2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

[Greek Tragedy]

DUH.  I was just looking at my list!  Thanks.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'M MISSING A POOL C TEAM, HELP ME OUT.  I HAVE 17 OF 18.


Atlantic Region
1 POOL C Ramapo 19-3 20-5 (NJAC):  LOST to Montclair State 67-64 in semis 
3 Kean 17-5 18-7 (NJAC):  LOST to NJCU 75-61 in semis
4 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 18-5 20-5 (SKY):  BEAT Mount Saint Vincent 68-60, BEAT Mount Saint Mary 78-75 OT in semis; LOST to SUNY-Purchase 81-66 in final
5 Mount Saint Mary 18-7 18-7 (SKY):  LOST to St. Joseph's (L.I.) 78-75 OT in semis


East Region
1 POOL C Oswego State 22-3 22-3 (SUNYAC):  BEAT Potsdam State 64-50 in quarterfinals, LOST Brockport State 74-70 in semis
2 POOL C Ithaca 19-5 20-5  (E8):  LOST to St. John Fisher 88-75 in semis
4 Stevens 19-6 19-6 (E8):  LOST to Hartwick 76-73 in semis
5 Hobart 19-5 19-6 (LL):  LOST to Hamilton 62-60 in semis

Great Lakes Region
3 POOL C Penn State-Behrend 22-2 22-3 (AMCC):  BEAT Medaille 58-51 in semis; LOST to La Roche 55-53 in final 
5 Thiel 15-3 18-6 (PrAC):  BEAT Waynesburg 73-63 in quarterfinals, BEAT Thomas More 78-65 in semis; LOST to Bethany 74-67 in final
6 Wabash 18-5 19-5 (NCAC):  BEAT Kenyon 72-61 in quarterfinals, LOST to Wittenberg 65-63 in semis

POOL C **Wittenberg:  LOST to Wooster in NCAC Final


Middle Atlantic Region
4 POOL C Gwynedd-Mercy 19-4 20-5 (CSAC):  BEAT Keystone 85-65 in semis, LOST to Cabrini 92-70 in final
5 Keystone 21-5 21-5 (CSAC):  LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy 85-65 in semis
6 Lebanon Valley 17-6 19-6 (MACC):  BEAT Widener 58-56 in semis, LOST to Alvernia in final 57-55 
8 DeSales 16-7 18-7 (MACF): BEAT Misericordia 78-69 in semis, LOST to Delaware Valley 79-58 in final
9 Wesley 15-5 16-9 (CAC):  BEAT Salisbury 75-74 in semis; LOST to St. Mary's (Md.) 97-65 in final


Midwest Region
1 POOL C Concordia (Wis.) 20-2 22-3 (NATH):  LOST to Edgewood 95-89 in semis 
4 POOL C Hanover 18-6 18-6 (HCAC):  BEAT Anderson 62-50 in semis; LOST to Manchester 79-69 in final
5 Anderson 15-7 17-8 (HCAC):  BEAT Bluffton 75-60 in quarterfinals; LOST to Hanover 62-50 in semis
6 Milwaukee Engineering 18-6 19-6 (NATH):  LOST to Aurora 72-67 in quarterfinals
 
**Edgewood:  LOST to Benedictine in NATH Final


Northeast Region
1 POOL C Williams 21-1 23-1 (NESCAC): BEAT Trinity (Conn.) in semis 79-69; LOST Middlebury 63-54 in final 
3 POOL C WPI 21-3 21-4 (NEWMAC): BEAT Coast Guard 62-51 in semis; LOST MIT in final
4 POOL C Becker 22-3 22-3 (NECC):  BEAT Newbury 84-75 in semis; LOST Elms 79-65 in final 
5 POOL C Amherst 21-2 22-2 (NESCAC):  LOST to Middlebury 67-61 in semis
6 POOL C Western Connecticut State 20-4 21-4 (LEC):  LOST Eastern Connecticut State 94-70 in semis
9 Eastern Connecticut State 15-7 17-8 (LEC):  BEAT Western Connecticut State 94-70 in semis; LOST to Rhode Island College 62-49 in final   
10 Brandeis 16-8 16-8 (UAA):  LOST to NYU 70-54
11 Roger Williams 17-8 17-8 (CCC):  LOST to Endicott 71-68 in CCC quarterfinals


South Region
1 POOL C Virginia Wesleyan 20-3 22-3 (ODAC):  BEAT Washington and Lee 98-78  in quarterfinals; LOST to Randolph 80-76 in semis
3 POOL C Texas-Dallas 19-4 20-5 (ASC):   BEAT Concordia (Texas) 85-70 in quarterfinals; LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor 77-69 in semis
4 Ferrum 18-4 21-4 (USAC):  BEAT Christopher Newport 87-81 in semis; LOST to North Carolina Wesleyan 74-70 OT in final 
5 Eastern Mennonite 15-4 21-4 (ODAC):   BEAT Hampden-Sydney 76-75 in quarterfinals; LOST to Randolph-Macon 90-79 in semis
7 POOL C Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-6 19-6 (ASC): BEAT Texas-Tyler 73-68 in quarterfinals; BEAT Texas-Dallas 77-69 in semis; LOST McMurry 72-65 in ASC final   
8 Emory 18-5 19-5 (UAA):  BEAT Rochester 83-72


West Region
5 Carleton 18-5 18-7 (MIAC):  LOST to Gustavus Adolphus 70-64 in semis
6 POOL C UW-River Falls 17-5 19-6 (WIAC):  BEAT Platteville 69-60 in semis; LOST Stevens Point 79-56 in final
7 Whitman 13-5 18-7 (NWC):  BEAT Lewis and Clark 79-76 in semis; LOST to Whitworth 74-50 in final
8 Lewis and Clark 12-5 18-7 (NWC):  LOST to Whitman 79-76 in semis
9 UW-Whitewater 16-8 17-8 (WIAC):  LOST to Superior 78-72 in quarterfinals

I hope this was a joke.  If so, quite funny.

[Ralph Turner]

IWU

Late.

[John Gleich]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in 

like OMG, totally!!

One game between the ASC and the ODAC this year .... McMurry was soundly beaten by the ODAC's #4 team, Guilford.

The ODAC takes 3 teams to the Elite Eight last year but only gets 2 teams into the tournament.  I'm not sure what the ASC did in the tournament last year, but they have 3 teams in the tournament.

Someone on the committee should have been looking hard at the fact that EMU had to play a Final Four team that brought its entire starting lineup 3 times this year!  The Royals lost three times to Randolph-Macon (each time by 5-11 points), and that produced a total of 5 losses.  Although they soundly beat Virginia Wesleyan the only time the two teams played, beat a 5-loss Ferrum College team, and defeated a Guilford team (twice) that was good enough to beat McMurry by 15 points ..... Someone on the NCAA committee was out to lunch when they put in 3 teams from the ASC and left EMU -- the ODAC's 3rd team -- sitting on the sidelines with a 22-5 record, with 3 of the losses to Randolph-Macon.

Unfortunately, few if any of the reasons you cited are criteria for bids.

[nwhoops1903]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in  

like OMG, totally!!

One game between the ASC and the ODAC this year .... McMurry was soundly beaten by the ODAC's #4 team, Guilford.

The ODAC takes 3 teams to the Elite Eight last year but only gets 2 teams into the tournament.  I'm not sure what the ASC did in the tournament last year, but they have 3 teams in the tournament.

Someone on the committee should have been looking hard at the fact that EMU had to play a Final Four team that brought its entire starting lineup 3 times this year!  The Royals lost three times to Randolph-Macon (each time by 5-11 points), and that produced a total of 5 losses.  Although they soundly beat Virginia Wesleyan the only time the two teams played, beat a 5-loss Ferrum College team, and defeated a Guilford team (twice) that was good enough to beat McMurry by 15 points ..... Someone on the NCAA committee was out to lunch when they put in 3 teams from the ASC and left EMU -- the ODAC's 3rd team -- sitting on the sidelines with a 22-5 record, with 3 of the losses to Randolph-Macon.

Unfortunately, few if any of the reasons you cited are criteria for bids.

Is it now a certainty that EMU fell below MHB in the South region final regional rankings?  Yep.     OH looky there...What Ralph said.   

[Will2Win]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in  

like OMG, totally!!

What's that about?? How does IWU get in and EMU doesn't???  That is nutty.

EMU fell below UMHB and UTDallas in the South Regional Rankings.  Therefore EMU was not on the table.

And you're telling me you believe EMU isnt worthy of being in ahead of some of the previously stated teams???
This whole regional ranking BS may be as bad as D1-A's BCS system

[Pat Coleman]

Ill Wesleyan gets in and EMU is left home.....come on now!
Region records this, region records that....no way EMU should be watching this tourney from home, 3 of their 5 losses come at the hands of a RMC team that has all the pieces to win a National Championship( Not to mention they returned 7 Sr's from last season's Final Four team)!!!

Wow, Unreal!!!
Selection committee blew that one...

Not who you lost to but who you beat. Penn State-Beaver, Lancaster Bible ...

[Pat Coleman]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in  

like OMG, totally!!

What's that about?? How does IWU get in and EMU doesn't???  That is nutty.

EMU fell below UMHB and UTDallas in the South Regional Rankings.  Therefore EMU was not on the table.

And you're telling me you believe EMU isnt worthy of being in ahead of some of the previously stated teams???
This whole regional ranking BS may be as bad as D1-A's BCS system

Well, the system hasn't changed in that regard in six years.

[TheSportsFan]

Wow, IWU gets in?  AND gets to play against a team that isn't hosting in the opening round (UW-River Falls).

Seeing that travel isn't different either way, surprised that they didn't send IWU to Concordia to play Concordia and send Luther to UST to play UW River Falls.

Luther ranks higher than IWU on my board, and was placed lower

[Ralph Turner]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in  

like OMG, totally!!

One game between the ASC and the ODAC this year .... McMurry was soundly beaten by the ODAC's #4 team, Guilford.The ODAC takes 3 teams to the Elite Eight last year but only gets 2 teams into the tournament.  I'm not sure what the ASC did in the tournament last year, but they have 3 teams in the tournament.

Someone on the committee should have been looking hard at the fact that EMU had to play a Final Four team that brought its entire starting lineup 3 times this year!  The Royals lost three times to Randolph-Macon (each time by 5-11 points), and that produced a total of 5 losses.  Although they soundly beat Virginia Wesleyan the only time the two teams played, beat a 5-loss Ferrum College team, and defeated a Guilford team (twice) that was good enough to beat McMurry by 15 points ..... Someone on the NCAA committee was out to lunch when they put in 3 teams from the ASC and left EMU -- the ODAC's 3rd team -- sitting on the sidelines with a 22-5 record, with 3 of the losses to Randolph-Macon.

A point of information,

The McMurry team lost to Guilford in Coach Matt Garnett's second game as head coach! By the time that the team, with all of the new players, figured out who was who, they had begun to play up to their potential.  They lost to D1 SMU by 3 at home in late December.  

One starter from the SMU loss quit over Christmas and but this is the team that is playing in the NCAA's.  Between Guilford and McMurry, McMurry picks up the "ASC West Player of the Year" Derrick Sumpter.

SMU Box Score, 67-70 loss

McMurry was never regionally ranked.  They are the "upset" winners in the ASC.  UMHB and UTD were regionally ranked mulitple times.  They moved over EMU in the minds of the Regional Committee over the last weekend.

[Will2Win]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in  

like OMG, totally!!

What's that about?? How does IWU get in and EMU doesn't???  That is nutty.

EMU fell below UMHB and UTDallas in the South Regional Rankings.  Therefore EMU was not on the table.

And you're telling me you believe EMU isnt worthy of being in ahead of some of the previously stated teams???
This whole regional ranking BS may be as bad as D1-A's BCS system

Well, the system hasn't changed in that regard in six years.

I understand that...just think it's flawed but what system isnt....I guess i'm just an unhappy fan since my team didnt make it and I for one know they're better than half the field that's still standing.

[frodotwo]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in  

like OMG, totally!!

What's that about?? How does IWU get in and EMU doesn't???  That is nutty.

EMU fell below UMHB and UTDallas in the South Regional Rankings.  Therefore EMU was not on the table.

And you're telling me you believe EMU isnt worthy of being in ahead of some of the previously stated teams???
This whole regional ranking BS may be as bad as D1-A's BCS system

Region W-L       Reg OWL  Reg OOWL Reg SOS   W-L vs Reg Ranked
East. Mennonite 16-5-0( 0.762)    0.484        0.529      0.499      2-3-0  ( 0.400)

Mary Hardin-Bay 21-7-0( 0.750)    0.518        0.488     0.508      3-1-0   ( 0.750)

McMurry            20-6-0( 0.769)     0.518        0.509     0.515      3-2-0  ( 0.600)

Texas-Dallas      20-5-0( 0.800)     0.483        0.489     0.485      2-2-0  ( 0.500)

http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=MBB&region=25&division=3

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

overall, looking at the entire bracket, it looks like the NCAA used the pod formula in determining first round matchups, then said, for the sake of competition, lets move some pods around.  The cabrini pod doesnt fit, but then again no pod would really fit there.  Earlier today, i did a 10 minute cheat sheet breaking up four key regions:

WEST
MIDWEST/SOUTH
MidAtlantic/NJ/NY
Northeast

The NCAA, for the most part, stayed true on the West.  There are 5 west pods (whitworth and the entire McMurray bracket).  There are two distinct MWS pods (marietta and wooster), and three midatlantic pods (cabrini, stmarys and ramapo).  the last bracket though, which of course is the one my team is in, is all over the map.  The oswego pod is a travel nightmare.  Scranton has a hike, then theres my PA v Southern Methodist clustermess.  

[nwhoops1903]

Did the ASC really just get three teams in  

like OMG, totally!!

What's that about?? How does IWU get in and EMU doesn't???  That is nutty.

EMU fell below UMHB and UTDallas in the South Regional Rankings.  Therefore EMU was not on the table.

And you're telling me you believe EMU isnt worthy of being in ahead of some of the previously stated teams???
This whole regional ranking BS may be as bad as D1-A's BCS system

Well, the system hasn't changed in that regard in six years.

I understand that...just think it's flawed but what system isnt....I guess i'm just an unhappy fan since my team didnt make it and I for one know they're better than half the field that's still standing.

The next top 25 poll will likely prove you correct.  There are plenty of EMU fans throughout the country.  Unfortunately they didn't get the job done "IN REGION" as frodotwo displays.  

[nescac1]

I think the four brackets are as balanced as I can recall.  Whitworth and Wooster in one, Williams, Amherst, VWU in a second, Stevens Point, Augustana, St. Thomas in a third, and Middlebury and Randolph-Macon in the fourth ... sets up at least the possibility of an Elite Eight with all top-ten caliber teams, which is pretty unusual.  It seems like most years there is a top-notch team with an easy path to the Final Four, but not this year, although I do like the chances of Amherst (despite playing on the road), Whitworth, Augustana, and Midd to make the Elite Eight. 

I agree that EMU got the shaft.  An elite eight team, with everyone back, who puts up a fairly guady record in a top-four conference, without any really bad losses, they should be in for sure.