU doesn't???  That is nutty.

[David Collinge]

Some potential sectional final matchups, all look intriguing:

Whitworth at Wooster
Amherst at Williams
Augustana at UWSP
RMC at Middlebury

[Mr. Ypsi]

Illinois Wesleyan gets in.

How did IWU get in over Eastern Mennonite?

The committee doesn't like losing in the semis over teams that get beat by 50 in the final.

Now, be fair - it was less than half that!  And they beat Augie just 4 days before.

HF's post isn't about IWU, Ypsi.

I don't follow.  He was responding to a post comparing EMU and IWU.  EMU lost in the semi; IWU was blown-out in the final.  I assumed he was just exaggerating the scale of the blow-out.

[Ralph Turner]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in  

like OMG, totally!!

What's that about?? How does IWU get in and EMU doesn't???  That is nutty.

EMU fell below UMHB and UTDallas in the South Regional Rankings.  Therefore EMU was not on the table.

[Ethelred the Unready]

No RUST???  WTF?!?!

[Greek Tragedy]

I'M MISSING A POOL C TEAM, HELP ME OUT.  I HAVE 17 OF 18.


Atlantic Region
1 POOL C Ramapo 19-3 20-5 (NJAC):  LOST to Montclair State 67-64 in semis  
3 Kean 17-5 18-7 (NJAC):  LOST to NJCU 75-61 in semis
4 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 18-5 20-5 (SKY):  BEAT Mount Saint Vincent 68-60, BEAT Mount Saint Mary 78-75 OT in semis; LOST to SUNY-Purchase 81-66 in final
5 Mount Saint Mary 18-7 18-7 (SKY):  LOST to St. Joseph's (L.I.) 78-75 OT in semis


East Region
1 POOL C Oswego State 22-3 22-3 (SUNYAC):  BEAT Potsdam State 64-50 in quarterfinals, LOST Brockport State 74-70 in semis
2 POOL C Ithaca 19-5 20-5  (E8):  LOST to St. John Fisher 88-75 in semis
4 Stevens 19-6 19-6 (E8):  LOST to Hartwick 76-73 in semis
5 Hobart 19-5 19-6 (LL):  LOST to Hamilton 62-60 in semis

Great Lakes Region
3 POOL C Penn State-Behrend 22-2 22-3 (AMCC):  BEAT Medaille 58-51 in semis; LOST to La Roche 55-53 in final  
5 Thiel 15-3 18-6 (PrAC):  BEAT Waynesburg 73-63 in quarterfinals, BEAT Thomas More 78-65 in semis; LOST to Bethany 74-67 in final
6 Wabash 18-5 19-5 (NCAC):  BEAT Kenyon 72-61 in quarterfinals, LOST to Wittenberg 65-63 in semis

POOL C **Wittenberg:  LOST to Wooster in NCAC Final


Middle Atlantic Region
4 POOL C Gwynedd-Mercy 19-4 20-5 (CSAC):  BEAT Keystone 85-65 in semis, LOST to Cabrini 92-70 in final
5 Keystone 21-5 21-5 (CSAC):  LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy 85-65 in semis
6 Lebanon Valley 17-6 19-6 (MACC):  BEAT Widener 58-56 in semis, LOST to Alvernia in final 57-55  
8 DeSales 16-7 18-7 (MACF): BEAT Misericordia 78-69 in semis, LOST to Delaware Valley 79-58 in final
9 Wesley 15-5 16-9 (CAC):  BEAT Salisbury 75-74 in semis; LOST to St. Mary's (Md.) 97-65 in final


Midwest Region
1 POOL C Concordia (Wis.) 20-2 22-3 (NATH):   LOST to Edgewood 95-89 in semis  
4 POOL C Hanover 18-6 18-6 (HCAC):  BEAT Anderson 62-50 in semis; LOST to Manchester 79-69 in final
5 Anderson 15-7 17-8 (HCAC):  BEAT Bluffton 75-60 in quarterfinals; LOST to Hanover 62-50 in semis
6 Milwaukee Engineering 18-6 19-6 (NATH):  LOST to Aurora 72-67 in quarterfinals

POOL C**Illinois Wesleyan:  LOST to Augustana in CCIW Final  
**Edgewood:  LOST to Benedictine in NATH Final


Northeast Region
1 POOL C Williams 21-1 23-1 (NESCAC): BEAT Trinity (Conn.) in semis 79-69; LOST Middlebury 63-54 in final  
3 POOL C WPI 21-3 21-4 (NEWMAC): BEAT Coast Guard 62-51 in semis; LOST MIT in final
4 POOL C Becker 22-3 22-3 (NECC):  BEAT Newbury 84-75 in semis; LOST Elms 79-65 in final  
5 POOL C Amherst 21-2 22-2 (NESCAC):  LOST to Middlebury 67-61 in semis
6 POOL C Western Connecticut State 20-4 21-4 (LEC):  LOST Eastern Connecticut State 94-70 in semis
9 Eastern Connecticut State 15-7 17-8 (LEC):  BEAT Western Connecticut State 94-70 in semis; LOST to Rhode Island College 62-49 in final  
10 Brandeis 16-8 16-8 (UAA):  LOST to NYU 70-54
11 Roger Williams 17-8 17-8 (CCC):  LOST to Endicott 71-68 in CCC quarterfinals


South Region
1 POOL C Virginia Wesleyan 20-3 22-3 (ODAC):  BEAT Washington and Lee 98-78  in quarterfinals; LOST to Randolph 80-76 in semis
3 POOL C Texas-Dallas 19-4 20-5 (ASC):  BEAT Concordia (Texas) 85-70 in quarterfinals; LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor 77-69 in semis
4 Ferrum 18-4 21-4 (USAC):  BEAT Christopher Newport 87-81 in semis; LOST to North Carolina Wesleyan 74-70 OT in final  
5 Eastern Mennonite 15-4 21-4 (ODAC):  BEAT Hampden-Sydney 76-75 in quarterfinals; LOST to Randolph-Macon 90-79 in semis
7 POOL C Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-6 19-6 (ASC): BEAT Texas-Tyler 73-68 in quarterfinals; BEAT Texas-Dallas 77-69 in semis; LOST McMurry 72-65 in ASC final    
8 Emory 18-5 19-5 (UAA):  BEAT Rochester 83-72


West Region
5 Carleton 18-5 18-7 (MIAC):  LOST to Gustavus Adolphus 70-64 in semis
6 POOL C UW-River Falls 17-5 19-6 (WIAC):  BEAT Platteville 69-60 in semis; LOST Stevens Point 79-56 in final
7 Whitman 13-5 18-7 (NWC):  BEAT Lewis and Clark 79-76 in semis; LOST to Whitworth 74-50 in final
8 Lewis and Clark 12-5 18-7 (NWC):  LOST to Whitman 79-76 in semis
9 UW-Whitewater 16-8 17-8 (WIAC):  LOST to Superior 78-72 in quarterfinals

[Mr. Ypsi]

Tom, with all the brouhaha about IWU getting in, how could you not notice the missing C?

[algernon]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in 

like OMG, totally!!

One game between the ASC and the ODAC this year .... McMurry was soundly beaten by the ODAC's #4 team, Guilford.

The ODAC takes 3 teams to the Elite Eight last year but only gets 2 teams into the tournament.  I'm not sure what the ASC did in the tournament last year, but they have 3 teams in the tournament.

Someone on the committee should have been looking hard at the fact that EMU had to play a Final Four team that brought its entire starting lineup 3 times this year!  The Royals lost three times to Randolph-Macon (each time by 5-11 points), and that produced a total of 5 losses.  Although they soundly beat Virginia Wesleyan the only time the two teams played, beat a 5-loss Ferrum College team, and defeated a Guilford team (twice) that was good enough to beat McMurry by 15 points ..... Someone on the NCAA committee was out to lunch when they put in 3 teams from the ASC and left EMU -- the ODAC's 3rd team -- sitting on the sidelines with a 22-5 record, with 3 of the losses to Randolph-Macon.

[frodotwo]

Just as I was about to hit the enter button..................IWU

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Illinois Wesleyan gets in.

How did IWU get in over Eastern Mennonite?

The committee doesn't like losing in the semis over teams that get beat by 50 in the final.

Now, be fair - it was less than half that!  And they beat Augie just 4 days before.

HF's post isn't about IWU, Ypsi.

I don't follow.  He was responding to a post comparing EMU and IWU.  EMU lost in the semi; IWU was blown-out in the final.  I assumed he was just exaggerating the scale of the blow-out.

I made a mistake.  VWC lost in the semis to the team that got blown out in the final.  I was thinking that was EMU, which would explain their fall through the ranks.